Mandatory EV's... so where will we put all the gasoline and diesel?

a reply to: godsovein
No, the stuff that was going to be produced as gasoline and diesel is turned into other products.

a reply to: 1947boomer

There are presently only 563000 EVs in California out of a total of 17.7 million cars, and even such few EVs ARE disturbing the existing electrical network to the point of requiring no charging during the day.

Can you figure out what will happen to the grid once EVs reach 5 million cars, never mind 17.7 million ?

You are illogical in the face of facts right in front of you, in absolute denial.

California is so unprepared there is not even talks going on for mere proposals to build new power lines AND POWER PLANTS that will be essential and take a decade or more to permit and build.


I am an Engineer btw and definitely much more knowledgeable, and logical, about it than you are.

Deny ignorance

a reply to: daskakik

So we're back on that.

Okay.

The benzene and so on that ends up in petroleum formulation, versus the 'and so on' that ends up as plastics precursors, you're convinced that the amount of that we'd need for plastics, that we happen to get tons of leftover from all the gasoline & diesel we need currently, in my impression, nope we turn off needing it as fuel and just as plastics, that 99% or whatever precisely is currently utilized, would still be the same if we were pumping it just for plastics and asphalt type uses? It'd all get used, ZERO waste?

originally posted by: godsovein
The benzene and so on that ends up in petroleum formulation, versus the 'and so on' that ends up as plastics precursors, you're convinced that the amount of that we'd need for plastics, that we happen to get tons of leftover from all the gasoline & diesel we need currently, in my impression, nope we turn off needing it as fuel and just as plastics, that 99% or whatever precisely is currently utilized, would still be the same if we were pumping it just for plastics and asphalt type uses? It'd all get used, ZERO waste?

There is never zero waste, it just wouldn't end up being a bunch of diesel and gas left over, as your OP assumes.

ETA: That graph you posted shows the percentages the industry makes, not what exists in the crude.

a reply to: daskakik

Right now there's no waste because majority per barrel goes to gasoline, diesel, kerosene, fuel oil etc. Strip those from the demands per barrel (is the idea here right), and still utilize the asphalt roofing tar sealcoat... and there still wouldn't be any waste like there is today? ALL of what would have been gas etc WOULD be still be utilizable for plastics carpet and so on?

How easy is it to just say "yes". I'll bet there's not a doubt in your mind, but from what authority here?

originally posted by: godsovein
Strip those from the demands per barrel (is the idea here right), and still utilize the asphalt roofing tar sealcoat... and there still wouldn't be any waste like there is today?

How easy is it to just say "yes". I'll bet there's not a doubt in your mind, but from what authority here?

You seem to have a problem grasping how things work. Here is a bit from wiki

The alkanes from pentane (C5H12) to octane (C8H18) are refined into gasoline, the ones from nonane (C9H20) to hexadecane (C16H34) into diesel fuel, kerosene and jet fuel. Alkanes with more than 16 carbon atoms can be refined into fuel oil and lubricating oil. At the heavier end of the range, paraffin wax is an alkane with approximately 25 carbon atoms, while asphalt has 35 and up, although these are usually cracked by modern refineries into more valuable products.

Notice how the stuff that could be used as roofing tar can be turned into other stuff?

Logically, if that is done, there is no significant amount of asphalt left over. The same would happen if the precursors of diesel and gas are used to make other products.

ETA: Also notice that there isn't a specific amount of gasoline and/or diesel in the barrel. They are alkanes that get turned into those things.

originally posted by: godsovein
What say you mandatory EV proponents?

It's like everything else in life. Everything not forbidden is mandatory. So the EV charging station is credit card only, subject to a social credit score, and the vehicle is electronically registered with each charge. There's a warrant check for the owners and registered drivers and a hot vehicle check for any vehicles that may have been reported stolen or parked illegally, all coordinated at the local police station, or DHS fusion center. And if you're so many miles or more out of town from your registered home address, the cops are authorized to stop you for a mandatory BAC test and drug panel, and issue speeding or lane change or signaling tickets at will, and whether the driver is authorized to carry minors as passengers or if this would be considered kidnapping or statutory rape.