Mandatory EV's... so where will we put all the gasoline and diesel?

a reply to: TDDAgain

Yeah, lots of different oil types.


Here’s a link if you’re interested.

kimray.com...

a reply to: godsovein

The Globalists/Elitists will still fly in their private jets that are based on diesel.

a reply to: TDDAgain



Finally figured out how to upload, and added it to my op.

Every way I've ever read it its all or nothing type of thing. We want acetone and plastics, gotta sift out all the other stuff to get to them.

a reply to: godsovein
I saw you updated the OP.

I was not aware that stuff like plastic is made from inside the refinery chain, I thought there is second parallel process to get from crude oil directly to the "other products".

a reply to: Bluntone22
Thank you too, already began reading through it the minute you posted

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Bluntone22

Prices will triple..

I think that's the idea.

I've often thought the best way to get rid of something is not to ban it but to make it more expensive...

That is why the left doesn't care about high gas prices. It makes the economics of EV card more palatable for the common man. EVs don't make sense financially for most people as long as gas is cheap.

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: godsovein

Thought things through ?

Right now, TODAY, even the staunchest proponents of EV in California have to ask EV drivers to reduce recharging at peak times because the electrical grid cannot handle even the CURRENT small percentage of EVs.
By definition, leftists are morons.

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From September 2:

"As California heads into a third Flex Alert in as many days Friday, the power grid operator that issues them is encouraging electric vehicle owners to charge their vehicles before 4 p.m. or after 9 p.m. On exceptionally hot days like Los Angeles is currently experiencing, when so many people are running air conditioners, conservation is critical to ensuring enough electricity is available to prevent rolling blackouts.
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As California works to meet its goal of transitioning all new passenger vehicle sales to electrics by 2035, some skeptics are raising concerns about whether the state’s power grid is up to the task.

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The short answer is yes.

“Electric vehicles are expected to add only a small amount of demand onto the grid within the next decade,” a California Energy Commission spokesperson told Spectrum News 1 in a statement.

Every two years, the state’s main energy policy agency updates its ten-year forecast of electricity demand to help the state’s major power utilities plan for future needs, such as building new power plants, expanding transmission lines and increasing the distribution system to meet new demand.

According to the most recent forecast from 2021, electric vehicles would draw a maximum of 4% of California’s electricity supply even during peak demand.

The 4% electricity-use scenario presumes an aggressive EV adoption rate of 5.4 million light-duty electric vehicles and 193,000 medium- and heavy-duty electrics on the road in 2030. To date, 1.2 million electric vehicles have been sold in California."

From:

spectrumnews1.com...

As a California EV owner who has now lived through the last 3 abnormally hot summers, charging the car before 4 PM or after 9 PM has never been a problem.

Furthermore, the modern generation of EVs have the ability to supply several kilowatts back to the grid or to your house during hours of peak demand. They can basically serve as load levelers that charge up when power supply is not constrained and can feed some of it back to the grid during periods of peak demand. They can actually make the grid more resilient, not less.

So, yes, it's been thought through by engineers who run computer models on this and are, in all probability, more knowledgable than you are.

You can make petrol and diesel from used plastic.

It's not even hard people have done it in the garden



a reply to: TDDAgain

originally posted by: godsovein
Every way I've ever read it its all or nothing type of thing. We want acetone and plastics, gotta sift out all the other stuff to get to them.

I'm not sure that is accurate. That would be like saying a bag of flour contains a bundt cake, 10 muffins and a stack of pancakes and you have to make them all if you want any one of them.

Just because diesel and gasoline are two of the products produced it doesn't mean you couldn't take a barrel of crude and just make plastics with it.

Also, the alternatives to plastics from petroleum being developed would make even that unnecessary.

originally posted by: schuyler
What gasoline and diesel? If there were no gasoline or diesel engines, do you think crude would still be extracted? Do you think refineries would continue to produce it? Of course not, and like buggy whips and blacksmith shops, those products would gradually disappear. Look, I agree with some of the sentiments against EVs, but the actual question you asked is just silly.

I disagree.

Oil will still be drilled and us useless eaters will be blamed for it.

I'm assuming there will still be a use and market for gasoline just not on the same levels it's used now.

It's.like sugar and the human diet, your always going to have some but not so much that it kills you before you hit 50.

Everything is acceptable at a given level.



a reply to: daskakik

a reply to: daskakik

Gas etc are part of the composition of crude. Its in there. You want kerosene well first you have to isolate it from the other components in the crude. So why wouldn't you? We gonna pump the stuff we had better put it all to use, right? Otherwise what or where are we going to put it? Maybe hollow out a mountain?

originally posted by: godsovein
Gas etc are part of the composition of crude. Its in there.

No, it is a byproduct of the chemical changes (cracking) done to longer chains to make some of the other products.

For every gallon of diesel you get 2 of gasoline. If you don't turn the crude into diesel you don't have diesel or gasoline. It isn't like it is in the petroleum as either of those things.

a reply to: godsovein

Mandatory commerce on the citizens of the nation is actually unconstitutional, soo I can see states making laws like California for a decade from now, but when the time comes, is going to be a problem, the law sues will stop the laws in its track.

a reply to: daskakik

A "byproduct" eh?

So you're saying we can take a barrel and make it more or less all into kerosene, or plastics precursors?

originally posted by: godsovein
So you're saying we can take a barrel and make it more or less all into kerosene, or plastics precursors?

No, I'm saying that depending on what you make with it, a percentage will be left as a byproduct, like gasoline.

If you don't make that product then you will have neither.

Now, since there is a market for those two products, it just makes sense to make those two products. Why spend money breaking down something that can be sold as is. That doesn't mean they can't turn a whole barrel into plastic precursors, they just don't need to.

a reply to: daskakik

Right. So all that "byproduct" (that could have been gasoline), its leftover if you dont bother, right?

So where would we put all that if we're not supposed to use it as like 'gas'?

originally posted by: godsovein
Right. So all that "byproduct" (that could have been gasoline), its leftover if you dont bother, right?

No, if you don't make the kerosene or diesel there is no gasoline.

So where would we put all that if we're not supposed to use it as like 'gas'?

If you can't sell it as is, you crack it some more into smaller hydrocarbons like butane, propane or methane, which happen to be plastic precursors.

a reply to: godsovein

" Lets assume that mandatory Electric Vehicles is a feasible concept."

No , Let's Not . NEVER Going to Happen in the U.S. .

a reply to: daskakik

But if the gasoline and diesel isnt made, theres a bunch of stuff left over at the end, no?