Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DarthTrader

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DarthTrader

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DarthTrader

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
14 January Update

* Russian forces launched two waves of missile strikes targeting Ukrainian critical infrastructure on January 14.

* The Kremlin continues to falsely claim Ukraine poses an existential threat to Russia to reject Ukrainian offers of a peace summit and retain Putin’s original maximalist goals.

* Russian forces continued limited counterattacks along the Svatove-Kreminna line.

* Russian forces continued offensive operations around Soledar as well as in the Bakhmut and Avdiivka areas. Ukrainian forces are highly unlikely to still hold positions within the settlement of Soledar itself.

* Russian forces continued defensive operations and reinforced frontlines positions on the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast.

* Ukrainian partisan attacks continue to disrupt Russian rear security efforts.

More at URL above.

Cheers

Understanding War is just propaganda.

Meanwhile Russia takes Soledar, leaving Ukraine having lost all its salt industry, and Russia has already conquered 2/3rds of Ukraine's 3,000 tons of proven Gold reserves in the ground.

For how long?

Yes. Because Ukraine was so good at retaking Donbas and Crimea in the last 10 years...they'll win it this time!

Learn from Catherine the Great how Russia likes to dismantle nations. She's who conquered Ukraine the first time. And they were stronger and more nationalist then than now. Russia intends the full dismantling of Ukraine. It'll take 50 years like before.

Catherine II -- 2 May 1729 – 17 November 1796

It's 2023

You're clearly not a student of war. The best and current strategic doctrines used by modern militaries were developed in 1810 by Jomini.

Weapons change, but strategy and tactics rarely do.

Fighter pilots today still dog fight by the same principles of WW2 prop-planes.

War or politics?

Russia's tactics are clear. Throw everything you've got -- destroy infrastructure -- kill civilians -- leave no hope for those who survive.

We'll see if it works this time.

Russia isn't even fighting with 1/10th of its capabilities. Putin (wrongly) thought he could win the war on the cheap. That did make them look like imbeciles, but you can be certain Russia isn't even fighting with 1 finger, let alone two clenched fists.

They're basically just conducting a missile war while stabilizing a front from trenches with fewer soldiers than the US sent to Iraq.

originally posted by: Annee
WOW!

Someone ate the propaganda.

You just don't know much about this topic, I do. I'm not so biased that I can't understand when something like "Russia can't make tank parts" is just dumb western propaganda.

originally posted by: DarthTrader

It is the chronic disease of ignorance that's infested the western mind and is tedious and dispicable.

How do you rate Russia in this effort, and I really don't care about Russia or what they did, or not do.

originally posted by: DarthTrader

originally posted by: Annee
WOW!

Someone ate the propaganda.

You just don't know much about this topic, I do. I'm not so biased that I can't understand when something like "Russia can't make tank parts" is just dumb western propaganda.

I believe what is actually stated -- is "do they have the raw material?"

Not whether they have technical ability.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: DarthTrader

It is the chronic disease of ignorance that's infested the western mind and is tedious and dispicable.

How do you rate Russia in this effort, and I really don't care about Russia or what they did, or not do.

Russia's effort was completely idiotic. I don't know why except to think maybe Putin actually is a "nice guy" and thought he could do this surgically. I'm not a nice guy and will explain that in a second. I'm American trained and think like an American and have 30 years studying strategic issues. I can continually cite things like maintenance hours versus flight hours of various aircraft, or the expected sortie capabilities of different carriers, or the adhesive and composite curation times for various fighters, or even the performance capabilities of different nations rockets, their sensors, radar-size and power limitations, etc etc.

When I was asked what I thought Russia would do before the war started, I thought they'd stage in Brest, Belarus, and make a solid columnar attack to L'viv.

Why?

Because the Russian BTG is built for exactly that capability. A really hard hammerhead push and then dig in with fire-bases and support a trench/network of defense right along the NATO border.

The result of this would have been to COMPLETELY isolate Ukraine from all support from NATO and to just sit behind massive artillery lines and starve the Ukrainians into submission.

I honestly do not know what the f*** Putin thought by what they are currently doing. I think what they intended is to "test" all their combat systems in a dynamic war and to tease NATO equipment into Ukraine so they could capture it, reverse engineer it, and inform China what they're up against in a Taiwan invasion.

This could be giving them too much credit. They literally could just be moronic.

originally posted by: DarthTrader

I honestly do not know what the f*** Putin thought by what they are currently doing. I think what they intended is to "test" all their combat systems in a dynamic war and to tease NATO equipment into Ukraine so they could capture it, reverse engineer it, and inform China what they're up against in a Taiwan invasion.

This could be giving them too much credit. They literally could just be moronic.

So, being a history buff on war I assume you know that Russia's zero shots fired victories are basically seen as God level victories and I really think Putin thought this is how this war would go too, just like Crimea and Georga. Their first-time taking Crimea in 1783 was a zero-shot win for them, so they been on a roll in that area. They basically removed all the indigenous people in Crimea and turned it into their own Greek haven with the belief they are the descendances of Greece, and that is why Crimea is so important to them.

Seems to me NavyNut got replaced by DarkTrader.

originally posted by: DarthTrader
Russia isn't even fighting with 1/10th of its capabilities.

The only thing Russia has not deployed into Ukraine is nuclear weapons and chemical/biological agents. If that's the remaining 9/10ths of Russia's capabilities you are referring to, then you're correct.

The deployment of both forms of warfare would be a significant and terrible escalation. Nato have already warned that use of nuclear weapons would solicit a conventional response from them.

Unless you have another take on the remaining capabilities, Russia has not yet fielded? An as-yet secret death ray, perhaps?

So far, Russia has not conducted the campaign of conquest that they originally thought, and while it's a mistake to underestimate Russia, they clearly overestimated their own capabilities, as the thousands of dead Russians can testify.

Nato have already warned that use of nuclear weapons would solicit a conventional response from them.

Im sure that was really scary to Russia. Im not thinking they are going to mind a tactical nuclear conflict. Did everybody think it was automatically go to major attack option 1? I don't see the US striking population centers (option 2) ever either. Poland or France is my bet for first strike, but with all the different countries offering support its really a crapshoot.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: DarthTrader
Russia isn't even fighting with 1/10th of its capabilities.

The only thing Russia has not deployed into Ukraine is nuclear weapons and chemical/biological agents. If that's the remaining 9/10ths of Russia's capabilities you are referring to, then you're correct.

The deployment of both forms of warfare would be a significant and terrible escalation. Nato have already warned that use of nuclear weapons would solicit a conventional response from them.

Unless you have another take on the remaining capabilities, Russia has not yet fielded? An as-yet secret death ray, perhaps?

So far, Russia has not conducted the campaign of conquest that they originally thought, and while it's a mistake to underestimate Russia, they clearly overestimated their own capabilities, as the thousands of dead Russians can testify.

I’d be more reserved claiming to really know anything about Russia’s capability without Nukes.

As we have been hearing for months that Russia was supposed to be running out missiles.

And Putin was predicted to be oust last year. And Russia will just waltz away collectively as a country quiet. Waiting for McDonald’s to be back there again.



You’re currently looking at the West dishing out BILLIONS of dollars, equipment and mercenaries and Intel for awhile now.

A collective grouping of some of the best. And it keeps getting chewed up.

With Russia taking recently a stronghold (that’s been built up and fortified past years btw) and going to cause of fracture of problems soon in the east going forward.

Whose to say, the original plans of it being a long war isn’t still in place? If you look at the numbers game, Russia has it.

A country like Russia, that’s one of the Titans in space exploration and Nukes for decades, isn’t one to be underestimated.

There’s for sure, not a child’s play brass behind the arsenal there.

Again, isn’t Russia supposed to be running out of missiles yet?

a reply to: Imhere

How could we have come to this, Ukraine is on the brink of a collapse like the Russian army of nineteen seventeen. Without the secret police according to this ex-officer, the army would have already changed the government in Kyiv. Tuberculosis is decimating the ranks of Ukraine's army. This is an eye-opener from Redacted, hosted by Clayton. www.bitchute.com...

originally posted by: Imhere
As we have been hearing for months that Russia was supposed to be running out missiles.

and

Again, isn’t Russia supposed to be running out of missiles yet?

This is becoming the trope to evidence that Russia has more to throw into Ukraine. Clearly, Russia still has missiles, but is using stocks conservatively, and their impact on the war is not significant. Hardly shock and awe. Killing civilians never helps a cause, even when done accidentally.

There is plenty of well researched material in the public domain that covers Russian missile stocks.

Here's the rub for all the people who say that "Russia has yet to take their gloves off". Just what additional war-winning things will they be able to do, apart from a bloody grind to keep what they have occupied? A generation of Russian and Ukrainian lives wasted for greed and poor judgement.

a reply to: DarthTrader


Russian main army stopped living after 10 Months in Ukraine , either killed or wounded . The professional army was send to Ukraine, huge part of it anyway . What is left now is just seperate chunks of it, some units may still be there, but not so much . They had to send some conscript also In the February invasion, because they did not have enough men from the professional army......and since then they had to start recruit prisoners .

Over 200000 men from Russian main army is out if you count the killed plus wounded . Then the losses of tanks etc .


Russian Army operates around 170 battalion tactical groups — defense chief


They dont have forces anymore for any larger offensive,like they did Months ago , only smaller local offensive like Soledar ,and that with huge losses .

16 January Update

* Russian forces continued to launch localized assaults to regain lost positions around Svatove and in the Kupyansk direction as Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations around Kreminna.

* Russian forces made additional territorial gains north of Bakhmut and may be intensifying attacks south of Bakhmut near Klishchiivka.

* Russian forces continued ground attacks near Avdiivka and Donetsk City.

* Russian forces continued efforts to accumulate manpower in east (left) bank Kherson Oblast and to develop new logistic routes between Russia and southern Ukraine.

More at URL above.

Cheers

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Imhere
As we have been hearing for months that Russia was supposed to be running out missiles.

and

Again, isn’t Russia supposed to be running out of missiles yet?

This is becoming the trope to evidence that Russia has more to throw into Ukraine. Clearly, Russia still has missiles, but is using stocks conservatively, and their impact on the war is not significant. Hardly shock and awe. Killing civilians never helps a cause, even when done accidentally.

There is plenty of well researched material in the public domain that covers Russian missile stocks.

Here's the rub for all the people who say that "Russia has yet to take their gloves off". Just what additional war-winning things will they be able to do, apart from a bloody grind to keep what they have occupied? A generation of Russian and Ukrainian lives wasted for greed and poor judgement.

You’re underplaying it. And or trying to see it with a constant negative view on Russia’s capability.

Fact is, this is going to go on for awhile. Perhaps even down to the last Nuke if worst comes to worst. Which it won’t.

Clearly, Russia still has missiles, but is using stocks conservatively, and their impact on the war is not significant. Hardly shock and awe. Killing civilians never helps a cause, even when done accidentally.

If anything Russia can start knocking out the turbines. Then we really have problems and are in completely frozen blackouts.

They have been picking up on the strikes past weeks/months. They are significant. Or at least Kiev’s mayor thinks so. If anything it’s a heads up. Because once you hit turbines and other hard to repair parts, you’re back to the Stone Age

Russia’s has been reserved compared to other countries in the past.

Again, it would be a full blown humanitarian crisis if they really start hitting the turbines for example.

originally posted by: Imhere
You’re underplaying it. And or trying to see it with a constant negative view on Russia’s capability.

I don't have a negative view on Russian capabilities. However, the reality on the ground is that Russia attempted an invasion, lost the initiative and have been on the back foot since. They failed to win air dominance, for starters, lost a large amount of matériel and taken very significant losses, not to mention the misery they have caused.

If anything Russia can start knocking out the turbines. Then we really have problems and are in completely frozen blackouts.

Where is the war-winning strategy by firing missiles into Ukraine, set to destroy and kill. All it does is strengthen the resolve of Ukrainians and demonstrates Russia's military incapability. Over time, Ukraine will get increasing amounts of sophisticated systems that will render Russian missiles obsolete. Over time, Ukrainians will adopt a more dispersed power grid. Russia has read the Book of Hezbollah, but not read the part that says firing missiles at schools does not work.

Russia, incapable of making friends for a hundred years.

Ukraine's first lady speaking at Davos has said she is to deliver a letter from her husband to the Chinese delegation for President Xi Jinping setting out Zelensky's proposals for ending the war against his country.

DAVOS, Switzerland, Jan 17 (Reuters) - Ukraine's first lady told the World Economic Forum on Tuesday she would deliver a letter to China's delegation setting out President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's proposals for ending Russia's war against his country.

China, like Russia a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council, is an important partner for Moscow and has refused to condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

In a speech urging delegates to do more to help end the war, Olena Zelenska said she planned to hand the letter to Chinese Vice-Premier Liu He - who spoke after her - for passing on to President Xi Jinping.
www.reuters.com...

It's already know President Xi is less than chuffed with Putins war in Ukraine and that he is the only man with enough clout to influence the Russian President , perhaps a negotiated settlement could still be on the cards.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Imhere

How could we have come to this, Ukraine is on the brink of a collapse like the Russian army of nineteen seventeen. Without the secret police according to this ex-officer, the army would have already changed the government in Kyiv. Tuberculosis is decimating the ranks of Ukraine's army. This is an eye-opener from Redacted, hosted by Clayton. www.bitchute.com...

A typical comment from your source:

"Rumor has it that the Kikes are dumping Israel for Ukraine... the Ashkenazi's original home area."


Do you often frequent rabidly anti semitic Bitchute sources?

Disgusting.

Here is a drone cam of a city/town called Marinka,in Donbass,so its an area that has been fought over since before the start of the "Special MO".
The place looks lke a nuke has hit it in all directions to the horizon.

Damn its grim enough from the air-imagine being on the ground getting shelled in that icy hellscape..

If you get motion sickness try slowing the vid down in settings-the camera is a tad wobbly:

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Are you having a joke? it never said a thing like that.