NATO to hold nuclear deterrence exercise as Russia rages at Ukraine

a reply to: Zaphod58

You said you couldn't "think of one practice, drill, exercise or "game" that hasnt gone live in the past 100 years." So yes, it could be implied from your statement. 

From that statement the following can be predecated:

You're saying that every single one of them has gone live?

Even taking my hyperbolic and exaggerated comment at face value one couldnt construe that EVERY SINGLE ONE has gone live. Thats just silly.

There have been times when things happened around exercises,

And that was my point...

a reply to: JinMI

But construing that those exercises were the cause of things happening is wrong too. Many times they happen days or even weeks later, but people say that they happened at or near the same time. And other times, the timing is planned deliberately by the person doing it, just because they know that they'll get at least a few minutes of confusion, and extra time to cause chaos. Exercise schedules aren't classified most of the time, and someone that knows where to look can find them.

a reply to: Zaphod58

But construing that those exercises were the cause of things happening is wrong too.

Who is doing that? Highlighting that events have transpired in and around excercises doesnt assume that they are the cause.

I pretty much agree with the rest. The information is publicly available for anyone who wants to see.

...anyone

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TrueAmerican

I think it's somewhat of a response to Putin saying he was going to test nuclear weapons on Ukraine’s borders.

Actually it was UK who perpetrated that, Russian made no claim to it.

Putin: Russia ready to launch gas supplies to Europe.

a reply to: JinMI

There are plenty of de-escalation gestures coming out of Russia, it appears the EU is unwilling to accept.

The extremists on the far-left apperently aren't good with diplomacy.

There’s a good chance Putin will use chemical weapons first.

The Russian Federation is the home of the former Soviet stockpile of chemical weapons � consisting of a declared stockpile of nearly 40,000 metric tons of chemical nerve, blister and choking agents. According to some reports, the total stockpile exceeds 50,000 tons, with an additional 32,300 ton stockpile of phosphorus agents.

He’d use chlorine again more than likely.

nuke.fas.org...

"Nuclear Deterrence Exercise". How is that different from any other "war games"...like those executed off the coast of the Korea Peninsula earlier this month? They tell Russia WHAT?

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: JinMI

There are plenty of de-escalation gestures coming out of Russia, it appears the EU is unwilling to accept.

The extremists on the far-left apperently aren't good with diplomacy.

Yet there is a de-escalating measure that isnt coming out of Russia - stop the war and withdraw to original Russian borders of 2014.

It's simple, effective and would be the thing the EU and the rest of the world happily accept.

Why is Russia unwilling to accept that? Seems they arent particularly good at diplomacy.

a reply to: merka

You sound just like that news person on CNN.

btw the people of these annexed regions have voted to stay in the Russian federation.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

They do this drills every year, so when I read this post yesterday I didn't think much about it. However,
this morning, my area received more information on this, since one of the sites they will be practicing on is about 60 km from where I live, a site where US nukes are stored.

They will be practicing moving and loading the nukes, and dropping by air with F16's.

So we will see how much of a show they make of it this year... and if it is actually the same as other years, when we didn't receive any msg about it at all and maybe see 2 or 3 air-crafts fly over.
What we didn't get is the exact date.

I remember one or two years ago, before the war, a jet went through the sound barrier and a lot of people called the emergency services. Should that happen this year, a lot of people will actually panic. Guess that is why they are telling us upfront now.

a reply to: iamthevirus

What are you going on about, the UK perpetuated what?

The UK don't have any nuclear missile trains nor are they the ones issuing threats to use nukes in anger because they cant compete in a conventional manner.

Russia and Putin on the other hand sure do and sure are because they are getting their arse handed to them.

As to your link which would seem to be about gas supplies to Europe, well Russia mostlighly sabotaged the Nord Stream pipelines so any international terrorism Putin is going on about is his own.

a reply to: iamthevirus

btw the people of these annexed regions have voted to stay in the Russian federation.

If you could simply tell us all how referendums that return 96% approval ratings work in half occupied provinces that Russia does not hold complete sway over, nor is lightly to anytime soon, that might be nice?

Nobody in there correct mind recognizes those sham referendums for very obvious reasons.

They should call it a “We are the ones who really want peace by displaying this pageantry of violence” drill

Jackasses

a reply to: andy06shake

Pardon me was that the wrong link

her we go,

According to British reporters, Moscow allegedly intends to

a reply to: iamthevirus

Pardon me was that the wrong link

Apparently so.

Russia may technically attack the Armed Forces of Ukraine with low-powered tactical ammo, military expert Igor Nikulin said in an article for Tsargrad publication.

Russia may use tactical nuclear weapons against the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the event that the offensive of the Ukrainian troops towards the new Russian regions continues. Such a development could be considered as a reason to use nuclear arms, Nikulin believes.

President Putin has repeatedly said that Russia would be ready for everything to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity (including of new territories).

"Low-powered tactical nuclear weapons do not create either a massive radiation background or a large shock wave. Yet, their radiation will burn out all electronic equipment, whereas the blast wave will sweep away military hardware and manpower. An hour later, the Russian troops would be able to go on the offensive," Nikulin said.

Quoted from your Pradva article which perfectly illustrates Russian intent and threat to use nukes.

a reply to: andy06shake

My Pravda article? pfft...

are you unwilling to accept two sides of the same coin?

one must absorb both perspective in order to achieve a tiny bit of clarity, debating a single-sided issue is moot.

a reply to: iamthevirus

My Pravda article? pfft...

Your link.

are you unwilling to accept two sides of the same coin?

If you had bothered to read my initial post in the thread you would notice my feelings on the matter.

one must absorb both perspective in order to achieve a tiny bit of clarity, debating a single-sided issue is moot.

Indeed, but once again its Putin threatening to unleash nuclear weapons, and not the UK or NATO.

Nor is it NATO that's invaded Ukraine or is in retreat, but Russia.

originally posted by: andy06shake

Your link.

ahh ok, cause for a moment there I thought you were alluding to me being some kind of Russian agent or being on a particular side of this civil war the US are involved in halfway around world thanks to the Obama and Biden administrations meddling in the affairs of Ukraine for the global agenda of the Leftist pinko nazi commies.

a reply to: JAY1980

Are you so misinformed you actually think it is Putin calling for a preemptive nuclear strike?

I didn't say he was calling for them I said he's threatening them , which he has on a couple of accessions.
"We will without reservation use all the means at our disposal .... this is not a bluff"

It's from the horse's mouth so no , I'm not "that misinformed" , are you ?

a reply to: iamthevirus

ahh ok, cause for a moment there I thought you were alluding to me being some kind of Russian agent

I think you already stated in a previous thread that you were from Virginia USA.

Cant see why you would think i was alluding to you being a "russian agent".

or being on a particular side of this civil was the US are involved in halfway around world thanks to the Obama and Biden administrations meddling in the affairs of Ukraine for the global agenda.

Civil???

What was Trump and his administration doing with all that ""quid pro quo"" palaver and ""perfect phone calls"" if not arming aka meddling in Ukraine?

As to a global agenda, be nice if we could avoid a third world war, considering the implications, how's that for a global agenda?

Edit:

Leftist pinko nazi commies.

What does "pinko" signify, just wondering?

Also you realize that nazism and communism are not exactly synonymous ideologies at the best of times?

Just because you think it may sound good on a Tee-shirt don't mean it makes any sense.