Evidence suggests SARS-CoV-2 hasn't naturally evolved

a reply to: Asmodeus3

If it is a result of gain of functions then this should be a matter of an international criminal investigation with the strongest penalties to all those who participated in the creation of the virus, cover up, promotion of disinformation and propaganda.

The way it has been playing out is War of the Worlds kinda stuff as others watch this world with envious eyes. It is a smart species with all the levels of complexity and organization required to pull this off. Or is it just as simple as greed and incompetence?

What has gotten all these governance medical boards on the same page? Just how many voting members at the WHO have a conflict of interest between their career and the corporate world? All of them from some reports. What is going on when something like the Barrington Deceleration is signed off by many 1000's of medical professionals. Yet a roomful of so called experts can shut all that down and remain silent on the issues.

In trying to work out exactly what is going on, money is one weapon being used to push things. This trail leads to people like Bill Gates when looking at the funding structure of the WHO.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: Asmodeus3

If it is a result of gain of functions then this should be a matter of an international criminal investigation with the strongest penalties to all those who participated in the creation of the virus, cover up, promotion of disinformation and propaganda.

The way it has been playing out is War of the Worlds kinda stuff as others watch this world with envious eyes. It is a smart species with all the levels of complexity and organization required to pull this off. Or is it just as simple as greed and incompetence?

What has gotten all these governance medical boards on the same page? Just how many voting members at the WHO have a conflict of interest between their career and the corporate world? All of them from some reports. What is going on when something like the Barrington Deceleration is signed off by many 1000's of medical professionals. Yet a roomful of so called experts can shut all that down and remain silent on the issues.

In trying to work out exactly what is going on, money is one weapon being used to push things. This trail leads to people like Bill Gates when looking at the funding structure of the WHO.

My understanding is that is a mixture of everything and different individuals have different motives and different ambitions. The resultant force is the mess we are in at the moment. And of course incompetence and greed as well as financial and political interests play a significant role in situations like the one we have experienced for the past 3 years. Another notable problem is the obedience and compliance by a large number of professionals. That's incredibly worrying.

China were suddenly buying up all PPE as early as August before the pandemic had even struck and China is still locking down cities, if it was just a mild flu, why would they be going to such extremes?

I noticed alot of the posters here were the ones screaming covid was fake or no worse than the common cold when covid hit, are also the same posters throwing "Karens" about the jab being fake or to depopulate the planet. It's like they just want to jump on what ever Doom Porn is popular?

The Telegraph-China stockpiles PPE
The Independent- China lockdowns

I still contend this was a program started in the US by DOD and NIH, and eventually shipped to Wuhan after it was deemed too hot, when it became clear that GoF and the funding associated over a decade ago were sent out of states for the sake of plausible deniability.

originally posted by: Kurokage
China were buying up all PPE as early as August before the pandemic had even struck and China is still locking down cities, if it was just a mild flu, why would they be going to such extremes?

I noticed alot of the posters here were the ones screaming covid was fake or no worse than the common cold when covid hit, are also the same posters throwing "Karens" about the jab being fake or to depopulate the planet. It's like they just want to jump on what ever Doom Porn is popular?

The Telegraph-China stockpiles PPE
The Independent- China lockdowns

No such claims are made by my side, just to clarify, regardless of what you have noticed. When you notice something then you need to also name the members who may say something at one post and something very different at another post.

In terms of coronaviruses they are known to have very small infection fatality rates either it was the human coronaviruse OC43 that likely caused the 1889-1890 Russian 'Flu' Pandemic, or SARS-CoV-2 that is responsible for this pandemic and has an IFR of 0.15%

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Eventhough the IFR is so small we have had victims and the vast majority were elderly over the age of 65 and clinically vulnerable. At the moment the number of those died from and with Covid is around 6.56M

Adding to this the way the pandemic has been handled, the disruption of normal life, disruption of schools and universities, disruption and even destruction of small businesses and loss of profit, mental health issues due to lockdowns, one can only argue that if this virus resulted from a gain of function research then those who developed it, covered it up, then promoted disinformation and propaganda, should receive the strongest possible penalties.

originally posted by: Kurokage
China were buying up all PPE as early as August before the pandemic had even struck and China is still locking down cities, if it was just a mild flu, why would they be going to such extremes?

I noticed alot of the posters here were the ones screaming covid was fake or no worse than the common cold when covid hit, are also the same posters throwing "Karens" about the jab being fake or to depopulate the planet. It's like they just want to jump on what ever Doom Porn is popular?

The Telegraph-China stockpiles PPE
The Independent- China lockdowns

Answering your first paragraph.

Regardless of the infection fatality rate which is very small, China is a country of around 1.4 billion people that in principle have had no prior immunity to the novel virus although exposure to related viruses can offer some degree of immunity.

Apply 0.15% infection fatality rate to the population and you will see what happens. You can't lockdown the entire China forever and lockdowns are not the best epidemiological measures, they are very damaging for the economy and health of citizens, but the Chinese authorities are not known for their love of freedom and democracy and this is the greatest opportunity to try to control a very angry public where poverty and misery are often rampant.

I would have if I wanted to..
But I will say this..in a world full of half truths ..and half lies..a world where opposition to the status quo demand constant sources only to be ignored...in a world where it seems impossible to prove anything one way or another for the general public to accept as truth......
One must step back and look at it as a whole....and see the patterns formed....and then....
Use their god given gift we all have and many seem to loose..common frkkn sense..and there as said before....a firm GRASP of the obvious can be attainable ...as well as doing what is right ...
And in your case..proof or the lack thereof seems like a blinding factor to see the obvious that is most likely by design.
Know what I mean?no offense intended..just commenting on the obvious....to me that is. a reply to: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Faeded
I would have if I wanted to..
But I will say this..in a world full of half truths ..and half lies..a world where opposition to the status quo demand constant sources only to be ignored...in a world where it seems impossible to prove anything one way or another for the general public to accept as truth......
One must step back and look at it as a whole....and see the patterns formed....and then....
Use their god given gift we all have and many seem to loose..common frkkn sense..and there as said before....a firm GRASP of the obvious can be attainable ...as well as doing what is right ...
And in your case..proof or the lack thereof seems like a blinding factor to see the obvious that is most likely by design.
Know what I mean?no offense intended..just commenting on the obvious....to me that is. a reply to: Asmodeus3

You do realise that my thread is to point out that genetic engineering of this virus is a possibility that should be seriously considered.

Furthermore I have commented earlier that there is no evidence this is zoonotic virus i e one that has jumped from wild animals to humans. Although it is asserted as a fact it jumped from animals to us, there is no proof for it.

Have they isolated the cartoon image yet?
Did those labs that found only influenza a and b
change their minds?
Did the dissolving nasal swabs take a sample, or leave one?
Did the cdc report that the pcr can't differentiate between influenza and the novelty virus get ignored?
Do people get glassy-eyed with big words?

originally posted by: Mandroid7
Have they isolated the cartoon image yet?
Did those labs that found only influenza a and b
change their minds?
Did the dissolving nasal swabs take a sample, or leave one?
Did the cdc report that the pcr can't differentiate between influenza and the novelty virus get ignored?
Do people get glassy-eyed with big words?

Can you provide some links for some of the above?

Yes I see that and apologies..
The thing is..
We are far past the point of needing to "seriously consider it genetic modifications"
That is I'm my eye obvious.
I am two days into recovery ...2 week battle..my 4 battle with this pesky virus...
There ain't nothin natural about it.
How it sneeks up on you..comes in waves...just when u think you are better and it wasn't that bad...it comes right back and slams your face to the ground...
Luckily my phnomnia wasn't virul this time...but what about the next time?
I never got sick before this covid crap started.
Now it's a once a year like clockwork thing..
I was one of the first to get it in the country and I got it bad then..
And this time was borderline just as bad..
It all pisses me off and heads need to roll. the a reply to: Asmodeus3

a reply to: Asmodeus3

No. It's already been covered here ad nauseam.
The failure to isolate, the lab findings, the dissolving swabs, the cdc page on pcr effectiveness and recommendations to discontinue into the flu season for failure to differentiate from the flu. The gd stopping of the reporting of the flu.
You should probably start with those subjects first, you're probably spreading "its real" propaganda.

After getting the fast spreading and annoying 4-5 day flu from a "covid" positive friend. I took a ivermectin-like drug and was cured by the morning time.

What the injections that don't effect the symptoms are for is another can of worms.
But we should probably just focus on skeery spike proteins.

a reply to: Faeded

Have you tried the shots?
They lessen the effects..lol

Seriously get some ivermectin.
I was starting to get loopy and pissed off.
I popped a fenbendazole and was over it by morning time.

Not into hiding symptoms so I can spread it to others..that how I got it! From an MRI tech up in my face for an hour.
So..no..no shots...no plans for them.
I would like an easy source of some ivemekka...and I will look into the other drug I mentioned..thanks.a reply to: Mandroid7

originally posted by: Faeded
Yes I see that and apologies..
The thing is..
We are far past the point of needing to "seriously consider it genetic modifications"
That is I'm my eye obvious.
I am two days into recovery ...2 week battle..my 4 battle with this pesky virus...
There ain't nothin natural about it.
How it sneeks up on you..comes in waves...just when u think you are better and it wasn't that bad...it comes right back and slams your face to the ground...
Luckily my phnomnia wasn't virul this time...but what about the next time?
I never got sick before this covid crap started.
Now it's a once a year like clockwork thing..
I was one of the first to get it in the country and I got it bad then..
And this time was borderline just as bad..
It all pisses me off and heads need to roll. the a reply to: Asmodeus3

Thankfully the younger age groups aren't affected that much and a full recovery it is expected within 1-2 weeks. Sometimes it may take a little more.
But it's a novel virus although some of us may have pre-existing immunity due to exposure in other coronaviruses.

There is a real possibility the virus was engineered and is not a conspiracy theory as the propagandists and the denialists have claimed over and over again.

I have noticed also that one of the top virologists in the world (now deceased), Professor Luc Montagnier who discovered the HIV and got a Nobel Prize for it, was accused of spreading misinformation as he claimed that SARS-CoV-2 was deliberately created and escaped from a laboratory.


en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Kurokage
China were suddenly buying up all PPE as early as August before the pandemic had even struck and China is still locking down cities, if it was just a mild flu, why would they be going to such extremes?

I noticed alot of the posters here were the ones screaming covid was fake or no worse than the common cold when covid hit, are also the same posters throwing "Karens" about the jab being fake or to depopulate the planet. It's like they just want to jump on what ever Doom Porn is popular?

The Telegraph-China stockpiles PPE
The Independent- China lockdowns

Most were trying to emphasize that covid was mild for the average, healthy person and that, therefore, the measures taken were far too extreme. To lockdown and mask for a vast length of time was ridiculous, as was the coercive vaccine program that many had legitimate concerns over. The media told us "do it for the weak, the elderly" yet didn't give a rat's ass if those same people died depressed and islolated.

We all know where we stand on this. Not jumping on a doom porn wagon, just digging for the truth.

It may come to the point that society has to face the fact that the virus was manipulated and that the shots were no better.

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: Kurokage
China were suddenly buying up all PPE as early as August before the pandemic had even struck and China is still locking down cities, if it was just a mild flu, why would they be going to such extremes?

I noticed alot of the posters here were the ones screaming covid was fake or no worse than the common cold when covid hit, are also the same posters throwing "Karens" about the jab being fake or to depopulate the planet. It's like they just want to jump on what ever Doom Porn is popular?

The Telegraph-China stockpiles PPE
The Independent- China lockdowns

It may come to the point that society has to face the fact that the virus was manipulated and that the shots were no better.

Spot on!

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I have no doubt the virus originated and was purposely developed in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The usual shills won't touch this thread with a barge pole.

It's a serious possibility that it was engineered.
Remember when these theories were branded as conspiracies?

There is no much disturbance in this thread because of the continuous refutations of the virus and vaccine apologists.

A very interesting article on Nature

www.nature.com...

Gain of Function experiments:
Time for real debate

Recent studies, particularly those on influenza viruses, have led to renewed attention on DURC, as there is an ongoing debate over whether the benefits of gain-of-function (GOF) experiments that result in an increase in the transmission and/or pathogenicity of potential pandemic pathogens (PPPs) are outweighed by concerns over biosecurity and biosafety.

www.bitchute.com...

Senator Rand Paul & Dr Fauci heated exchange.
Funding of gain of function research at Wuhan Lab.