No vaccinations for the under 50s!!!!!

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The UK government changed its policy because the public demanded it.

This was a response to public pressure.

They should have never pushed for mass and mandatory vaccinations in the first place given what the vaccine task force had already decided long before the vaccines were made available i.e to vaccinate only those over the age of 50 and the clinically vulnerable as they didn't want any freak accidents from the vaccines for the young and healthy or a greater risk of adverse reactions from the vaccines rather than being hospitalised with Covid

Rather amusingly it was actually the exact opposite.

The UK government was more worried about the economic impact of locking down and vaxxing.

They thought that it would be too expensive and too time consuming, and that it would take resources away from other things.

They didn't doubt the safety for younger people. The government itself believed that the vax would be safe and effective which is why the pre ordered it before trial had finished.

The UK is very different from the US, the public were the ones pushing for masks and lockdowns and vaxxing, and the government caved in to them because opposition politicians were using government inaction as a tool to gain popularity.

At the start the uk government was adiment that they wouldn't close the schools, and the were forced to when the teachers demanded it.

The same with vaxxing kids, it was the parents who demanded it.

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: Asmodeus3

we live in a society with a patience of what 14 to 16 seconds and an attention span of an sms or tweet. thts how screwed we are..

Yet it also remembers what you blogged about when you were 11, which was perfectly OK then but is now taboo.

Or what halloween costume you wore in high school that now considered offensive.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The UK government changed its policy because the public demanded it.

This was a response to public pressure.

The public, who has no medical background. Its a shame those in charge chose profit over science.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

is it your thing to do "Pompous American wittering on about American stuff"

a reply to: network dude

But they didn't the media did and how do we know this.. if they did demand vaccines the 90% uptake of first 2 would be mirrored in the next 3 but instead they now sit at around 10% uptake..

at the peak hitting 800k doses a day is down to around the 500 a day mark now.. this is where the real world clashes with media misinformation and it'll always comes out in the end..

same with vaccinating the young kiddies outside media and social media hype that the bulk of parents are demanding it, they've struggled to get to 10% before ending the program..

there has been a utter collapse in trust reversing the +90% uptake...

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The UK government changed its policy because the public demanded it.

This was a response to public pressure.

They should have never pushed for mass and mandatory vaccinations in the first place given what the vaccine task force had already decided long before the vaccines were made available i.e to vaccinate only those over the age of 50 and the clinically vulnerable as they didn't want any freak accidents from the vaccines for the young and healthy or a greater risk of adverse reactions from the vaccines rather than being hospitalised with Covid

Rather amusingly it was actually the exact opposite.

The UK government was more worried about the economic impact of locking down and vaxxing.

They thought that it would be too expensive and too time consuming, and that it would take resources away from other things.

They didn't doubt the safety for younger people. The government itself believed that the vax would be safe and effective which is why the pre ordered it before trial had finished.

The UK is very different from the US, the public were the ones pushing for masks and lockdowns and vaxxing, and the government caved in to them because opposition politicians were using government inaction as a tool to gain popularity.

At the start the uk government was adiment that they wouldn't close the schools, and the were forced to when the teachers demanded it.

The same with vaxxing kids, it was the parents who demanded it.

I am afraid this is just a narrative propagated and not true.

You may want to read the article I have posted again. If you have read it at all. The vaccine task force was clear on this matter: Only those who were over 50 years old should be vaccinated. and the clinically vulnerable.

The government acted differently.

Then it realised the mistake on the mass and mandatory vaccinations and it abandoned it.

The idea that parents were demanding that their kids should be vaccinated it's an assertion of yours. The rest of your comments are also assertions based on your unsubstantiated opinions.

You seem to be contradicting yourself quite a lot. Now you claim that the Government didn't listen to the scientists but to the parents! That's hilarious.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The UK government changed its policy because the public demanded it.

This was a response to public pressure.

The public, who has no medical background. Its a shame those in charge chose profit over science.

The public, under pressure from constant propaganda such as this one claiming your taking the vaxx will save other people's lives (of course the inverse is that you are killing other people by NOT taking it) demanded everyone take it.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The UK government changed its policy because the public demanded it.

This was a response to public pressure.

The public, who has no medical background. Its a shame those in charge chose profit over science.

That's very true and a reason they managed to push mass vaccinations for some period of time where many were concerned and probably even terrified in the idea that will get infected and die from Covid.

However the deception goes much further as it was known early and before the vaccines were rolled out to the population that Covid is s mild disease for most people and it has a small Infection Fatality Rate, around 0.15%

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: network dude

But they didn't the media did and how do we know this.. if they did demand vaccines the 90% uptake of first 2 would be mirrored in the next 3 but instead they now sit at around 10% uptake..

at the peak hitting 800k doses a day is down to around the 500 a day mark now.. this is where the real world clashes with media misinformation and it'll always comes out in the end..

same with vaccinating the young kiddies outside media and social media hype that the bulk of parents are demanding it, they've struggled to get to 10% before ending the program..

there has been a utter collapse in trust reversing the +90% uptake...

Absolutely!

Spot on!

a reply to: zosimov

and ironically it reversed the +90% uptake... first 2 vaxes 98m doses given and 33m given in the next 3.. the uk has gone from highs of 800k per day to a minuscule 500 a day, i check the stats for my town and see it going up at highs of 1 dose per day with the current last 7 days sitting at a grand total of 4 doses given, the real world was always going to say hi to misinformed one.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies


They didn't doubt the safety for younger people. The government itself believed that the vax would be safe and effective which is why the pre ordered it before trial had finished.

How unscientific of them. Sounds like the faith of the religious, but belief does not equal reality.

a reply to: zosimov

at the time it sounded and looked more like a scatter gun approach than science.. beyond the first wave the whole thing has looked more like an article of faith than science, I guess we can consider ourselves lucky it only extends to a small minority.

a reply to: nickyw

Absolutely agree with you

I wrote this thread comparing the "Modern Church of Science" to the Medieval Church, and the parallels are interesting.
Wish I'd fleshed it out a bit more; maybe I still will.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: zosimov

originally posted by: AaarghZombies


They didn't doubt the safety for younger people. The government itself believed that the vax would be safe and effective which is why the pre ordered it before trial had finished.

How unscientific of them. Sounds like the faith of the religious, but belief does not equal reality.

The arguments made by the other user have no merits. He said that parents were pressuring the Government to vaccinate their kids. In reality the JCVI Committee in England didn't recommend vaccinations for young and healthy kids.

news.sky.com...

JCVI stands for the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation

"The UK is very different from the US, the public were the ones pushing for masks and lockdowns and vaxxing, and the government caved in to them because opposition politicians were using government inaction as a tool to gain popularity"

On the borders of misinformation.

The lockdowns were vehemently opposed in the UK and as time passed the entire campaign of fear, paranoia, and hysteria as well as all the other ludicrous measures.

This was down to how the vaccination process would be rolled out here in the UK and that vunerable groups were seen first, also the UK were in the middle of of a confrontation with the EU on vaccine quotas with them making demands because of shortfall in supplies to its member states.

The latest advice from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation in the UK, published last week, states that “simple age-based [vaccination] programmes are usually easier to deliver and therefore achieve higher vaccine uptake”, and also states that health and social care workers would be a high priority.

This was linked to in the article you posted
Gov.UK

1.older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers
2.all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers
3.all those 75 years of age and over
4.all those 70 years of age and over
5.all those 65 years of age and over
6.high-risk adults under 65 years of age
7.moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age
8.all those 60 years of age and over
9.all those 55 years of age and over
10.all those 50 years of age and over
11.rest of the population (priority to be determined)

Financial Times

EU demands UK Covid vaccines from AstraZeneca to make up shortfall.

The EU has said AstraZeneca must take coronavirus vaccines from UK factories to make up a shortfall in supplies to its member states, a demand that could unleash an explosive post-Brexit political fight.

AstraZeneca was contractually obliged to use vaccines produced at UK plants to fulfil its delivery obligations to EU states, the European Commission said, as Brussels called on the manufacturer to agree to publish its EU supply contract.

The EU demands marked a further escalation in a bitter dispute since AstraZeneca last week said its first-quarter deliveries would fall more than 50 per cent short of the bloc’s expectations.

a reply to: Asmodeus3
In one sentence you post this....

the public were the ones pushing for masks and lockdowns and vaxxing,

then later in the same paragraph you state this...

The lockdowns were vehemently opposed in the UK

Which is it?

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3
In one sentence you post this....

the public were the ones pushing for masks and lockdowns and vaxxing,

then later in the same paragraph you state this...

The lockdowns were vehemently opposed in the UK

Which is it?

You made a mistake when reading the posts.
The first isn't mine but a phrase from another user which can be found in this paragraph which I quoted a few replies back.

"The UK is very different from the US, the public were the ones pushing for masks and lockdowns and vaxxing, and the government caved in to them because opposition politicians were using government inaction as a tool to gain popularity"

The second is mine: The lockdowns were vehemently opposed in the UK

a reply to: Asmodeus3

You should maybe put it in a quote to make it more obvious then, or use the reply "button".

Also the lockdowns weren't vehemently opposed here in the UK, people excepted the first lockdown without any opposition at all.

oh facts and figures....like 600 million dead from covid?