Medvedev: any weapon, including nuclear weapons, annexed territories

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

The graphic accounts of the Babi Yar incident is enough to bring tears to anyone's eyes...

Nothing can justify or excuse it, try as you may.

Zelenskyy is and has been virtue signaling but it is rather hollow and empty for Ukraine to adopt Rosh Hashanah wouldn't you agree?

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

The graphic accounts of the Babi Yar incident is enough to bring tears to anyone's eyes...

Nothing can justify or excuse it, try as you may.

Zelenskyy is and has been virtue signaling but it is rather hollow and empty for Ukraine to adopt Rosh Hashanah wouldn't you agree?

Who is 'excusing' it?

I'm just putting it into historical perspective and not exaggerating it into something it wasn't, as you and and russia do.

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Besides the Jews in Ukraine were exterminated, who would want to go back?

No free Jew would want to live at the site of a holocaust massacre, specially after they created their own State and Nation of Israel.

With the help of friends...

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Besides the Jews in Ukraine were exterminated, who would want to go back?

No free Jew would want to live at the site of a holocaust massacre, specially after they created their own State and Nation of Israel.

With the help of friends...

So no Jews live in Poland or Germany anymore?

No Ukrainians live in russia anymore?



Want to rethink that one?

a reply to: MetalChickAmy

When exactly is the adoption of Rosh Hashanah as a National Holiday in Ukraine going to take place?

The only holiday listed in September for Ukraine is the pagan Equinox.

Where are all the photos of Zelenskyy practicing his faith of Judaism before he was installed as a leader?

Zelenskyy is about as Jewish as I am, and Israel said screw you about weapons support.

I'm sure they know their own...

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Aha

Russia's Medvedev: new regions can be defended with strategic nuclear weapons

Dmitry Medvedev, the former Russian president, has said that any weapons in Moscow’s arsenal, including strategic nuclear weapons, could be used to defend territories incorporated into Russia from Ukraine.

Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, also said on Thursday that referendums being organised by Russian-installed and separatist authorities in large swathes of occupied Ukrainian territory will take place, and that “there is no going back”:


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So steal parts of somebody elses country, hold a faux referendum down the barrel of the gun, solidify it by threatening your own annihilation, lol

These people are insane, utter losers getting their arses kicked, and already know how its going to end... nobody will ever back down regardless of the nuclear IM NOT BLUFFING THREATS... GTFO it makes a preemptive all the more likely IMHO, cooler heads cannot prevail in the event of such reckless threats from imperialist colonialist psychopaths

There will be no climb down, No backing out, till outright liberation, i hope Russia understands that, if they dont, God Bless

Every 100 years Europe under influence of England or America gets together to have their teeth kicked in by Russia.

This time they decided to use Ukraine, so it's no surprises there and no one will bat an eye if Russia nukes Ukraine.

Literally no one will fire back or pop off another rocket if Putin were to nuke the traitors.

Additionally, Putin doesn't need to use a nuke Russia has something else in its arsenal that is just as powerful and has 0 radiation and is not illegal to use.

The referendums are happening for a reason, if Ukraine proceeds to attack the regions after the referendums it is open war with Russia and that unties Putin's hands.

Putin is not crazy and he is definitely not an idiot, it is too easy to call him a new Stalin or Hitler and label him a psychopath. That is where the mistake is made because we're underestimating him!

Europe and America is playing a dangerous game, a game that will be lost because Putin did something with Russia that has not been seen since WW2.

There is no partial mobilization, the 300,000 reported were gathered on the first day and we are now on day 3 with the conscription notifications still being given out. We're most likely at 1,200,000 - 1,300,000 right now and still more to come, all factories are being retrofitted and directed towards military production.

Additionally, if you look historically Ukraine never really existed other than being a tiny state, Kiev was the capital of Russia before it was moved to Moscow. Furthermore, most of the land connected to Ukraine was through Russians Tzars and Emperors, then by Lenin and Hrustchov. However, Ukrainians will literally beat you to death for even mentioning this factor and if you look at Ukrainian history books all these facts have been erased, they did this in the last 8 years roughly and it is shocking to see how well it was done.

Anyway, enough with the history lesson, Russia is complicated and Russians are even more complicated. The main concern here is how far will Russia go into Europe, plus not to mention which nations will turn on their governments when winter comes and millions die from the cold and no food. Remember from November 2021 - February 2022 Russians offered many agreements and deals to E.U, NATO and the U.S.A in regards to Ukraine and NATO but they literally laughed and spat on all of them.

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Besides the Jews in Ukraine were exterminated, who would want to go back?

No free Jew would want to live at the site of a holocaust massacre, specially after they created their own State and Nation of Israel.

With the help of friends...

It's also interesting that when Poroshenko and Zelensky took over, they opened several statues and renamed streets + buildings to historic members of the Bandera movement. Which were so brutal in the extermination of Jews, Ukrainians, and Russians that even the SS was like "Woah there what the f*ck".

But apparently there are no Nazis in Ukraine, no Bandera Jugend summer camps ran by Azov and BCY that had kids as young as 5 being drilled with extremist mentalities that were reported by Vice, BBC, etc.

The stuff Europe and America swept under the rug about the Ukrainian military and government pre-February 2022 is truly shocking and kind of reminds me of the secret funding of the Nazis that was done right before they attacked Russia during WW2.

The real problem is they think they can take Russia and win, yet Russians know that this stuff happens every 100 years and it is a gross underestimation of Russia and Russians.

Recent U.N meetings were the biggest joke ever as for 8 years Russia reported crimes in Easter Ukraine by the Poroshenko regime and Zelensky regime as well. Where Azov and BCY committed genocide, crucified soldiers, children and women, constant daily bombings and mass murder. European reporters that filmed the atrocities were silenced and the materials were taken down, etc.

It's like everything is ok when Europe and America level Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, etc. Yet when Russia finally had enough and literally were spat in the face when they proposed decent terms, all of a sudden it goes against international law and order of things as soon as they decided to act first.

It can literally all end but E.U/NATO and America do not want this because they want Russia to burn, they are willing to wipe out every single Ukrainian during it to do more damage to Russia but the Ukrainians are too blind to see this, millions or tens of millions and if not 100s of millions of Europeans will die from the brutal winter via starvation or freezing, etc. The list goes on and when most Europeans wake up to the fact it will already be too late to do anything about it...

a reply to: WanderingMrM


"But apparently there are no Nazis in Ukraine"





NOBODY has said that there are no nazis in Ukraine.

We said that Ukraine is not RUN by nazis.





Cuz russia has nazis too.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: WanderingMrM


"But apparently there are no Nazis in Ukraine"





NOBODY has said that there are no nazis in Ukraine.

We said that Ukraine is not RUN by nazis.





Cuz russia has nazis too.

Ukraine is ran by Oligarchs and the military is riddled with Nazis who were absorbed into the military after 2014 events. You peeps really have no idea who runs Ukraine and who is in their military! That's the reason why they kept shelling Eastern Ukraine for the past 8 years and why Zelensky was not able to stop them.

Russia has Nazis too but the difference is they don't let them into the military or government positions!

originally posted by: WanderingMrM

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: WanderingMrM


"But apparently there are no Nazis in Ukraine"





NOBODY has said that there are no nazis in Ukraine.

We said that Ukraine is not RUN by nazis.





Cuz russia has nazis too.

Ukraine is ran by Oligarchs and the military is riddled with Nazis who were absorbed into the military after 2014 events. You peeps really have no idea who runs Ukraine and who is in their military! That's the reason why they kept shelling Eastern Ukraine for the past 8 years and why Zelensky was not able to stop them.

Russia has Nazis too but the difference is they don't let them into the military or government positions!

Putin's private army aka the Wagner Group has it own Nazi problem so it's not really true that Russia doesn't let me into their military.

a reply to: WanderingMrM


"Russia has Nazis too but the difference is they don't let them into the military or government positions"


Wanna bet?

originally posted by: nancyliedersdeaddog

originally posted by: WanderingMrM

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: WanderingMrM


"But apparently there are no Nazis in Ukraine"





NOBODY has said that there are no nazis in Ukraine.

We said that Ukraine is not RUN by nazis.





Cuz russia has nazis too.

Ukraine is ran by Oligarchs and the military is riddled with Nazis who were absorbed into the military after 2014 events. You peeps really have no idea who runs Ukraine and who is in their military! That's the reason why they kept shelling Eastern Ukraine for the past 8 years and why Zelensky was not able to stop them.

Russia has Nazis too but the difference is they don't let them into the military or government positions!

Putin's private army aka the Wagner Group has it own Nazi problem so it's not really true that Russia doesn't let me into their military.

Wagner Group consists of military contractors and now prisoners who enlisted as contractors. Other than that they are are just a mercenary group, meanwhile Azov is part of the BCY which is the actual main military branch of the actualy Ukrainian government.

Trust me way way more Nazis and a lot more questionable things done over the 8 years that makes Wagner look like girl scouts. U.N and O.B.S.E heavily covered up the stuff Azov and BCY has been doing in the Eastern Ukrainian region, the stuff I've seen and discussed with actual people living there makes you question if the SS has made a comeback.

However, it's not seen or exposed because Azov and BCY are funded directly by NATO and American Special Operations so anything done by them is within international law and order. Putin is severely exposing the double standards and furthermore the crucial part everyone is not grasping is that Russia is not going to lose this.

To think that is just pure ignorance and idiocy due to the simple fact that there are far too many hands that Putin can play which are already taking effect. Once winter hits the tune will quickly change in Europe and there is only so much the U.S can do as well.

Putin has at least 7 options before he goes full nuclear tactical, one of which is something as powerful as a nuke but with 0 radiation and that is a 2nd to last resort.

Never underestimate a nation or a leader that you can not say "No" to, especially one as complex as Russia and the Russians themselves.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

Every 100 years Europe under influence of England or America gets together to have their teeth kicked in by Russia.

Err....like when?
Examples please.

..... and no one will bat an eye if Russia nukes Ukraine.

I suspect you might be wrong there.....lets hope we never find out who was right or wrong.

Additionally, Putin doesn't need to use a nuke Russia has something else in its arsenal that is just as powerful and has 0 radiation and is not illegal to use.

Please, enlighten us.

The referendums are happening for a reason,.....

The referendums are a farce....the WHOLE world knows it.
Its impossible for any ballot taken under war conditions, with an oppressing military force in command and where millions of people have been displaced from their homelands to have any credibility and legitimacy at all.
Any sane, rational person can see and recognise that.
They are a complete FARCE.

if Ukraine proceeds to attack the regions after the referendums it is open war with Russia and that unties Putin's hands.

FFS, do you really think Putin has been holding back?
Why?
What is the purpose of this alleged restraint and how has it manifested itself?
How are things going to change once Putin's hands have been 'untied'?

Putin is not crazy....

Delusional.
Self-obsessed and self-aggrandising.
Paranoid.
Amoral and corrupt.
Megalomaniac.

But not crazy.

.... and he is definitely not an idiot,

Once over I would have agree with you....but since his self-induced prolonged Covid isolation he seems to have changed.

it is too easy to call him a new Stalin or Hitler.....

Well, he's doing everything possible to borrow nearly every single tactic from the Hitler playbook.
He's not on a par with the numbers he's killed and imprisoned etc....but he's getting there.
Given a free hand who knows?

.....and label him a psychopath.

He's doing that himself.

That is where the mistake is made because we're underestimating him!

What mistake?
How is he being 'underestimated'?
His invasion hasn't exactly been the staggeringingly swift decisive victory he sold it to be has it?
He's insisted on a hands on approach - similar to Hitler - not very impressive is it?

But you expect us to believe that its all part of some super smart 4d chess tactics and evidence of his genius?

a reply to: WanderingMrM

But apparently there are no Nazis in Ukraine,....

I don't think anyone has alleged that.....just their numbers, influence and exclusivity; there are plenty of Nazi's fighting on the Russian side too.

It's like everything is ok when Europe and America level Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, etc.

I don't think there's many here alleging that.
If it was wrong then it's wrong now; pretty simple. Its called being consistent.
But surely you recognise that each individual situation has to be treat and judged on their own individual circumstances etc?

It can literally all end but E.U/NATO and America do not want this because they want Russia to burn,....

Yes, it can end; either by NATO stopping funding to Ukraine and allowing Putin walk all over Ukraine and allow him to subjugate the Ukrainian people, again. All as part of his dreams of a Greater Russia.
Or; Putin could call an immediate ceasefire.

a reply to: Freeborn

Nah ceasefire will only happen under conditions of the following.

1. Dissolving of the entire Ukrainian military.
2. Zelensky trialed for giving orders for the genocide of Russian Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine.
3. Entire Azov and BCY standing trial as well!
4. Guarantee that Ukraine is not accepted into EU or NATO period!
5. No American or European military bases or influence of any kind.
6. Annexations of Eastern Ukraine and parts of Southern Ukraine such as Odesa.

Simple terms really, some of these terms were asked for in the agreements prior to the February 2022 escalation. They were presented to NATO, E.U and U.S.A who represented Ukraine at the meetings which were between October 2021 - late January 2022. However, they spat on the agreements and basically laughed in Russia's face, so now it is a special operation.

The votes are now being counted and results will be announced tomorrow or the following day. If Ukraine continues to shell these regions and does not leave the ones they partially took over already then it will be a direct invasion of Russia and Russian territory.

That is when Europe will understand directly what Russia and Putin meant by proper countermeasures, in all honesty Putin has been humane in terms of how he has approached the situation with the 150,000 mercenaries that went into Ukraine from February 2022.

If Putin's hands get untied he will drop something that was dropped on Chechnya back during the Chechen war which after the following day they surrendered. However that weapon has now been perfected, is far more powerful and can now be used with the newly demonstrated hypersonic missiles that we got to see in Ukraine recently.

If one of these bad boys hits Kyiv and Lviv, it will literally be over but Putin has been humane so far and restrained. Same as a nuke but with 0 radiation and since it can be utilized with a hypersonic dagger missile it means nothing will be stopping it. Furthermore, since it is not a nuke it is not illegal to use such a weapon of magnitude during a war. So believe me we do not want Putin to have his hands untied and if Ukraine under the order of NATO and the U.S continues to attack after the referendum is solidified. Well... we can guess what happens next as Putin announces that Russia is now in an open war conflict with Ukraine instead of a Special Operation, and decides to no longer be humane.

Also the partial mobilization the European and American media is spinning is a lie, the number is roughly 1,200,000 - 1,500,000 already and growing fast. Also as I mentioned before over 50% of Russian factories are being retrofitted and directed toward the production of gear, arms, shells, missiles, tanks, jets, etc. Something that hasn't been seen in Russia since WW2 so there is serious room for concern. So NATO and America now has a choice to face, either hit Russia first and all hell breaks lose or let Putin take Ukraine and avoid Russia going for Moldova, Romania, Latvia, Estonia, Luthiania and Poland. Putin won't go into Germany or France because he's not suicidal but those peeps have serious room for concern now.

Oh and since Russia will most likely shut off everything this brutal winter and it will be BRUTAL! Then people of those nations will most likely hand over their failed governments and politicians to Putin on a silver platter. Because thanks to E.U and America they will now be freezing and starving to death because they couldn't agree to basic and understandable terms of agreements + concerns that Russia had in regards to Ukraine.

It is why America and Europe underestimate Russia and Russians, they can be humane as much as possible but when a certain point gets crossed all you'll hear as the youth of today says is "Boss Music" and questioning why it is playing.

Yes, each situation is different but the bias still remains the same when it came to NATO and America leveling nations and no one batting an eye, starting sanctions or standing with those nations. Also let's not forget what happened in Yugoslavia and the referendums and annexations that happened there, hence why Putin is saying "Hell since you did it means we all can". So we can call it a farce as much as we want but when the U.S and E.U did it, that was seen as perfectly legal and within the international order. If we still don't see the double standard and bias then clearly, we are not realizing how we literally allowed Putin to play this hand and game.

The terms are simple and understood by Europe and America, if they want to ignore them well then all I can say is Goodbye Ukraine and Winter is coming...

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: WanderingMrM


"But apparently there are no Nazis in Ukraine"





NOBODY has said that there are no nazis in Ukraine.

We said that Ukraine is not RUN by nazis.





Cuz russia has nazis too.

when it comes to nazis, nothing compares to ukraine these days. here's a photo of thousands (around 20000 if i remember correctly) nazi supporters marching in kiev in recent years.



you have similar photos from moscow, right?

a reply to: jedi_hamster

This is back in 2014 - 2015, it is in the hundreds of thousands if not millions now. Most of whom went into the military, so there is serious room for concern!

originally posted by: WanderingMrM
a reply to: jedi_hamster

This is back in 2014 - 2015, it is in the hundreds of thousands if not millions now. Most of whom went into the military, so there is serious room for concern!

and they had support in the government for years.

some folks here are all "REEE PEOPLE DIE IN UKRAINE REEE" - WHERE THE F..K WERE YOU FOR THE PAST 8 YEARS?

bunch of virtue signalling useful idiots, half of which created their account in this year, some even in this month.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

It really is interesting seeing this stuff, especially how U.N and O.B.S.E reps went to the regions saw the crimes and just went "We see nothing wrong here, Ukraine is in the right and you're all terrorists"... Seriously, the double standards and the b.s happening is through the roof and it is not surprising the Russians finally had enough and decided to act first instead of waiting for Europe and America to attack first.

The only reason they are so pissed off is that their plans fell through, and they were not expecting Russia to punch first.

a reply to: WanderingMrM

You're fantasizing with that list of 'conditions'. Ain't gonna happen, new Tsar or not.

Cheers