Medvedev: any weapon, including nuclear weapons, annexed territories

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
If the regions do decide to be a part of Russia, I for one welcome the use of tactical nukes if they are attacked.

Sooner this special operation is complete the better.

And I say again that murderous scumbag zelenskyy needs to die.

Why, Russians not tough enough to get it done with resorting nuclear weapons?

Agreed, lets wrap this invasion up sooner rather than later. unfortunately, the use of nuclear weapons will be an escalation.

The dictator Putin should be on the block, not the comedian.

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

So you wish to be the second nation on the planet to use a nuke in wartime?, following the lead of the USA again if perhaps half a century behind.

I dont know how anyone can honestly suggest using nukes is anything but stupid, radiate the land all because some idiots cant get along, if you want to kill zelenskyy cant you 2 just go and fight somewhere, show us all how tough you both are. perhaps pay per view?

Would you be happy if you killed zelenskyy without a nuke, or is it the idea of using a nuke that gives you a boner?

originally posted by: UpThenDown
a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

So you wish to be the second nation on the planet to use a nuke in wartime?, following the lead of the USA again if perhaps half a century behind.

I dont know how anyone can honestly suggest using nukes is anything but stupid, radiate the land all because some idiots cant get along, if you want to kill zelenskyy cant you 2 just go and fight somewhere, show us all how tough you both are. perhaps pay per view?

Would you be happy if you killed zelenskyy without a nuke, or is it the idea of using a nuke that gives you a boner?

I'm not russian.

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Besides the Jews in Ukraine were exterminated, who would want to go back?

No free Jew would want to live at the site of a holocaust massacre, specially after they created their own State and Nation of Israel.

With the help of friends...

So no Jews live in Poland or Germany anymore?

No Ukrainians live in russia anymore?



Want to rethink that one?

Have I made any such claim?

Yeah, you kinda did.

Kinda did?

Don't bother further explaining, I forgive ya

You might like this one, Jewish leaders are advising Jews to leave russia ASAP.

Meanwhile Israel sends support to Ukraine.




Jews know nazis when they see them, and they see them in russia, not Ukraine.

youtu.be...

originally posted by: WanderingMrM

originally posted by: nancyliedersdeaddog

originally posted by: WanderingMrM

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: WanderingMrM


"But apparently there are no Nazis in Ukraine"





NOBODY has said that there are no nazis in Ukraine.

We said that Ukraine is not RUN by nazis.





Cuz russia has nazis too.

Ukraine is ran by Oligarchs and the military is riddled with Nazis who were absorbed into the military after 2014 events. You peeps really have no idea who runs Ukraine and who is in their military! That's the reason why they kept shelling Eastern Ukraine for the past 8 years and why Zelensky was not able to stop them.

Russia has Nazis too but the difference is they don't let them into the military or government positions!

Putin's private army aka the Wagner Group has it own Nazi problem so it's not really true that Russia doesn't let me into their military.

Wagner Group consists of military contractors and now prisoners who enlisted as contractors. Other than that they are are just a mercenary group, meanwhile Azov is part of the BCY which is the actual main military branch of the actualy Ukrainian government.

Trust me way way more Nazis and a lot more questionable things done over the 8 years that makes Wagner look like girl scouts. U.N and O.B.S.E heavily covered up the stuff Azov and BCY has been doing in the Eastern Ukrainian region, the stuff I've seen and discussed with actual people living there makes you question if the SS has made a comeback.

However, it's not seen or exposed because Azov and BCY are funded directly by NATO and American Special Operations so anything done by them is within international law and order. Putin is severely exposing the double standards and furthermore the crucial part everyone is not grasping is that Russia is not going to lose this.

To think that is just pure ignorance and idiocy due to the simple fact that there are far too many hands that Putin can play which are already taking effect. Once winter hits the tune will quickly change in Europe and there is only so much the U.S can do as well.

Putin has at least 7 options before he goes full nuclear tactical, one of which is something as powerful as a nuke but with 0 radiation and that is a 2nd to last resort.

Never underestimate a nation or a leader that you can not say "No" to, especially one as complex as Russia and the Russians themselves.

There is quite a bit of evidence that the Wagner group has a much closer relationship to the Russia military then what you are saying. They might even be a clandestine branch of the Russian MOD. Sorry but I don't trust you nor the 2nd hand info you claim to have that has been covered up and I can't just take your word for it. I will say that I have no doubt there are many horror stories during this invasion and the years leading up on both sides which is why I hope Russian troops will leave Ukraine soon. I thought Putin was going to win months ago and that went out the window so I've been waiting for Russia to win this war for quite some time. I would have to say Putin, his advisors, and some of the pro Russia posters on this site seem to be the one's who are most guilty of underestimating their enemy.

a reply to: nancyliedersdeaddog

It's ok we will see pretty soon how it all plays out, so no need to debate back and forward.

a reply to: TritonTaranis
I HATE Ukraine. Our government cares so much about that scrap of dirt they've borrowed billions of dollars with interest just so it can remain in cabal hands for several more months. And we have to pay all that back. We could've just let Russia take their separatist regions that voted to leave and saved a lot of trouble.

Show me where the referendum was held at gunpoint or just admit your hate for Russia is above all else in your mind. Theres very high #s of Russians living there. They're being shelled by their own gov. Why wouldn't they want to leave the Urkaine?

originally posted by: 3n19m470
a reply to: TritonTaranis
I HATE Ukraine. Our government cares so much about that scrap of dirt they've borrowed billions of dollars with interest just so it can remain in cabal hands for several more months. And we have to pay all that back. We could've just let Russia take their separatist regions that voted to leave and saved a lot of trouble.

Show me where the referendum was held at gunpoint or just admit your hate for Russia is above all else in your mind. Theres very high #s of Russians living there. They're being shelled by their own gov. Why wouldn't they want to leave the Urkaine?

Because they don't believe Ukraine which is their number 1 ally in the fight against Russia is a Nazi led government, that has the entire military riddled by Nazis and that their so-called Jewish president is actually rejected by Israel...

It's a foreign concept to them that the Ukrainians shelled the hell out of the Eastern region which is a dominantly Russian speaking populace and are more Russian than Ukrainian. Because to them when Russia has been reporting the genocide in the Eastern region, no one batted an eye and said it's just propaganda, not to mention having all evidence swept under a rug by E.U, U.N, O.B.S.E and the U.S

There is a reason Russians are pissed off and I am not surprised! However, in the eyes of the world Russia finally fighting back is considered an act of aggression but far worse actions done by the Ukrainian government since 2014 to even now is being ignored. I would not be surprised that most of the war crimes Ukrainians are reporting are done by their own, because over the past 8 years the amount of reports and what was reported done by Ukrainians makes SS look like quire boys.

The whole situation with Ukraine reminds me of that Joker scene where we'll go with a few changes "Ukraine commits genocide, war crimes and violation of human rights of ethnic Russians in Eastern region and no one bats an eye, Russia steps in after continuous warnings for Kyiv to stop and all of a sudden everyone loses their mind".

I mean hell U.S dropped nukes on Japan after they attacked a harbor, and Russians are told that they overreacted by launching a special operation into Ukraine after 8 years of genocide.

Furthermore, as I stated before Putin has many options before doing a tactical strike, and if it comes to tactical strikes he has one that is not nuclear and one that is nuclear, the nuclear option is truly terrifying a hypersonic missile that has enough power to wipe out the entire English Isles with a singular rocket.

Before a nuke is even cast first Putin would use other methods first, and what America and Europe does not realize is that there is no win for them. NO WIN against Russia literally... Russians know what would happen if Europe and America get to take over, because Russians have experienced things that America and Europe has not. Additionally Russia won't allow a revolution to happen because in their memory it is so recent they won't allow it a second time.

So this is a game where America and Europe does not win in any scenario, the last resort will be taken which is a nuke strike against Ukraine if it comes to it. However, before that Putin would first use the none nuclear option but one that is just as powerful!

The nuclear threat is basically a notice for America and Europe, aka the "f around and find out" because Russia is not going to allow to have it get carved up via a revolution or a NATO + American invasion from all sides.

Plus lack of focus on China is truly alarming too which is a second grave mistake America and Europe is making too!

originally posted by: 3n19m470
a reply to: TritonTaranis
I HATE Ukraine. Our government cares so much about that scrap of dirt they've borrowed billions of dollars with interest just so it can remain in cabal hands for several more months. And we have to pay all that back. We could've just let Russia take their separatist regions that voted to leave and saved a lot of trouble.

Show me where the referendum was held at gunpoint or just admit your hate for Russia is above all else in your mind. Theres very high #s of Russians living there. They're being shelled by their own gov. Why wouldn't they want to leave the Urkaine?

Additionally, before Putin was forced to launch the special operation into Ukraine, take a guess at what happened?

During early - mid February of 2022, the representatives of Eastern Ukrainian regions came to Moscow to sign requests for Russia to accept their call for independence and want to break away from Ukraine itself, while also requesting protection from Russia. To which Putin and Russia said "Ok, we acknowledge your request and claim".

Take another guess at what happened next? The very same day and throughout the next day Ukrainians shelled the living hell out of those regions, knowing full well what the politicians of those regions went to Russia for and what was requested by them from Russia.

Furthermore, before the fighting escalated first the Russians moved troops into Lugansk and Donetsk regions, however after Kyiv was dumb enough to fire on them. It is no surprise Russia literally hit all Ukrainian military bases in the country and took the attack by Kyiv as a direct threat!

Not to mention before starting the operation and while having the troops stationed in Donetsk and Lugansk, Putin did a public vote that was televised which should have made Kyiv stop but instead they went "Pfft no". Putin gave everyone plenty of warning but the Ukrainian leadership showed time and time again that they are willing to throw their nation into hell just because Americans and Europe went "Hmm this Russia vs Ukraine could possibly work to make Russia collapse".

So I'm sorry to say this but if Ukraine is stupid enough to act that way, there is no right for them to play the victim role in this situation.

Also the bigger joke is people comparing Putin to Stalin or Hitler, honestly people these days clearly don't study history and we're all lucky that Putin is not like Hitler or Stalin. Because if he was we would not be having this conversation right now and most of Europe would have been having Katyusha playing through the streets, all while tanks are rolling down the streets outside of the Bundestag and through Arc de Triomphe right now.

So try not to compare the one with the other 2, also Putin as I mentioned before is very restrained and humane in comparison to those 2 or to what he could have done from the very start.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: shaneslaughta
a reply to: TritonTaranis

There would be no benefit for Russia to nuke the land that they are trying to reclaim unless all they desire is wasteland.
Russia won't do that.

I think Russia's real game here is not to storm and conquer. I believe its a war of attrition. Let a few "Stray" shells fly into hospitals and schools and throw in a nuclear plant for good measure.

Wear down the enemy's ability to fight and break their spirit and will. Maybe cut off their fuel supplies just in time for winter to hit and whatever is left of their morale will be utterly destroyed. Their capitulation will be assured.

Not really Europe has enough stock energy to get to 2024

In terms of attrition

HERE is what Russia is now sending to the front lines

What is this? Stalingrad? LMFAO

This war is over, hence the threats

This didn't age well did it....

BEFORE the Nordstream sabotage by the Americans, our heat prices have more than doubled, our electricity bills have nearly quadrupled since the same time last year.
We have already been warned that we should expect peak electricity to be doubled again by January 2023.

I'm barely holding up, making ends meet.

Destroying Nordstream made it 100% sure the prices will stay up. It's #ed up..... Yes Russia is bad and Putin is crazy. But Dementia Joe's act of destroying Nordstream is crazy!

a reply to: flice



By "Americans"?



Why make stuff up?

a reply to: WanderingMrM


"before Putin was forced to launch the special operation into Ukraine"



Forced?

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Besides the Jews in Ukraine were exterminated, who would want to go back?

No free Jew would want to live at the site of a holocaust massacre, specially after they created their own State and Nation of Israel.

With the help of friends...

So no Jews live in Poland or Germany anymore?

No Ukrainians live in russia anymore?



Want to rethink that one?

Have I made any such claim?

Yeah, you kinda did.

Kinda did?

Don't bother further explaining, I forgive ya

You might like this one, Jewish leaders are advising Jews to leave russia ASAP.

Meanwhile Israel sends support to Ukraine.




Jews know nazis when they see them, and they see them in russia, not Ukraine.

youtu.be...

A youtube video, very nice... I tried searching for that headline to "GET OUT now" but it only returned the same exact video on another tube site lol.

meanwhile...

Zelenskyy: Israel provided us with nothing

www.israelnationalnews.com...

Zelenskyy has been complaining about it for over two weeks in the MSM, seems everybody owes him something? besides there's probably more Jews in Russia.

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Besides the Jews in Ukraine were exterminated, who would want to go back?

No free Jew would want to live at the site of a holocaust massacre, specially after they created their own State and Nation of Israel.

With the help of friends...

So no Jews live in Poland or Germany anymore?

No Ukrainians live in russia anymore?



Want to rethink that one?

Have I made any such claim?

Yeah, you kinda did.

Kinda did?

Don't bother further explaining, I forgive ya

You might like this one, Jewish leaders are advising Jews to leave russia ASAP.

Meanwhile Israel sends support to Ukraine.




Jews know nazis when they see them, and they see them in russia, not Ukraine.

youtu.be...

A youtube video, very nice... I tried searching for that headline to "GET OUT now" but it only returned the same exact video on another tube site lol.

meanwhile...

Zelenskyy: Israel provided us with nothing

www.israelnationalnews.com...

Zelenskyy has been complaining about it for over two weeks in the MSM, seems everybody owes him something? besides there's probably more Jews in Russia.

Perhaps you missed that the Youtube video contained the highest Jewish authority in russia warning Jews to leave russia?

While also SUPPORTING Ukraine?

a reply to: iamthevirus


Perhaps you missed the Ukrainians shooting down iranian drones with Israeli weapons in the last couple weeks?

a reply to: WanderingMrM

We aren't debating about how things will turn out in the future though we are debating the present and past.

originally posted by: nancyliedersdeaddog
a reply to: WanderingMrM

We aren't debating about how things will turn out in the future though we are debating the present and past.

Yup and I am debating the pathetic blatant push of Europe and America closer and closer to Russia after the signed non-expansion agreement with Gurba (Gorbachev) as the Russians call him. Then religiously ignored Russian concerns through 3 consecutive leaders, then sweeping all war crime, genocide and other violations made by Ukrainian Nazi government under a rug.

I'm sorry to say friend but if the U.N and other organizations as such ignore the concerns of one major nation and prioritize the d sucking and a*s licking of the other then clearly what is happening is the direct result of failure and favoritism that played out.

None of this would have happened if Russia was allowed to be heard and actual concerns were reviewed and mutual agreements + terms were met. Instead over the last several decades this circle jerk of f bois kept painting Russia in a demonic like portrait and kept blatantly violating their right as a nation in the eyes of International Relations.

What is to come even sooner with China and Russia as a joint plan, was the direct cause of Europe and America pushing them both into a partnership and allied operations.

America is done and all those corporations are about to backstab the American people be taking all of their investments and dumping them into China. While Europe will eat itself from the inside, as we can already see the head of E.U threatening nations within their own Union that are against funding Ukraine further and want to re-establish friendly relation with Russia.

So we can debate all we want but Russia and China will come out on top, and the 20th Chinese Communist Party meeting is going to signal some real horrifying news for Europe and America.

originally posted by: Overseeall

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
If the regions do decide to be a part of Russia, I for one welcome the use of tactical nukes if they are attacked.

Sooner this special operation is complete the better.

And I say again that murderous scumbag zelenskyy needs to die.

Why, Russians not tough enough to get it done with resorting nuclear weapons?

Agreed, lets wrap this invasion up sooner rather than later. unfortunately, the use of nuclear weapons will be an escalation.

The dictator Putin should be on the block, not the comedian.

Yes Russians are tough enough but they literally have 30 countries against them. They have super powers supplying the enemy with billions in weapons. You telling me if when THE US was in Iraq and 30 countries started supplying Iraq with the world's best weapons they wouldn't start using threats? Don't be a hypocrite, the US has been encroaching Russia for 30 years and has 30 countries for back up.
Why couldn't the US go to Iraq by themselves? Where they not tough enough? Why the US need the help of 10 other countries to invade lil old Iraq?

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

Russia and China are going to show the world what happens when you mess with the natural order.

Also they keep calling Russia weak which is hilarious and interesting, and believe anything the media tells them about Russia or China.

Putin did say nukes are the last resort but not the first, so clearly there are things being planned and put into place that America and Europe are not prepared for.