The World Is A Stage - Ukraine/Russia & Nord Stream 2

So I've been thinking a bit outside the box regarding the Ukraine conflict lately, and cant help but wonder if there really is a "bigger picture" and is actually much more calculated then it may seem on the surface.

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*Going to try my best to frame this in a way that isn't too triggering*
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Generally accepted possible scenarios:
- A. Putin actually aims to overthrow and take-over Ukraine. (Western Media)
- B. Putin just wants to liberate oppressed, culturally Russian eastern Ukrainians. (Russian Media)
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*Clearly there are way more complexities and nuances than this but, generally, it seems people tend to lean one way or the other.*

This is actually very convenient because it opens up the possibility for an outcome where both sides "Win"
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What if the whole conflict was so complex and so nuanced, that the entire problem/reaction/solution was actually planned out way ahead of time; with the end-goal being the opening of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline at just the right moment, right when the European and UK energy crisis was at its breaking point.
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Why would Russia attack Ukraine right after the completion of the Nord Stream 2, knowing it would completely jeopardize their ability to activate it?

I used to think they were intentionally provoked at that key moment, hoping to prevent them from ever activating the pipeline.

Now I believe the situation could be much more layered and complex then that.

The most powerful groups in the world thrive on the global economy expanding and contracting; Covid being a great example of this: huge contraction followed by massive expansion. With every contraction/expansion wealth in compounded and exponentially increased.

Now we are are heavily contracting again, largely due to the energy crisis that is a direct result of the Russia/Ukraine Conflict.

Skipping a conflict between Russia and Ukraine, and just activating the Nord Stream 2 would be nice (for said groups), but it would be so much more beneficial (for said groups) to do the opposite.

Halt activation of Nord Stream 2 (for said reasons), completely cut off Nord Stream 1 (among other key pipelines) hence crippling the Euro/UK energy market to a point of near collapse. (contraction)

Then suddenly resolve the crisis and make an agreement which allows Nord Stream 2 to go live, thus solving the global energy crisis with the flip of a switch, and thereby propelling markets once again. (expansion)

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And each side gets to tell a victory story:

Russia gets to say they defeated the rogue, anti-russian paramilitary groups in Eastern Ukraine.

Ukraine gets to say they successfully defended against a Russian invasion.

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There is a very real possibility that this is all just wild speculation, as the west holds true to their ambition, and never lets Russia activate Nord Stream 2.


However..... If Nord Stream 2 does go live (sometime over the next 1-3 years) then my perspective, is that this is some straight up 'Highly sophisticated Geo-political 5D chess'

a reply to: SUBKONCIOUS

The real insight begins when you realise that the Russian and Ukrainian governments have a shared agenda and common puppet masters.

a reply to: SUBKONCIOUS

Historically the flat terrain of the Ukraine is a gateway (and the original heartland) to Russia, many invasions and attacks upon Russia have come from the west via this territory so if Putin was wanting to secure his borders and merely saw the Ukraine as a break away Russian territory then that is probably why he made the mistake of trying to take it over but extremely badly underestimated the will of the Ukrainians while pitting the Russians against them.

The worst thing is that it is an unnecessary war as both Russia and the Ukraine could have extremely benefited from closer ties while not dominating one another and had the Ukraine entered the EU (no matter what you think of the EU and it's Troika controlled and mostly unelected government system) then Russia could have had a special trade deal with the Ukraine if they had worked it out between themselves and given the appropriate bribes to the right people in Brussels (that is I believe how it really work's) this would have been a extreme money spinner for both the Ukraine and Russia as it would have acted like a gateway for Russian (and Chinese) trade to the west and EU trade to Russia and the of course China.

But small minded men like to dominate, they feel the need to have control and sadly this is the outcome.

But also remember everyone is wearing a grey hat in his, currently Russia's is pretty dark grey but they were not unprovoked though they did over react and thought they could do as they did with breakaway republic's to a huge nation populated with people that are arguably MORE Russian than themselves since Russia began in the Ukraine and spread east.

It's sad, woman - and Children - have been raped, family's wiped out, boy's forced to fight for there lives, conscripts sent to there death's and a hatred born that will truly last generations and probably never now heal between these two closely related people's.

Who gain's?.

a reply to: SUBKONCIOUS

Or if the entire thing was just orchestrated by all three leaders (America’s, Russia, Ukraine) to funnel huge amounts of money out of America, into the hands of some very bad people. With the sole desire of running America into the ground.

May not be too popular an opinion, but one that probably should be thrown out there anyways.

a reply to: StarsInDust

You are all forgetting that the Ukraine and Russia were about to sign a treaty to end this a few months ago , ceding Donbass and Crimea but then all of a sudden who stepped in to nix the whole deal? The UK.

The UK is the world's foster of wars since time immemorial.
Chinese Opium Wars
Boer War
US Revolutionary War
1812 War
Indian conflicts
Falklands War

etc etc etc

a reply to: chris_stibrany

Well Ok, are you saying that I should add UK to the mix? Because I will, I mean after all, there sure doesn't ever seem to be a shortage of bad guys around here.

in my humble opinion. USA as well. NATO HAS been expanding even if unofficially. My family member was working in Poland and Ukraine before the Maidan coup as a consultant. It's not coincidental.

There are no innocent parties in geopolitics.


a reply to: StarsInDust

To me it is as simple as this. NATO broke all of its promises in regard to the status of the Ukraine in regards to Russia. Ukraine got a bit too ballsy thinking that they had a big brother on their side that was so vicious they could do whatever they wanted on their borders. Russia got sick of it and played their hand. Who wins is anyone's guess at this point. They are both #holes but the good thing is that soon every country will be a #hole and so everything will be equal. Got to love you some socialisms!

More and more Russian politicians speak against Putin and want him off his post.
If we want to see things going back to "kind of" normal again, they need democratically and fairly vote a Abraham Lincoln type of character in that can unite the world again.

Well, seeing how the den of current Muppets within key political systems and their kids involved with Ukraine in the energy infrastructure and likely biolabs, I'd say this area has been studied, planned and manipulated for quite some time now.

When the new pipeline was about to go online, I saw biden act real quick on that and got it closed down and then the conflict was set off. It's very likely that it could be part of the rescue fantasy for Schwaub and their ilk to offer that golden solution once the peasants are softened up enough. I think once that kicks off they shore up in their retreats and let the hunger games play out in the cold and the dark.

I also think that Ukraine is being colonized as a new territory of Isreal. Zelenkadink has made mention to that outcome. In think they see the problem is that's is full of Ukrainians so I don't forsee peace in that region for some time unfortunately.

Big Isreal

a reply to: SUBKONCIOUS
Please go read about Nord stream 1 and 2. neither of these pipelines go anywhere near Ukraine so Ukraine has absolutely no say in the opening or shutting of the Nord Streams.


Let me give you an analogy of why the Nord Streams were turned off. Let me say I've been visiting you for a couple of years and every time I come you give me a can of beer. Then every time I come I punch you on the nose, after a couple of days you say "why do you punch me, I wont give you a can of beer now". THAT'S why the gas is turned off. Why would Russia sell you gas when you keep supplying money and materials to Ukraine against Russian interests?

originally posted by: greendust
To me it is as simple as this. NATO broke all of its promises in regard to the status of the Ukraine in regards to Russia. Ukraine got a bit too ballsy thinking that they had a big brother on their side that was so vicious they could do whatever they wanted on their borders. Russia got sick of it and played their hand. Who wins is anyone's guess at this point. They are both #holes but the good thing is that soon every country will be a #hole and so everything will be equal. Got to love you some socialisms!

Pretty much spot on as far as I can tell, all the interests in this were not playing fair and Russia is not the victim here though they were provoked.

If peace is ever to be made and everyone to walk away everyone's mistakes and the wrong's they are all guilty of have to be addressed and never repeated in this matter.

Sadly that is unlikely to happen as politicians are all dirt bag's east and west and north and south.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: SUBKONCIOUS
Please go read about Nord stream 1 and 2. neither of these pipelines go anywhere near Ukraine so Ukraine has absolutely no say in the opening or shutting of the Nord Streams.

Never said anything about the pipelines going near Ukraine, or Ukraine having a say about opening or shutting them down.

Germany was the entity that halted the Nord Stream 2, as a result of their recognition of Luhansk and Donetsk.

And Nord Stream 1 was shutdown down just like a week ago, supposedly because there was a leak in one of the turbines. Some sources speculate, however, that there actually might not be a leak and Russia is just using the shutdown as a strategic weapon.

Biden literally warned Russia there would be no Nord Stream 2 if they invaded Ukraine, they invaded anyway, putting an 11 Billion dollar investment completely at risk, hence part of the reason for my speculation.

www.theguardian.com...

www.bbc.com...

www.pbs.org...

The US just likes the EU being down in power. The EU and Russia having good (economical relations is a big threat for US power/dominance). Also that the Euro being used for trade more and more. (Iraq, Iran, Libya wanted to sell their oil in Euro's for example.
That's why they way before the war did everything in their power to stop the completion of NorthStream 2. Putting threats & sanctions against EU company's working on that pipeline and so those EU company's stopped working on them delaying it big time. And before that blaming Russia for everything, for example the reason Trump won.
But way before that in 2008 when EU banks went deep in those fake products from Lehman rated AAA, which costed the EU trillions. Just before 2008 the EU was bigger in gross national product! US rating agency's rating Greece as Junk investment. Nato is like the Trojan horse from the US in Europe as a way to do US wishes and where the EU always parade with it, feeling safe with it.
And before that following/supporting those US wars in the ME with millions of deaths and way more millions of refugees coming to Europe as a result/reward (they still coming on boats risking their lives from those country's which became hell on earth after those wars. And where we saw an explosion of terrorist coming into existence, even though it was a so called war against terrorists. Hell the US and the EU even supported terrorists trying to get rid of Assad in Syria. Note, the US still ocupy's the oil fields in Syria, steal their oil and even their grain (even though the people are starving there from hunger!).
But EU leaders are stupid following wars and sanctions and now even more so with stopping buying gas and oil from Russia, watch in 1 or 2 winters US rating agency's rating some EU country's as JUNK and the EU going down perhaps even as a whole as an economical power because of that.
Note, EU leaders don't care about their citizen, but at 1 point they MUST, we have it good still here still but soon we make change happen when enough people get poor or even starve. Of course China they (the US) want down as well it seems, just lets hope it doesn't end in WW3/nukes.

Also read this piece! I said it already in 2008 that the US is trying to make the EU weaker and everyone just laughed of course, and even now... but read this, RAND is funded by the US gov.
2ndsmartestguyintheworld.substack.com...

Pages from the RAND report are way below but before that good read/introduction.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: SUBKONCIOUS
Please go read about Nord stream 1 and 2. neither of these pipelines go anywhere near Ukraine so Ukraine has absolutely no say in the opening or shutting of the Nord Streams.


Let me give you an analogy of why the Nord Streams were turned off. Let me say I've been visiting you for a couple of years and every time I come you give me a can of beer. Then every time I come I punch you on the nose, after a couple of days you say "why do you punch me, I wont give you a can of beer now". THAT'S why the gas is turned off. Why would Russia sell you gas when you keep supplying money and materials to Ukraine against Russian interests?

Ukraine made alot of money from the transit of gas through the country.

That's why they didn't want nordstream to go ahead. That's why biden and son got involved.

originally posted by: Spacespider
More and more Russian politicians speak against Putin and want him off his post.
If we want to see things going back to "kind of" normal again, they need democratically and fairly vote a Abraham Lincoln type of character in that can unite the world again.

Probably WEF puppets.

That's if Putin isn't one himself...

a reply to: chris_stibrany

I'm sorry? The Falklands war was our fault?

Argentina invaded the Falklands mistakenly thinking we would not bother to do anything about it.

How wrong they were.

As are you.


"You are all forgetting that the Ukraine and Russia were about to sign a treaty to end this a few months ago , ceding Donbass and Crimea but then all of a sudden who stepped in to nix the whole deal? The UK."


Got a source for that?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Source as far as I can see has been scrubbed But if I am bovvered I will keep wasting my time to unbrainwash ukraine russia propaganda victims. FYI both sides are at fault.

RE falklands, you lot 'occupied' them first right?
Isn't that just like what Russia is doing, in your mind? Or is it different because the 'records' show they were uninhabited before Europeans came? Looks like the first settlement was French.

So should you be mad if the French tried to take it back?

Why not more so, the Argentinians?
After all it's in their territorial waters.