US Navy Admits it has More UAP Videos

a reply to: thethinkingman

I apologize for starting a serious, albeit limited discussion about physics. I’m not a physicist. I’ll do better in the future…😎

Or… Whatever they're doing, they're nimble enough and powerful enough to do this without direct aid from governments.

If these aliens started kicking some ass, we’d be some scared, frightened sons of bitches!
I mean, disemboweling child molesters, rapists… violent criminals on low and high levels… beheading war mongers…and evil politicians and greedy businessmen.

I bet if they did that, they would do it…with style.

One might then ask?
Why would they do that kind of violence and just not go on and take over and set things right?
Good question.
The answer to that probably is this:
They can only guide us to the level we understand or are on, which includes the above actions I describe.

Indeed, God, superior aliens, or whatever looks at all the new tech humans have, yet they don’t use it to heal the sick, feed the dirt-poor starving to death, clean up the dirty environment, punish the truly guilty, heal the wounds of the downtrodden, etc.

No, the leaders on the planet spend zillions on war machines and lavish living for the few, and they call it capitalism and freedom as if these people created the conditions that rendered them an opportunity to live lavishly. As if it were NOT either God or even chance that blessed them, not themselves.

No, what we do is cater to the billionaires and the elite, reject moral teachings of true love and goodness for “science,” and Hitelarian nationalism and sectarian religion when mostly there is the ignorance of my religion or country or the highway sectarian savagery, fundies form ALL RELIGIONS and narrow political persuasions.

We are a f____ed up species, there is no doubt, the question is, is this ufo phenomenon related to that cosmic problem of humanity?

I like your tenacity, but I still don't agree because we have multiple variables on Earth that would not be remotely like interstellar flight needs. Things that can be accidently attenuated in our atmosphere because we are a very special planet with a magnetic core. We have an electrified atmosphere. The solar system has "charged particles" from the Sun but only a few balls in her gravity field can process it into electricity.

It is ok if we agree to disagree. I like your posts.
a reply to: Mantiss2021

a reply to: fishingmd84

and after these things did what ever they did where did they go? we have satellite tracking that can track something across the world and out past the moon. I mean we can pick up paint chips in orbit so a 'tic tac' should have set off all sorts of bells and whistles.

Ever since the government disclosed its (very limited) UAP information months ago, I have had similar questions.

The reports have said that these "Intruders" have repeatedly harassed naval operations. It is not like the commanders of these exercises should have been surprised by their appearance, nor should they have been unprepared to confront them!

And as you pointed out, Where did these things go when they finished their "sorties"? Part of the military's preparation for expected future (perhaps, provoked?) confrontations should have included assets to track the UAP's back to their point of origin.

Furthermore, given that the military should have expected interference, based on past behavior, assets should have been put in place, including in orbit, to try to track the arrival of these objects.

But we are being left to believe, accept, not seriously question, that they simply Appear, apparently out of nowhere, perform extraordinary maneuvers in full view of the most advanced military on Earth, then, POOF!, they're gone.

And the government just shows its shoulders and says " Well, golly!"?

Not buying it.


Really praying I don't have to.

a reply to: CyberBuddha

the fact that the Nimitz crew and other Arleigh Burke Destroyers along with AT LEAST a HAWK EYE in the air after all this should have been the most imaged, scanned, EO systems, MM wave imaging etc

When they ask Fravers and his wingmen(and all the back seaters) if they were ARMED with LIVE munitions during the encounter, i assume to attack these objects.


get your jets were getting ready to go with their AIM-120's and sidewinders and Harpoon or 2 and the ships have MANY point defense systems that are VERY VERY good at stopping things. a SM-3 can get to orbit(way above 80k) and past it and hit a satellite moving at Mach 20 at least and when to objects going the different directions its a HUGE 40+ Mach collision

a reply to: CyberBuddha

unless the XO's and Captains of these boats stood down was because they were told to


i think what Fraver saw in his interaction was a SUB releasing these drones, there was a program that just kind of disappeared and it was for torpedo and VL tubes being able to launch killer drones or even have them come back to a surface ship.

if you have ever seen a sub go under really fast it looks like he described the water and the shadow in the frothing water


these are clearly some sort of drone


i also casually noticed that subs that only had one docking port for rovers/rescue they now have a few.


Russia was boasting they built a 3 lobed the whole cabin is Titanium and can go DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP and has all sorts of manipulators and maybe even a way to open a hatch to mess with the under see fiber cables to put a splitter in(tap) or cut them in a war

we have made a few of these smaller craft but they go deep and have arms and all sorts of other stuff



so one would thing that ANY UNKNOWS dropping from 80K ft to the ocean floor with no acceleration or deceleration, allegedly impossible


every ship in that group could have taken shots at them but didnt. The fact that these thing 'apparently' already knew the CAP point so that to me checks another box on this being some sort of test.


If someone broke the encryption of a US Naval ships out at will that would a HUUGE national security risk and put real people at risk

Don't forget what you are told. The story (ever since 2017) is not the original story that first appeared on ATS.

Here it is for those people who have aversions to clicking links. I've also emphasized certain parts. To show the differences.

....It all started in 2005 when I was onboard and attached to a naval aircraft carrier, I dont want to post any keywords ...let's just say the ship is a west coust ship. We were doing workups off the coast of mexico.

I work in the computer field and am high enough ranked and trusted to access thet top secret network onboard.

It was about 2300 when the ship went into a "security alert" for those that dont know what that is, its when nobody can move on the ship AT ALL. If you do you will be targeted as a threat and be taken out quickly by the master at arms.

I was asking my fellow co workers what was going on. Rumor was circling around in my department that there was a UFO above the ship. Of course naturally, i didnt believe it and was like "# you guys" (pretty much). Curiousity got me though, I logged on to the top secret computer network *NOTE! I edited the name of the network out due to a suggestion/safety* and did a search of our File Server drive for the most recent modified files. This scanned all users, regardless of rank. Nothing was hidden from me. I especially looked for new files and those that were modified around the time of the "sighting".

I found many videos and powerpoint breifs (navy standard) and written reports and even message traffic that was being passed through our radio division. It was all there. I couldnt believe it at first, but then our ship called in the Air Force because even the captain didnt know what the hell was going on.

I burnt all these files to a disk and stashed it somewhere, unfortunently I dont have it anymore....I've forgotten where i put it... though i think it might be out of state at a close relatives house...ugh...

well here is what the video was:

It was taken directly from the cockpit camera of one of our ships fighter pilot jets F-18 I believe but cant be sure. It was in black and white and showed the altitude, the pilots "nickname" and the tempurature and all those little critical stats.

The UFO was floating extremely still in mid air, this was 30,000 ft above ground level. It looked literally and i mean LITERALLY just like a disk, no stupid traingles or any gimicky things like Independence Day or whatever. It looks exactly how the goverment wants you to NOT think it looks like. It's simply put, a disk.

So it was floating, the figher pilot tried to get numerous locks on the UFO but everytime the cross hairs tried to hone in the crosshairs scaled back and forth. I dont know how to put it into words well, but I know what i saw. Crosshairs move in and move back out, it couldnt get a lock whatsoever.

After about I say 10 seconds or so the UFO started to move. It moves in ways that we have never seen before, it spontaniously moved in a half circle upward and paused once again. Then it suddenly teleported about five times all over the pilots screen. The movement is instant and cannot be followed. It simply put, is amazing and so fast the eyes cant see it.
There was a bright light and suddenly it dissapeared, out of sight.

The powerpoints though I cant recall the details, had all sorts of sonar and sonic charts to it. There was a map of the area and I know for a fact that all the names of the places where completely made up. Times and dates where in some weird code.

In conclusion, this is all i have to contribute to the truth of UFO's. I read alot of other posts and stories and can tell you first hand that most of it, if not 90 percent of it is bull#. Though I dont have any "above top secret" credentials or background, but I am in the NAVY and I do know what i had my hands on and saw.


Observations of an Actual UFO

That was posted up on Feb 3rd 2007.

However just a day later (actually 23 hours give or take a few minuted) that story had changed dramatically.

As promised this story is the real deal. So go on and make your own thoughts and decisions about this.

The video you are about to see seems to be a FLIR-hud-vision captured by one of the jets, that were sent out to intercept the unknown object. The materials we (me and one other ATS member who wished to remain nameless) used for this analysis/post were this video, an event-log and a power-point-presentation, but the information included in there has not been worked out yet.The files we have can be released on demand.


RECALL OF AN EVENT LOG OF A SHIP OF THE US-NAVY FLEET
This is the video here and these are the events happened.

Date 14 November 2004

Two interceptor fighters were directed to a certain location, where an unknown object has been spotted at 160@40NM (N3050.8 W11746.9). The fleet informed the intercepting jets that the object was moving at 100 KTS @ 25 KFT ASL.

The jets could not find any object at that location. While the jets were searching for the air contact, they spotted a large object in the water at 1430L. The pilots saw steam/smoke/churning around the object. The pilot described the object initially as resembling a downed airliner, he also stated that it was much larger than a submarine.

A jet descended down from 24KFT to gain a better view of the object in the water. The jet then spotted an air contact, it appeared to be a capsule shaped (wingless, mobile, white, oblong pill shaped, 25-30 feet in length, no visible markings and no glass) 5 NM west from the object in the water.

The capsule passed under the jet at 4KFT at course 300. the jet turned to acquire the capsule.
While the jet was descending and turning the capsule began climbing and turned inside of the jets turn radius. The pilot estimated that the capsule achieved 600-700 KTS. The jet could not keep up with the rate of turn and the gain of altitude by the capsule. The jet then lost visual on the capsule in haze. Last visual contact was at 14KFT, capsule heading due east.

Neither of the two jets could achieve radar lock or any other means of positive id.
The other jet was flying high cover and saw the engagement by the other jet, this jet confirms visual id of the capsule and the other jet chasing it. Both jets lost contact in haze.

The time has come for the truth to be revealed. There is a saying which goes like this:

3 THINGS CANT BE HIDDEN FOR LONG. THE SUN, THE MOON AND THE TRUTH - ~UNID~

Fighter Jet UFO Footage: The Real Deal

Both of those posts came from the original alleged leaker of the FLIR video. Ten years before TTSA went public with it.

Why do the two stories vary so much?

Dates, times and even descriptions of the events are not consistent.

And despite investigation, the US Navy claimed that they were unable to trace the leaker of the said video. Even though a number of ATS members did so and have personal details.

Either the Navy really is incompetent, the videos just aren't important, or something else was afoot.

a reply to: fishingmd84
Hell with Titanium they wouldn't need a hatch but to keep the equipment from being knocked off. The sub would not have to compromise hull integrity to have a small outside hatch that was designed to not be air tight but just to hold equipment. I would suspect cleaning of such equipment to be a pain in the butt. We were real good at cleaning our equipment OR ELSE when I served. Otherwise, the concept of using equipment at major depth would only require being able to get the sub to the proper depths. That IDK for sure, but I do suspect they are probably capable of doing that.

a reply to: mirageman

Either the Navy really is incompetent, the videos just aren't important, or something else was afoot.

Well, you know what I believe....something else was and is afoot( in the ufo community's hind part)

In 2007, that may have been an info gathering operation to see how it would catch on through the ufo community, and the 2017 exposure and TTSA coming out was a second attempt to get it out, gauge, or jinn up interest. So, in 2007 they realized ufology is practically dead, and it looks like it's still really dead, despite the TTSA saga of BS.

They didn’t value these weak little videos security-wise, so they used them for this operation twice.

The TTSA operation and the original 2007 were separate operations but may be related to the information they wanted to get about ufo interest.

Strange, the media, ufo or not, rarely or never mentions the early coming out of the 2007 incident on ATS and that other German site.


I seriously doubt the US Navy is this stupid.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Ya know…..for the life of me…I can’t find it in my archive of UFO related stories etc….

Perhaps one of you Old Timers here at ATS or elsewhere, but I remember reading how UFO’s were caused to crash over New Mexico or Arizona…. by our Radars output frequencies and amplitudes. Literally they fell out the sky. True? …. I don’t know. If I could just find that story.

Anyway, below is a clip from the movie Earth Vs. The Flying Saucers in 1956.

Although SYFI … it loosely shows a method of bringing down Flying Saucers based on a dish and emitter apparatus.

Could something like this (larger in scale) be made to lock on the speeds of a UAP and disrupt the propulsion forces of UFO/UAPs? Using Focused EMP waves, etc.?

Science Fiction to Science Fact?

Jus thinkin…..

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imgur.com...

The above image is titled "White Sands, NM 1947 Experimental Radar"

Notice how similar they are to the Military weapons displayed in your movie clip.

I suspect this has something to do with Maj. Donald Keyhoe being a consultant to this movie as shown in the credits.

In 1947 the new more powerful Monopulse radar was in use at select Military bases since since these units were hard to come by at that time.

As opposed to the previous wide band weaker radar, Monopulse used a narrow beam which was much more powerful.


Documents from 1947 state that during one incursion to a Military base by a formation of silver UFOS "it was noted that the new radar appeared to cause one of the craft to deviate from it's flight path."

(Ask any Blue Angel pilot what happens if you deviate from your plight path when in flying in formation.)


I'm sure when Commanders got wind of this news their reply was "Oh REALLY???" and immediately ordered all monopulse radar units to be upgraded to the highest power available in an attempt to bring one of these things down.

a reply to: Justoneman

i was thinking all-day what they area called

bathyspheres


the only holes in them is the door.


image 3 balls smushed together but long enough foe a small crew and a nuclear plant and other electrical equipment and lock out stuff and manipulator arms/devices

a reply to: A51Watcher

Yes…..I knew Keyhoe was a consultant…..but I didn’t make the connections you did, to the similarities of the contraptions both on film and real life!

There was a basis in fact as it turns out.



Thx

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a reply to: A51Watcher

i bet if you could figure the exact way these things fly you might be able to use some type of DEW to disrupt it to the point of bringing it down or shooting it down


the new radars on aircraft like the F35 and the navy's new fighter F/A-XX will likely have a similar but more powerful radar, the type of radar they use can be pin pointed and even burn out SAM radars physically

these ufo's likely are very sensitive to the mode in witch the operate so disrupting them a tiny bit might throw it off kilter to the point of crashing

a reply to: A51Watcher

Here’s some reference……

Invention and Initial Development of Monopulse Radar

If I read it correctly…..the physical description of the radar is just about what’s pictured in the White Sands pic

Interesting read…….

Also here is the patent filed in 1947 but granted in 1960 due to security considerations.

SIMULTANEOUS LOBE COMPARISON, PULSE ECHO LOCATOR SYSTEM

If these contraptions on steroids can disrupt a UFO in flight as a side effect byproduct of there normal functions …….then we should mount these on Toyota and F-150’s pickups…… 😆 Much like Iraqis mount machine guns on the beds of hordes of Toyota pickups 🥴. I’m being factious of course about the Pickup’s part.

What’s the referenced source of this statement……”it was noted that the new radar appeared to cause one of the craft to deviate from it's flight path”….??

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Here’s another story of purported UFO crashes in Kingman AZ in 1953 allegedly caused by Radars.

The overall story is IFFY……..

The fact that Radars are even mentioned as the (possible) cause of the crashes……is yet another example of using radars to disable UFO’s, if not for real, then at least theoretically, hypothetically, conceptually, possible imo.

The story is told by George Take-A-Knapp and “UFO Historian” Harry Drew.

I-Team: Kingman UFO incident in 1953 followed Nevada explosions; radar blamed


Ok …. So I’ve beaten the whole Radar horse to death already…….my point of the using radars to bring down UFO’s have been mentioned for several UFO incidents going way back. I can’t believe we can’t take down UFO’s at this point in time with radar type systems while they are in flight.

Perhaps the U.S. Government is just too scared.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

I am not convinced that radar was bringing down UFOs in the 40s and 50s. We don't even know what these UFOs represented for a start.

But during WWII American Physicist, David T. Griggs was asked to investigate the foo fighter mystery. He claimed the Japanese had developed “ray beam” technology that could stop engines at short range.



Excerpt from : UFOs and Government: A Historical Inquiry - By Michael Swords, Robert Powell


If, as that short snippet claimed, this technology was shipped to the US and studied then what were the results? I have never been able to find anything else about this.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

I am not convinced that radar was bringing down UFOs in the 40s and 50s. We don't even know what these UFOs represented for a start.

But during WWII American Physicist, David T. Griggs was asked to investigate the foo fighter mystery. He claimed the Japanese had developed “ray beam” technology that could stop engines at short range.

Excerpt from : UFOs and Government: A Historical Inquiry - By Michael Swords, Robert Powell


If, as that short snippet claimed, this technology was shipped to the US and studied then what were the results? I have never been able to find anything else about this.

Perhaps it was this…….

Ku-Go. Japan’s top-secret weapon inspired by Tesla’s “Death Ray”

From WWII ….Fast forward to 1947…..and then onward…….it’s conceivable that the Japanese Ku-Go version was the most promising to continue to develop into having weapons capability.

It could have went into the Black Projects arena…..imo.

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What if there are no aliens and were all alone in the universe. I think its human desire for company that cant cope with this idea. But no matter the truth there are secrets hidden from the public in almost every govt on earth that's a certainty and to deny that is like saying the sky doesn't exist yet you can see it with your own eyes. There are reasons beyond public hysteria why things are kept secret and hidden, sadly not everyone wants to get along in this world someday that might change until it does even with the so called political correctness of everything today there are still countries that want to take resources from others regardless if that means legally starting investments in that country or getting people voted in govt with interests outside of their own citizenship.

a reply to: A51Watcher

LOL if they were really like that we'd have little to worry about, would make great home videos though. Ah, home videos for physics graduates perhaps, good late night viewing. Look bob there goes another.

When UFO's become pests rather than oddities.

a reply to: mammothtank

Just looking at the James Webb images how can you not believe there is no other life out there? The images are just jaw dropping and the endless amount of galaxies that we are finding its just mid blowing thinking about what other types of life forms wether they are intelligent, plant like or maybe dinosaur like creature . Just use your imagination and its quite likely that life may exist.