US Navy Admits it has More UAP Videos

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

OK.

...The memo mentions, if anything else, a possible method, a possible solution, in concept….on how to possibly deal with UFO’s ….to disable them in flight. That alone, and the mere thought that someone, hoaxer or not, actually conceptualized the radar, focused beam, microwave etc…method is worth pursuing for the DOD etc. imo.

The concept of beamed energy weapons date sometime before the middle of the 20th century.

The DoD have already pursued it.

The Pentagon Has Tested A High-Power Microwave System

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

OK.

...The memo mentions, if anything else, a possible method, a possible solution, in concept….on how to possibly deal with UFO’s ….to disable them in flight. That alone, and the mere thought that someone, hoaxer or not, actually conceptualized the radar, focused beam, microwave etc…method is worth pursuing for the DOD etc. imo.

The concept of beamed energy weapons date sometime before the middle of the 20th century.

The DoD have already pursued it.

The Pentagon Has Tested A High-Power Microwave System

Thanks….. that’s great to know that technology has come farther along to possibly include disabling UAP’s/UFO’s although not directly mentioning a path as such by name in the article 😉

We’ll get to some form of this, in some scale, eventually if not already there in the black projects world….



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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Radar is simply a utilization of a microwave beam reflected off an object to detect range, size, and speed.

Microwaves are nothing more than radio waves within a certain range of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Any craft traversing space, most certainly interstellar (not to mention, intergalactic) space would, as a constant occurrence, encounter EM emissions magnitudes beyond anything humans have been able to generate, certainly as that ability existed back in the 1940's and 1950's. There would be EM bursts across the entire spectrum, generated by stars tens, hundred, even thousands of times larger and more powerful than our sun, to survive.

To believe that such a craft could survive that kind of environment, only to arrive at Earth and be knocked out of the air by something a bunch of naked apes who hadn't yet even figured out how to sustain a fusion reaction, is beyond ludicrous.

a reply to: Justoneman

Quantum movement? Light is a quantum phenomenon. "quantum mechanics" is simply a measure, its an attempt to look at everything at a granular level, to split energy into its smallest fractions.

You understand that "time" is the movement of energy? Thats what we're measuring...energy moving or changing state. You can't have something react ahead of energy itself, its still here. Energy cant go ahead of all other reactions waiting in "nothingness" for all other energy to catch up....no, that energy is apart of all of this and it would simply just move faster or interact faster.

The reason why light is the fastest thing is because essentially "space" is literally made from the fields that come out of matter itself, all of space is filled with light. Any matter has a field radiating out of it, ahead of itself. When you try to squeeze matter into one area of space, it either repels or attracts but you can't have 2 overlapping objects in the exact same space. This is why if you go back to the "big bang" energy is condensed and so....EXPLODES apart with the greatest fury that can ever exist....the matter needs to have space to become certain things, like stars and planets.

You can't make a material travel through space faster than light, ONLY light can go that fast and if you try to accelerate anything to the speed of light it will disintegrate or become light. If you travel at these speeds and you interact with any object.....things happen.

Light is altered by what it collides with aswell as EVERYTHING. There is no such thing as nothingness, there is only energy and its all one thing. It can never end, it changes forever. There is no escape.

If you can't understand by now a "person" or a "spaceship" is made of LOTS of bits of energy much more than say 1 photon or many photons, so saying yeah light can travel fast....but a person NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER CAN.

An object that you could see NEVER EVER EVER EVERRRRR CAN. You can't make a massive object like something the size of car travel as fast as light, EVER.

Much is said about UFO’s crashing and attempts to reverse engineer them….most pronounced is their propulsion systems……….however, not much have I’ve seen or read….that mentions reverse engineering possible onboard craft Weapon systems.

Are we horse blinded into not delving into Alien offensive/defensive systems?

I’m reminded of the purported incident of a film crew filming a missile/rocket where an object comes into frame, does some maneuvering around the nose cone area and then is filmed shooting some type of beam causing the missile/rocket to be destroyed. Whether true or false…..it opens the questions to UFO’s having offensive/defensive systems onboard their craft.

Wouldn’t it makes sense that Aliens would have tactical options, in addition to using speed of flight for evasive and avoidance defensive means?

Back to purported crashed UFO’s….besides propulsion systems…..I would think weapons systems would actively be reversed engineered.

We would have (beam?) weapons systems based on their weapons systems, to counter their own weapons systems.

Don’t need to be a genius to be able mimic something……the Chinese have been doing it for decades.

Personally….any manned trips to the moon or mars should include defensive weapons of some sort, in case the olive branch diplomacy fails in encounters with other beings possibly.

Even benevolent Aliens wouldn’t take chances with a race of beings never before encountered.

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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: thethinkingman

No matter how advanced something is, it cant change the physical properties of energy. Even in 800000000 zillion years time, light will still be the fastest thing that exists because it the literal limit in which an electric field can change state.

At one time the telegraph was the fastest form of communication until we discovered a faster way , the speed of light is slow , too slow for space travel so a faster method needs to be found , or perhaps has been found by many of the older spacefaring Civilisations out there.

The trick is finding the trick.

Exactly how I feel. Thanks for being cutting edge on this Gortex! I love your thread ideas. We need to find common ground places like here away from politics.

originally posted by: schuyler
Here's what has happened:

Greenewald: I know you have video. Admit you have videos!
US Navy: OK. We have videos.
Greenewald: I demand you release them!
US Navy: No.

Greenewald can pound sand as much as he wants, but the FOIA makes a clear exception to stuff that "would harm national security" and in this case it is the Navy that decides whether it does or not, not Greenewald.

You're absolutely right. Although I don't defend excess secrecy, it's not our job to determine what's a security secret and what isn't. It may be a very good reason for them to hide things. I never was too gung-ho on secrecy one way or the other since any national government can basically do what they please, regardless of what we want. I always felt those Nimitz TIC TAC videos were hardly a smoking gun, and there may be things they deem right to hide for whatever reason, as they seemed to not give a damn about the Nimitz exposures.

In space the effects of microwaves would be minimal since there would be very few objects to be able to crash or have alter the course. The people inside would be more exposed to potential effects of the wavelengths of energy for instance, but the ship would maintain course in most cases. In an atmosphere with gravity pretty heavy as Earth would have to be compared to space, those waves mean something else dynamically. The likely effects would be stronger with other physics involved. So, the logic of all that was perhaps not considered by that theory you have?

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Radar is simply a utilization of a microwave beam reflected off an object to detect range, size, and speed.

Microwaves are nothing more than radio waves within a certain range of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Any craft traversing space, most certainly interstellar (not to mention, intergalactic) space would, as a constant occurrence, encounter EM emissions magnitudes beyond anything humans have been able to generate, certainly as that ability existed back in the 1940's and 1950's. There would be EM bursts across the entire spectrum, generated by stars tens, hundred, even thousands of times larger and more powerful than our sun, to survive.

To believe that such a craft could survive that kind of environment, only to arrive at Earth and be knocked out of the air by something a bunch of naked apes who hadn't yet even figured out how to sustain a fusion reaction, is beyond ludicrous.

I am saying Quantum IS MOVEMENT, how fast it goes is way faster than light. It is movement.
"an object can seemingly be in two places at one time. Based on our observations we have seen some evidence in the studies on photons that suggest we will be able to move solid objects like in Star Trek in an instant. Perhaps Warp speed maximum is super high when you use Quantum devices.

The future of snap your fingers and you are there like in I Dream of Jeannie or the Bewitched TV shows is seemingly near. Perhaps another clue that the "end times are near" theory is spot on.

originally posted by: thethinkingman
a reply to: Justoneman

Quantum movement? Light is a quantum phenomenon. "quantum mechanics" is simply a measure, its an attempt to look at everything at a granular level, to split energy into its smallest fractions.

You understand that "time" is the movement of energy? Thats what we're measuring...energy moving or changing state. You can't have something react ahead of energy itself, its still here. Energy cant go ahead of all other reactions waiting in "nothingness" for all other energy to catch up....no, that energy is apart of all of this and it would simply just move faster or interact faster.

The reason why light is the fastest thing is because essentially "space" is literally made from the fields that come out of matter itself, all of space is filled with light. Any matter has a field radiating out of it, ahead of itself. When you try to squeeze matter into one area of space, it either repels or attracts but you can't have 2 overlapping objects in the exact same space. This is why if you go back to the "big bang" energy is condensed and so....EXPLODES apart with the greatest fury that can ever exist....the matter needs to have space to become certain things, like stars and planets.

You can't make a material travel through space faster than light, ONLY light can go that fast and if you try to accelerate anything to the speed of light it will disintegrate or become light. If you travel at these speeds and you interact with any object.....things happen.

Light is altered by what it collides with aswell as EVERYTHING. There is no such thing as nothingness, there is only energy and its all one thing. It can never end, it changes forever. There is no escape.

If you can't understand by now a "person" or a "spaceship" is made of LOTS of bits of energy much more than say 1 photon or many photons, so saying yeah light can travel fast....but a person NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER CAN.

An object that you could see NEVER EVER EVER EVERRRRR CAN. You can't make a massive object like something the size of car travel as fast as light, EVER.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

I recall that the story about microwaves taking down ufos in the 40s may be from Corso and that group. I heard it from the conspiracy side but admittedly can’t recall exactly where.

But it’s a conspiracy theory; I recall not anything based on facts.

a reply to: Justoneman

In either scenario, the "waves" would detrimentally impact the vehicle's propulsion system.

In space, though lacking local gravitational bodies (irrespective of planets, many of which by observation are multiple times the mass, and thus gravitational consequence, of Earth, and other stars, many of which are at least hundreds of times the mass of our sun) that impact would leave a susceptible vehicle marooned in the void.

And, again, you fail to consider that the energies an interstellar craft would regularly encounter in transit far exceed anything Earth, even now, would be capable of generating.


To put it in perspective;

If your armor is sufficient to withstand the force of a direct nuclear hit, a pea spit by truant 3rd grade miscreant isn't going to phase you.


Gravity and atmosphere are two inconsequentials to a vehicle that has conquered the gap between stars.

You could call it God, or the Galactic federation, or the Men in Black or Great white brotherhood, or whatever; what we have to accept or consider is that these ufo/alien phenomena or lore may indicate the fantastic possibility that these apparent (it appears relatively) omnipotent beings behind ufos ( “aliens” or otherwise) do have some kind of strong arm on the governments of the world and therefore are hiding something, and so the governments have no choice in hiding it.

That’s not a theory I’m proposing, but it’s possible.

a reply to: Justoneman

no, energy changing state is MOVEMENT. QUANTUM is just a name for a single piece, a single quanta. The smallest piece of energy you can make something.

your thoughts are a quantum phenomenon, operating at the quantum scale. Everything is made of tiny pieces....reality is at its most detailed...its operating on the quantum scale and all other scales. All at once, right now and to get to the "next moment" ...energy has to change state and "move".

"yesterday" was the energy that exists right now except it was organised differently and you can never rearrange ALL QUANTA'S of energy to be as it was "yesterday" ever. Its literally impossible. Every single "moment" in "time" is completely unique because all energies properties are based on the OVERALL interactions of all energy and thats down to the singular spin of a singular electron 90 trillion miles away, its affecting this and so is everything.

The reason why light is used as the measure of "time" is because its the fastest reacting thing that can exist. You can't make something change state faster than light. Saying "quantum can move WAY faster than light", just saying it, that makes no sense if you actually understand what you're talking about.

There is no such thing as INSTANT, because things are made of energy and to "change" they have to lose or gain energy which CONSTANTLY happens. There is a LITERAL limit of energy as in "speed", as in "quantity", you can't have something that is infinitely fast and infinitely large because it requires more and more and more energy endlessly, which is literally impossible because you cannot create energy, there is a fix quantity forever.

Everything that happens has to make do with the energy that exists. When something "impossible" happens the first place you wanna check is your imagination.

The imagination can make impossible things seem possible so very easily, we can think things that reality can never ever do because all our thoughts are in the form of memory and we have a special ability of linking different memories together and our brain sort of "plays" what the outcome of that is, so you can easily think things like jumping to the moon from your seat in one leap.

Our brain is capable of seeing what is possible and also...all of the things that are absolutely not possible. Having a grasp of what you're actually thinking and talking about requires effort. I dont think you should be trying to convince people to change their mind when you've barely thought about what you're saying.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
National Security issue?. If there are Aliens from another world visiting us It's a Global security issue.

Gubberment source: "Oh, btw, All you see around you is the result of an experiment from a superior species and it's been going on for millennia. They are vastly superior to us. They are our creator"

aaaaaand, the world loses its #.

Possibly here is a story I stumbled across and I don't recall ever seeing it before, but I knew of Carter's interest in UFOs and of his alleged sighting. Not saying this did or didn't happen, but it is interesting to go "what if".

www.reddit.com...

Ive been looking for that for weeks

Massive thanks i read that and a feew days later though oh i need to dig abit more on that but forgot the Reddit thread/post NICE ONE

a reply to: gortex
Very few people come even close to understanding what recognizing the meaning of those strange bodies in our skies. I hate to again quote some famous words from the classic movie A Few Good Men, but 99 per cent of the ATS crowd "...Can't handle the truth...."
The human ability of cognitive dissonance won't allow them to accept that humanity, in our current sorry stage of materialism at any cost, is doomed. The ETs are (probably again) here to remake us to do what we cannot do for ourselves.

They are not our enemies. They are here to rescue us from ourselves. To their own purposes, they are here to lead us into the galaxy of intelligent, fully conscious beings. On the largest view, destroying all human life on Earth would be a quick fix for the continuing safety of other residents of the galaxy, but life, consciousness, has a value in the Universe.

Many people in our present world civilization think nothing of killing our own kind, whether within our own bodies or on the fields of battle for the sake of our physical wants and desires. Such actions are not led by consciousness but personally selfish by either one or many.

The ETs represent age-old values that have been test through the ages from planet to planet, star to star as the true right and wrong of the Universe. Call it a religion if you wish but a conscious being can recognize it even if having been shown the way.

I maintain that the ETs, through their working with governments, NGOs, and other agencies are here to repair humanity and/or let it destroy itself. The Deep State is only one aspect of those actions. Those actions can be called the bring of Cosmic Law to all Earth.

a reply to: thethinkingman

Quantum entanglement can’t be explained by the “slow” speed of light. There is something that connects entangled objects instantaneously even if they’re at the far ends of the universe. But don’t worry, even Einstein was bothered by it and called it spooky.

It would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate any mass to the speed of light. But what about the possibility that the craft simply travels on a higher dimension and then drops into our dimension at will? Our measurement scale (i.e. light years) means nothing for a craft capable of traveling inter-dimensionally. You can think of it as a wormhole taxi…

a reply to: gortex

as former military it is such a stretch for me to believe that they don't have older gun camera footage and newer EO imagery and SAR imagery of these objects at the VERY least

we haven't seen the radar tapes for the video taken on the ship that day. where is the FULL cockpit video? they were just doing simple combat exercises and CAP meet ups nothing to secret there as far as showing video from a jet you already released video from.

i want to see what is on the RADAR screen, i HIGHLY doubt they dropped from 80K FT and just stopped above the water and they don't have at the very least electrical and radar system info/imagery of these craft in crisp HD not some blurry downgraded FLIR video

i want to see a non FLIR image of these things, otherwise we are TOLD they act this and that way but no one has provided any sort of proof that would back that up

CMDR Fravr said he say it bouncing around like a ping pong ball in a cup where is that sensor info?


and after these things did what ever they did where did they go? we have satellite tracking that can track something across the world and out past the moon. I mean we can pick up paint chips in orbit so a 'tic tac' should have set off all sorts of bells and whistles.


If i were in the command center and saw dozennnns of high speed objects heading for my carrier group picked up at 80K FT i would assume it is an attack and i would bet the skipper of that boat did, remember they asked what their load out was, meaning could they if required shoot one of these things down.


to say there is more footage is like saying water is wet

a reply to: peaceinoutz

I agree with you. Everybody hoping for disclosure from the governments keeps forgetting that the Alien presence always has that option, but chose not to land on the White House lawn.

a reply to: CyberBuddha

No, nothing happens instantly, not even entanglement.

Its not that light is slow, its that the maximum totality of all energy is absolutely huge, this is only the beginning of this sequence of the universe. You are tiny but our brain is capable of things that 99.99999999999999999% of all materials cant do, the entire stuff of the universe has no idea anything is happening...but you do. You know more than every single star that exists combined.

What you're confusing is the interactions of fields that we're not very familiar with, they're all interacting at the scales of a person it seems "instant" but at the scales of the universe, you can watch the interactions take place like 1 domino knocking into another and see very far away that other dominos are yet to move from those on coming reactions.

This idea of "higher dimensions" doesnt exist, theres technically only 3 dimensions physically because energy radiates in 360 degrees, as in if you tried to put energy at any place in space that would take 360 degrees in 3 dimensions.

Also you couldnt take some material and alter it in the ways you're trying to describe. if there was a "higher" energy form, its interaction would have to be influencing this "lower" level of energy or it couldnt interact and you couldnt interchange between the two.

You cannot be ahead of the reactions of "now", you can't "skip time", you can't just appear from one part of the room or space and then be in another part with zero interactions with the energy inbetween, as in "instant". Thats just imaginary.

The only way you can travel very far without actually travelling is by being born. For example, you felt like you instantly emerged here even though billions of years of interactions happened prior to that to make "you" be able to be "here". You are a manifestation that arises from the atoms when the atoms are specially organised.

So if dna exists or something that assembles "life forms" out of energy such as atoms, where ever that is, if some atoms are organised as in "born" and thats "you", that will seem "instant". It doesnt matter if it took nearly infinite time to occur, to "you" it would seem instant, "you" could be born as a ridiculous alien spider thing 900 quintillion years from now and it would seem like "no time" but all of the interactions had to occur, "you" just weren't there.

There is another simple way of explaining it, lighter things travel "faster" than heavy things, as in less energy can be propelled faster than more energy, so something the size of a person can never EVER travel as fast as a photon, ever.

a reply to: fishingmd84

I forgot his name, but there is testimony from the radar operator on the ship. He also mentions how the skipper reacted to the UFO threat.

It is all very confusing and defies how I thought the Navy would respond to unknown objects trailing a carrier group.