Nord Stream has been suspended indefinitely

a reply to: carport
AUGUST 25, 2022
Canada to return 5 remaining Nord Stream turbines to Germany

originally posted by: Antisocialist
a reply to: gortex

He may just say F Europe and build new pipelines into China and India instead.

The roll back has started.

Russia's Gazprom (GAZP.MM) said it would ship 42.7 million cubic metres (mcm) of natural gas to Europe through Ukraine on Saturday, hours after it announced that flows through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline to Germany would not resume as planned.

Flows via the Sudzha entry point were up slightly compared to the 41.3 mcm Gazprom sent on Friday, but not enough to compensate for missing gas that were expected to be pumped through Nord Stream 1 on Saturday.
www.reuters.com...

Putin needs gas sales as much as the EU needs gas.

originally posted by: xpert11

originally posted by: gortex
I doubt it will be suspended indefinitely , Putin plays his games.

However, the combination of Germany's electoral system (MMP) that might give leverage to the anti-nuclear/pro-Putin crowd and vested commercial/political interests are stumbling blocks.

However, as it stands right now, the Pro-Putin crowd is pro nuclear power (right wing and others) and the Anti-Putin crowd (green) is also anti-nuclear. Only the marxist/left, which is 5-10% of the voters, are the ones are pro Putin and anti-nuclear power. :-)

originally posted by: Grimpachi
I haven't really looked into their price caps. Were those caps only applying to Russian gas or did they apply to all gas imports? Did they protect the consumer or just the govt?

None of the above, because the price cap is only for russian OIL, not gas. :-)

They were patting themselves on the back saying that they had filled up 80% of their reserves already. I seriously doubt they thought they would need to start using those reserves this soon though.

It is actually 85% as of today, the goal was 85% by 1st October and 95% by 1st of November. The storage will then last, without any supply, for about 2 months. But since there is still supply left (Netherland, Norway, LNG, etc.), it will decrease the storage useage.

The NOAA forecasts a mild winter for western Europe with temperatures about 1-3 degrees Celsius above average, similar to last year - if this becomes true, the stock, along with the running supply, will be sufficient, else a problem will arise from ca. February on (the usual heating period ends on 1st April, though).

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originally posted by: DerBeobachter
a reply to: carport
AUGUST 25, 2022
Canada to return 5 remaining Nord Stream turbines to Germany

Right, all in all there are 12 turbines. 5 allegedly in Canada, 1 definitely in Germany and 1 is actually working (until 4 days ago) in the pumping station in Russia. 4 are "spare" turbines and 1 is unaccounted for in my summation (probably a spare one too).

So, Russia should have 6 working turbines, which was explicitely confirmed yesterday also by the turbine producer and maintainer SIEMENS ... well, unless Russia has used parts of those for other means and disabled them ...

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: Antisocialist
a reply to: gortex

He may just say F Europe and build new pipelines into China and India instead.

The roll back has started.

Russia's Gazprom (GAZP.MM) said it would ship 42.7 million cubic metres (mcm) of natural gas to Europe through Ukraine on Saturday, hours after it announced that flows through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline to Germany would not resume as planned.

Flows via the Sudzha entry point were up slightly compared to the 41.3 mcm Gazprom sent on Friday, but not enough to compensate for missing gas that were expected to be pumped through Nord Stream 1 on Saturday.
www.reuters.com...

Putin needs gas sales as much as the EU needs gas.

Just to see the dimensions: The additional gas that has been promised to be sent through the Ukraine will be just 4% (at the end, North Stream 1 transported 20% of the contracted amount).

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
I hope they completely cut off all supplies to europe, before winter.

Pay back.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Nothing washes away partisanship more efficiently than being cold and hungry.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
I hope they completely cut off all supplies to europe, before winter.

Pay back.

I don't. Their leaders would more likely be drawn and quartered before that happens with this in your face type of sedition the European Fascists are doing to their own people.

a reply to: Justoneman

People in warmer Mediterranean climates are better placed to cope with energy shortages. But the populations in northern Italy and Norway are examples of harsher environments. So how will related countries' energy sources play a role in determining the impact of Putin's failed gambit? Also, I invite people who live in the affected areas to comment on related matters.

Overall, Putin's megalomania is the driving factor behind Russia's war in Ukraine. Putin believes global energy markets won't suffice without Russian oil and gas. However, Putin's reaction to his doomed endeavours concerns me. The next stage in Putin's escalation might entail employing weapons of mass destruction in Ukraine.

a reply to: xpert11
Did star you for your comment. I have to ask though, can we believe a thing our media is telling us about anyone who is not for "the narrative"? You see how honest folks are treated as criminals and criminals are treated as honest folks like in some kind of futuristic movie. We have a problem with credibility of our own damn sources we used to believe we could trust. The media darlings turned on our society one day a few decades back and we are just now noticing.

Who are the bad guys? Right now, that is a hard question to answer correctly when we see our own upside down FBI are liars, and Woke liberal leadership is going off the rails. The wheels are coming off of their train. I am watching a slow motion train wreck where our elected representatives in Congress and the Senate could stop it, but just won't.

a reply to: xpert11

But is Putin to blame? does he really want a destabilized Europe on his doorstep? he was slow in winding down the supplies, the narrative that he has weaponized energy, how can that be when he just wants to be paid in Roubles? As of today the Russians and Chinese have exited the petrodollar, which means that the major part of humanity has exited it as well. India if not already will be next. The dollar will be the least favored currency to buy energy with as the world would be awash with its inflationary baggage.

a reply to: Justoneman

I have sent you a PM to avoid going off topic.

a reply to: anonentity

For our narrow conversation scope, Putin and Russia are solely to blame for the situation. Putin, like Hitler and Stalin, isn't a rational actor. Hence, Russia's horrific and destructive actions on the scale shocked people who were unfamiliar with recent history (WW1 and WW2).

Concerning Putin's attempts to weaponise energy, that idea exists in Putin's deranged mind and perhaps with media outlets filling the hourly online news cycle. However, in reality, Putin will deprive Russia of the funds required to pay for the war in Ukraine. As a result, he might speed up the demise of his regime.

Russia withholding energy supplies for military purposes is a probable contingency. But institutional corruption and logistical failings would render that measure grossly ineffective.

a reply to: xpert11

You are just preaching a narrative of the current propaganda. No invasion just happens because someone decides it's time. If all the locals in eastern Ukraine decided that they would be more comfortable closer to Russia. Why hasn't this been considered as it is their land after all as they have been there for generations? This was the general consensus, then western Ukraine told them to stop speaking Russian and even changed the names of some of the streets. Which would have inflamed an already tense situation. It is as if they were asking for it. So that gave Russia a good excuse to launch the operation, which they now use for strategic gains. Now we have a situation that will escalate.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: xpert11

You are just preaching a narrative of the current propaganda. No invasion just happens because someone decides it's time. If all the locals in eastern Ukraine decided that they would be more comfortable closer to Russia. Why hasn't this been considered as it is their land after all as they have been there for generations? This was the general consensus, then western Ukraine told them to stop speaking Russian and even changed the names of some of the streets. Which would have inflamed an already tense situation. It is as if they were asking for it. So that gave Russia a good excuse to launch the operation, which they now use for strategic gains. Now we have a situation that will escalate.

That could never happen after russia invaded to force the issue in 2014, the territory was then correctly considered occupied.

a reply to: gortex

of course they will now the printing presses are going into overdrive as it shifts the crisis from resource to currency collapse..

originally posted by: anonentity
If all the locals in eastern Ukraine decided that they would be more comfortable closer to Russia. Why hasn't this been considered as it is their land after all as they have been there for generations? This was the general consensus, then western Ukraine told them to stop speaking Russian and even changed the names of some of the streets.

Then why did putler amass his troops and equipment on the boarder with the lie it was all military exercises for over a week or more, only to suddenly rush over the border and attempt to take ALL of Ukraine... Why didnt he come out honestly and get the east Ukrainians backing or take the areas he claimed wanted to be back with ruZZia and leave it at that?

Because it wasnt about that, it was a rushed complete attempt at attacking and taking over a neighboring country... thankful it turned out to be an incompetent and incomplete attempt, and given time he's gonna loose more than he gained the last time, along with gaining a ton more other problems.

Wish i could stand in front of him, point, and laugh my arse off.

a reply to: anonentity

As of today the Russians and Chinese have exited the petrodollar

Can I get a link for that statement? I can't find anything on it with a search.

Big, big, bigly-hugemongous news if that is true.

TheRedneck

a reply to: xpert11

in reality, Putin will deprive Russia of the funds required to pay for the war in Ukraine.

Any short-term deficit in Russia's energy income is already being offset by China. They have just switched their exports from EU/China to China. The ruble is not falling... it is actually rising in value against Western currencies (including the dollar).

TheRedneck