Jared Kushner says he might one day become immortal

Immortality has been a thing for a long time.
The Immortal jellyfish (T. Dohrnii )
Look it up .

a reply to: 19Bones79

That post was spot on Bones. Each point you made sums up nicely into your final sentence.

''I think the fact that our time is so limited is what gives it its value. ''

I wonder about people thousands of years ago, living their lives in such short periods of time, dealing with only the local bits of tribal life just to survive.
And I wonder about the difference between them and us, we who have such vast amounts of information and knowledge to absorb and juggle into coherent messages. Man, what a task.

That leads me at times to think along the lines of exactly what you said, the value comes from our short spans of life. I mean just how much more can any of us expand ourselves before we, ah, POP.

Each of your points offer extensive discussion and consideration, but the one that for some reason jumped out at me was ''What if people still argue passionately over bull# you have shaken off a millennia ago? '' Some of what you bring up is already present in our current lives..

a reply to: Randyvine2

What those will do with this world once their goal has been achieved is beyond what I want to think about. I can not really see much in the way of advantage to living even hundreds of years here because I see what we have allowed to rise to the top and steer us for way to long. The song Children of the Moon comes to mind quickly for me.




Thanks Randy for your very thoughtful mind.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

interesing.. i used to feel that tech couldnt save us lol . the tech to fix most all earths problems are already here .. we just lack the incentives to put the plans into action.

humans have always overcome when the going gets tough, i suspect now is no different.

plastic eaters

a reply to: Another_Nut

soo.. im supposed to fight against some nebulous "them"? sounds like a way to brainwash people to me.

no more than promoting living forever, appeals right to people that have star trek and utopic dreams that will never manifest in their lifetime if it even does at all.

if you can't see the moves that are being made to control people more everyday, then your more naive than i thought.
take 87,000 new irs agents, to the already 70,000, so say a 150,000 give or take a few thousand. that's more people than some countries entire army. whose sole job is looking to take more of your hard earned money and with force if they deem it necessary. that's just one example, there are plenty more.

thats called an example and is used for illustrative purposes. i dont think some company will come out tomorrow with the one shot solution. it will be gradual and attack the problem from many different directions culminating in immortality

it's still bio engineering, and developing the power no matter how long it takes to do so, is not good for the human race. you know hitler and his goons were trying to do that kinda sh@@ remember mengele and his genetic experiments, so were the japanese or russian sewing dog heads on other ones, wonder what they did that was never published. it would give those that would dedicate over people the perfect tools to do so.

so you dont think people, today, stay with a business for ten years or more? im beginning to think you just dont like people and are fighting smoke and shadows... always thinking "they" are out to get you lol. id go with a.i. takeover before "shadow cabal that runs the world" but even if you are right ... welll... they have already won because.....

no, as a matter of fact i worked for one company for 22 years before i bought it, and ran it for another 12 before i retired.
but i had freedom to think for myself, and if something i thought was, against the law, unethical, dangerous, i didn't do it, told him why i wouldn't and that was that. i produced to much for him to fire me and after five years, i was shop boss over people that had been there longer than i was.

if the tech ever comes about, a large enough unethical company in theory could start designing just what i was talking about. and you can't tell me there are not big unethical companies and owners and boards out there. and their pushing it whether you believe it or not.

as for AI, if a machine that can think for it's self, in others words is self aware, with the ability to overcome it's programing and is connected to a wide variety of services, and can control other machines, that would be even more dangerous than power mongers with brain dead sheeple.

tell that to the entire left in the u.s.a. they love being controlled as long as it doesn't break their spell ... keep feeding them the propaganda and there is no telling what you can make a brainwashed person do.

well yeah some the left does, but there are plenty of them that want what their masters are giving but don't follow their
rules. then there are those on the right that don't beg at trough which last time i checked were still more than the left. that want to think for themselves be left alone and will follows the rules until pushed.

You may live forever but die from boredom.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Thanks Randy for your very thoughtful mind.

Mr McGuire I relish the compliment. A curious mind is a thoughtful mind.
I was a junior in high school when I learned to think before I speak about
anything. You've taught me to think from a few different angles of which
I was unaware. Unaware that I even could consider such. On the natch I
only look to return your kindness. This is not the end brother it's the
beginning. Excellent song you chose.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

no more than promoting living forever, appeals right to people that have star trek and utopic dreams that will never manifest in their lifetime if it even does at all.

im not promoting anything. immortality is the end result of of a longer and longer life span as tech advances. when the tech advances faster than you age then , yeah, we will be , functionally, immortal. it may not get here in my lifetime, i am on that cusp i believe, but that wont stop me from trying.

if you can't see the moves that are being made to control people more everyday, then your more naive than i thought.
take 87,000 new irs agents, to the already 70,000, so say a 150,000 give or take a few thousand. that's more people than some countries entire army. whose sole job is looking to take more of your hard earned money and with force if they deem it necessary. that's just one example, there are plenty more.

hey i dont deny it is messed up but do i think some shadow cabal is running it? no. hey man, im crazy. if you want to know what i think? i think there is a better chance that sometime around 2001 , being the real tech is 20 or so ahead of society, an a.i. was created nd got loose and decided to direct humanity. since then it has released tech on a steady basis and it is getting us ready . ready for what? i have no clue but i find it strange that we are delivering cellular devices to the whole planet. if i wanted to rule the world i would first need to track everyone.... but we are going off topic.

needless to say , whatever is coming i have faith we will come out the other side better than we went in , we have through out history. not to mention i wouldnt want to be the 150k irs tards .. i mean did you see the training video .. they are a joke and i would say my little town could fend off half of them , never mind the other 150 or so million armed persons in the u.s.

it's still bio engineering, and developing the power no matter how long it takes to do so, is not good for the human race. you know hitler and his goons were trying to do that kinda sh@@ remember mengele and his genetic experiments, so were the japanese or russian sewing dog heads on other ones, wonder what they did that was never published. it would give those that would dedicate over people the perfect tools to do so.

again , i wasnt talking about bioengineering, we do so much of that today anyways. it was an example of how even if it was a single company with a single shot there is still an almost inevitability of that knowledge escaping into the wild.

there is always someone one who fights the system and will revers engineer, or down right steal, the process and then, just like pharma, a dozen companies will pop up offering then for cheap and thats not even including the fact you may be able to print them in your home in the not so distant future.

and wow.. you just jumped straight to nazi huh lol . you know what else nazis did? declared a whole populations mere existence "dangerous"

no, as a matter of fact i worked for one company for 22 years before i bought it, and ran it for another 12 before i retired.
but i had freedom to think for myself, and if something i thought was, against the law, unethical, dangerous, i didn't do it, told him why i wouldn't and that was that. i produced to much for him to fire me and after five years, i was shop boss over people that had been there longer than i was.

are you implying your employees couldnt think for themselves? like, it was only you who could see things that were illegal, unethical or dangerous and that if it wasnt for you people would be put in danger because they are dumb?

and you think unethical corporations need bioengineering to make dumb workers?

if the tech ever comes about, a large enough unethical company in theory could start designing just what i was talking about. and you can't tell me there are not big unethical companies and owners and boards out there. and their pushing it whether you believe it or not.

but why would they if people are already so dumb? what would be the point when , as you showed, people are willing to work at the same company for 30+ years without being robots? much easier, cheaper and just plain better to take those people and give them immortality. and not being able to make on-the-spot decisions might be a detriment during space travel. who knows?

as for AI, if a machine that can think for it's self, in others words is self aware, with the ability to overcome it's programing and is connected to a wide variety of services, and can control other machines, that would be even more dangerous than power mongers with brain dead sheeple.

only because you seem to have this dour view of the universe where everything is bad . lol as i see it there is at least a 50/50 shot the a.i. is benevolent and is pushing us toward colonizing the universe

well yeah some the left does, but there are plenty of them that want what their masters are giving but don't follow their
rules. then there are those on the right that don't beg at trough which last time i checked were still more than the left. that want to think for themselves be left alone and will follows the rules until pushed.

i only point to the left to show you how close the left is to actually being genocidal. once you start labeling people dangerous for existing.. well we all know how that ends. me personally im a firm libertarian, but at least im not worried ill be labeled a danger to existence by the conservatives yet...

and i see you ignored my last bit .. so ill say it again for good measure...

the fact is history has shown us that you cant stop progress ... no politics, no war, no person, no circumstance has EVER stopped it and time and time again those who have tried have been left to the wastebin of history. discarded.

the only real question is will we be here when it happens.

would you disagree?

a reply to: Another_Nut
I think the question of taking care of issues like plastic is the cost. Will the the cost of taking care of the problem be tackled by one government or an international partnership. Would the corporations that produce plastics find a way to take care of it? That question has a simple answer, would it be profitable for them to do it? Who would pay them for the tech. Governments....

Let's look a soda containers. Originally they soda was put in glass bottles and the consumer was charged a nickle or a dime for each bottle which could be redeemed for that same price at any grocery store. The company would pick them up, sterilize them fill em and sell em again. But that changed.

Once plastic bottles and aluminum cans were invented, those companies discarded glass bottles and the redeemable surcharge in favor of disposable plastic and aluminum. Because of the ease for consumer, more product was sold and the waste began. Now aluminum cans seem to be on the way out in favor of plastic.

All this plastic was promoted as recycalable which for a while all our garbage dumps had recycle bins but that has gone by the way because the profit from recycling plastic has fallen out the bottom. So sure if this plastic eating idea works, would it still be profitable to whoever owns it?

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
Jared Kushner says he's been trying to keep his body in shape because he might one day become immortal

Not possible, you'd need an artificial brain, even if you cloned every replacement organ you need from embryonic stem cells the brain is too complex... and flesh is only good for 120 years (Gen 6) the brain is still flesh and would just become full-on grey matter.

a reply to: Randyvine2

One of those unsung heroes in this world was my Senior Lit teacher in high school. In his class we were not only taught classics but more, how to write ourselves. And key to both he taught was learning how to think for ourselves.

He had a peeve. it was cliches. He would rant and rant about them, promised F's if we relied to heavily on them in our papers. His point was that cliches were mind killers in that they did not take much thought at all. To simply insert a cliche did not challenge us to think more deeply about what we were writing.Colloquialisms were useful in everyday conversation but in order to develop a questioning mind, a creative mind they were a great hindrance.

He gave us a sheet of paper filled with them that should we use any of them in a paper, it would receive an immediate failure.

One morning just before graduation I was tasked from an organization I was in to make a morning announcement concerning an up coming event. His class was also the first of the morning. So I took his list and crammed as many cliches into the announcement as I could and put it out over the PA system.

Five minutes later I quietly walked into class and he was storming up and down the isles with smoke coming out of his ears. Waving his arms around he took about ten seconds to let it sink in that I had just arrived and he stopped. He turned to me with a smile and gave me a grand thumbs up.

I've cherished his simple lesson my whole life and attribute much of what may be my own ability for independent thought to him. If he is looking down, I hope he will only smile at my use of the phrase, the cliche, ''smoke coming out of his ears''.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
Jared Kushner says he's been trying to keep his body in shape because he might one day become immortal

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Ok, it might be interesting to delve into this idea of immortality. Not the science its self but rather what it could mean if it might become reality. If Kushner is making this statement publicly he must be really involved with the idea because on the surface it sounds crazy.

"I think that there's a good probability that my generation is, hopefully with the advances in science, is either the first generation to live forever or the last generation that's going to die," Kushner said. "So we need to keep ourselves in pretty good shape."

So what of this idea. It's been bandied about now for a decade or two that the advances in science could bring this ''immortality'' about. What if it is true, that as he hopes we are on the cusp of at least vastly expanded lifetimes? What would it imply.

Would it possibly be available to all of us or would it only be available to those who could afford it ?

How would it affect our political systems ?
We already know that our political system is filled with opportunists who express no remorse at being in an elected (elected, that's a joke) position for as long as they live. 30 years and 40 years. What about 50 or 60 or a hundred.

What about our sciences ? What if our scientific community was not only ruled by established beliefs but more what it it was run by a throng of people who gained their positions two or three hundred years ago and still controlled what was studied and discovered ?

And just how long could Tom Cruise remain as boffo box office or how long would Beyonce be drooled over sitting on her glass horse while singing a variation on the same song for a couple of centuries ?

How would the possible underclasses react if they knew that they were born into and then died while other ''Gods'' lived forever.

I put this in Science and Technology hopefully to keep it in a speculative and non-partisan discussion. The only reason I pointed out Kushner was because it was he who made this latest public comment on the issue in question.

So if we are willing, can we either expand on any of the questions I have offered or better yet, can we consider and develop other avenues of speculation that
members may want to consider?

how does he know he isn't immortal now?




if it happens it won't be in this body or on this plane.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

if you look at some of those famous photo's from back in the early 1800's that look EXACTLY like a famous or politicly powerful person alive today rich and powerful;


there is the AMAZING bust of Akhenaten that looks like Obama and one of the Pharos wife that looks exactly like Obamas wife.





and here is another of Obama and his ancient doppelgänger



and here is one from Rome with Putin's doppelgänger






i think one day i think we will love soooo long we will eventually CHOSE to die.

The actual busts look quite a bit different, a simple google search reveals that... both Akhenaten and Nefertiti. I won't bother uploading google result images.

Can we move this to Metaphysics section now?

a reply to: medusaseyes1984

Typo...he is talking about someday being immoral. somehow error correct added a T.

a reply to: Dalamax

Then you're insane, I guess.

Everlasting life used in a vicious manner to end others until there can be only one?

Unless....

You start to worship me?

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

One morning just before graduation I was tasked from an organization I was in to make a morning announcement concerning an up coming event. His class was also the first of the morning. So I took his list and crammed as many cliches into the announcement as I could and put it out over the PA system.

OH hell, I loved reading that. I would point out that your teacher knew how
to become immortal. In the minds of his students. My gym coach senior year
used to turn his back and let us play tackle football. One day he got the clas
together and told us, "You guys I can't let you get away with this anymore'.

We all complained with loud voices and I said, "WTH coach nobody's getting hurt
or anything". I was about three feet in front of him when he says meaning us.

"Alrighr you guys want to tackle somebody I'll give you one last shot at it.

TACKLE SOMEBODY!

He had no idea but before the word somebody was entirely
out of his mouth. I blind sided him and every kid behind me dog piled on us.

And I even remember how many were in that class. 26 altogether but he
was a little irratated at us for not appreciating how long he let us get away
with it. We were on the bottom of that pile of kids splitting our guts we
were laughing so hard. We all got up and every kid there thanked him.

Really just a great person who loved what he was doing.

What better way to become immortal. KINDNESS!

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I think we should figure out what drives man's quest of immortality.

I don't think it's the "Miss America" answer that ultimately tells the truth.

I think it boils down to something much baser.

And it's not something you should be building a foundation of eternity upon.

a reply to: 19Bones79

I don't know that we could settle that question between us without reverting to faith based beliefs which I am happy to do but that all to often reverting to faith is done along party lines.

a reply to: Randyvine2

So nice. Those two stories would make a nice writers contest. '' That first moment when a teacher or coach or parent, someone you as a child and always looked up to met for the first time on an equal level of appreciation'' Gotta love those moments.