Serving Russian Paratrooper Speaks Out against the War in Ukraine

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: MisguidedAngel

So what???

So Russia had destroyed Mariupol then ?

Of course it has.

They had to, to rid the city of all your Ukrainian Azov Nazi heroes. Some things got destroyed sure, but the mission was accomplished, Azov Nazis will never again control the city of Mariupol and most of them are dead now and the city is being rebuilt right this very second and it will be rebuilt bigger and better then ever, I've never seen so many buildings being worked on at one time, it's truly amazing the amount of work Russia is doing in rebuilding the liberated city of Mariupol

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

"Some things got destroyed"?

That's not just an understatement, it's risible.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

You only have to watch this British news report from ITV news in 2014 to see that the locals were against the Ukrainian government and army. Ukrainian forces were destroying Mariupol 8 years ago...

Just click the link below to see the ITV news report out of Britian to see how the locals really feel about the Ukrainian government

mobile.twitter.com...

Fast forward to today and most Ukranians have switched to supporting their government. Putin had every chance to get the locals onside but by trying to take out the whole of Ukraine including Kiev there is no way the original support will continue. Putin's prbably going to be the Czar that lost Ukraine forever. Didn't have to be that way.

Most of the people in the East can't stand the Western Ukraine and all the Bandera loving Nationalists there and they definitely don't give 2 #s about Kyiv that's for sure. Those people will never go back to supporting their government who took every step possible to take away their language and culture

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

You speak with certainty? How do you know this?

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

They had to

No they didn't. They chose to

city is being rebuilt

Insurgency will be ongoing until it is back under the Ukraine flag. Just as the resistance did in France, Holland, Belgium etc during WW II.

The mayor's office of Russian-occupied Mariupol has reported that on the afternoon of 13 August, there was an explosion that was "heard by the whole city

www.pravda.com.ua...

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

Oh. You have seen this? Are you there?

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

You only have to watch this British news report from ITV news in 2014 to see that the locals were against the Ukrainian government and army. Ukrainian forces were destroying Mariupol 8 years ago...

Just click the link below to see the ITV news report out of Britian to see how the locals really feel about the Ukrainian government

mobile.twitter.com...

Fast forward to today and most Ukranians have switched to supporting their government. Putin had every chance to get the locals onside but by trying to take out the whole of Ukraine including Kiev there is no way the original support will continue. Putin's prbably going to be the Czar that lost Ukraine forever. Didn't have to be that way.

Most of the people in the East can't stand the Western Ukraine and all the Bandera loving Nationalists there and they definitely don't give 2 #s about Kyiv that's for sure. Those people will never go back to supporting their government who took every step possible to take away their language and culture

For sure and totally know exactly where you are coming from My USSR Azerbaijan born Ukrainian friend told me exactly what you state above. Yet killing tens of thousands of Ukrainians probably in the long term isn't going to get the undecided voters on side

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: BernnieJGato

dont worry i am sure your Ukraine is winning the conflict and war for the past six months and the so called media have only this.

Now lets see if the fair and "democratic" news media outlets would report how badly the troop morale is for the Ukrainian forces?

Here is a hint of course they wont.

A small neighbor of the supposed second greatest army on the planet has held them back for 170+ days, killed enough of them and caused enough hardware damage to the second greatest army in the world that the rest of us are literally laughing at ourselves over how we used to think the second greatest army in the world was a threat and something to be weary of, who threatens nuclear attacks every other day over which and what ever but never actually makes good on those treats, who has bombed civilian targets with a staggering ratio compared to real military targets that would border on war crimes.

So yeah Ukraine is winning, if by winning you mean kicking the second greatest armies # back in to a point where its started to fall apart internally and externally, where attacks into the second greatest army in the worlds territories are starting to happen to the point where out of town holiday makers of the second greatest army in the world are causing 10's of miles long road blocks in those places as they flee back to their orc infested point of origin... sure Ukraine are getting help from the rest of us in terms of intel and hardware (hey second greatest army in the world, weren't you going to nuke anyone that gave them help? like from day 2 of the invasion?.. still waiting on that threat) but they are winning, and their morale is high (were the hell did the idea the Ukrainians are low in morale come from?)... despite their loses, and we arent saying they havent lost anything or anyone. But compared to the 'second greatest army in the world'... they are doing a alot better.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: alldaylong

Says the British who still believes their MSM. That leid about the Syrian Conflict and no exception for your lying BBC. That faked up that chemical story.

Aside from that bogus and ridiculous claim against the BBC, do you have any reasons to believe that Filatyev's claims are false?

a reply to: vNex92

By the way those same Russians in Eastern Ukraine had lived there for decades and generations since the defeat of the ottoman empire.

Err, no they haven't.

The vast majority of people of Russian origin living throughout Luhansk and Donetsk are the children of people who moved to the larger urban settlements as part of Stalin's great industrialisation programmes post-WWII in the late 40's and 50's.
Hardly 'generations'.

However, the Ukrainian people have lived there for literally centuries.
Unfortunately millions of those have been displaced thanks to the invasion of their ancestral homeland.

You keep on repeating the myth - I was going to say lie but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - that people of Russian origin were in the majority in the same region prior to the invasion and war.
Wrong.
58% of ALL people in Luhansk and Donetsk were of Ukrainian origin.
38% of ALL people in the same region were of Russian descent.

The misconception comes from the FACT that in the larger urban industrialised cities people of Russian origin do make up the majority of the population.
But go outside the cities and into the smaller population centres and the huge tracts of rural land and literally hundreds upon hundreds of villages and small towns and the population is by far mostly Ukrainian.

Millions of these people have been forced from their homes on land they have lived in for centuries.

I could go on, but what's point?
If it doesn't come out of Putin's arse you don't believe it.

But unfortunately for you the truth will always be the truth.

a reply to: Freeborn

You keep on repeating the myth.

What he is actually doing is paraphrasing the bull#tery that is coming out of The Kremlin.

Say it often enough and they think people will come to believe it's true.

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

You only have to watch this British news report from ITV news in 2014 to see that the locals were against the Ukrainian government and army. Ukrainian forces were destroying Mariupol 8 years ago...

Just click the link below to see the ITV news report out of Britian to see how the locals really feel about the Ukrainian government

mobile.twitter.com...

Fast forward to today and most Ukranians have switched to supporting their government.

How you can say that with a straight face while the entire region's of Crimea and Donbas voted to leave Ukraine once the Ukrainian government basically outlawed the Russian language 3 years ago is beyond me...

The lack of critical thinking in these threads is reaching TDS status levels.

I will say it and stand by it.................. Human beings are essentially sheep and can be brainwashed as any government sees fit

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

You only have to watch this British news report from ITV news in 2014 to see that the locals were against the Ukrainian government and army. Ukrainian forces were destroying Mariupol 8 years ago...

Just click the link below to see the ITV news report out of Britian to see how the locals really feel about the Ukrainian government

mobile.twitter.com...

Fast forward to today and most Ukranians have switched to supporting their government. Putin had every chance to get the locals onside but by trying to take out the whole of Ukraine including Kiev there is no way the original support will continue. Putin's prbably going to be the Czar that lost Ukraine forever. Didn't have to be that way.

Most of the people in the East can't stand the Western Ukraine and all the Bandera loving Nationalists there and they definitely don't give 2 #s about Kyiv that's for sure. Those people will never go back to supporting their government who took every step possible to take away their language and culture

Totally agree with you that's why there needs to be a ceasefire and a genuine peace conference whereby Ukraine is sorted out between the Russian's and NATO members namely USA who are both fueling this fire.

things will never go back to the way they were so the post war needs hammering out at a Yalta type conference

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Totally agree with you that's why there needs to be a ceasefire and a genuine peace conference.....

In total agreement.

....whereby Ukraine is sorted out between the Russian's and NATO members namely USA who are both fueling this fire.

You forgot about the little matter of Ukraine itself, don't they get a say in the matter?

Who the # are Russia or USA or anyone to be dictating to other countries what will happen to them?
What gives them the right to dictate to others?
Haven't we learned anything.

....things will never go back to the way they were.....

Probably not, but that's not for us, NATO and certainly not Russia to decide.

....so the post war needs hammering out at a Yalta type conference

Look at the mess of things we made there, pandering to Stalin and Russia!

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ufoorbhunter


Look at the mess of things we made there, pandering to Stalin and Russia!

A Yalta type conference is the only hope for the planet. It has to be genuine. The Russian's gave up taking anything the west said seriously donkeys years ago. There needs to a genuine respect from both sides. Not something cast by the Yanks and forced on Russia. That's why we are here now. no full respect of Russia's red lines.

Anyway, we are in too deep now. War is here. Nobody took Russia's red lines seriously. Now we see that line has been crossed. Pumping more military into Ukraine is a fools game on both sides.

Last week Chinese military were training in Russia. If Biden keeps pumping billions into the hands of Zelensky Russia has to respond in kind and Chinese military might well be the answer. A sort of Korean War but in reverse. Maybe then we get a split of Ukraine just like Korea. A stand off for decades and loads more money making possibilities for the MIC on all sides and the shareholders in the governments.

Oh and what the Ukrainian's want? Sure FB that makes sense. yet we are further than that point now. This is something bigger than Ukraine.

Interesting to note US military aircraft attacking Iranian military proxies in Syria yesterday. Essentially a game changer on one of the other WW3 fronts..............

"US carries out Syria airstrikes in reprisal attack on Iran-backed militia
US military says strikes on Deir Ez-Zor were needed to ‘protect and defend US personnel’ after drone attacks on its forces"

www.theguardian.com...

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

A Yalta type conference is the only hope for the planet.

At Yalta and Potsdam the UK and US conceded to almost all of Stalin's demands.
We gave him everything he wanted....and look how that turned out.
The world was on the brink of M.A.D. for nearly 50 years and literally millions and millions of people were consigned to a life of misery and sugjugation under Russian domination.
Millions died due to their opposition.

We meekly bent over and let Stalin dictate policy.

As a direct result that is exactly why all those ex-Soviet and Warsaw Pact countries are # scared of Putin and his expansionism - they simply don't want to be forced into any imaginary 'Russian sphere of influence'.
Who the # are Russia to demand what they do and determine their foreign policy?
Who the # is 'The West' to tell these Eastern European countries that they must yet again submit to Russia.

It has to be genuine.

Politicians be genuine?
Do you honestly think Putin has been 'genuine'?

The Russian's gave up taking anything the west said seriously donkeys years ago.

Rusisa wanted to be The West....they just aren't good enough at it.
Russia wants to be a SuperPower.....but they just aren't good enough.

I like Russian people, they like a drink and a laugh......but they have a massive, big, #ing xhip on their shoulder that they display for the whole world to se ewhenever possible.
They wear it like a badge of honour.

Not something cast by the Yanks and forced on Russia.

Historically its been Russia that has done the 'forcing'.
They forced the issue at Yalta and Potsdam demanding everything their way.
And now Putin is doing exactly the same.

That's why we are here now. no full respect of Russia's red lines.

We're here now because Putin is a twat and has no regard for life and his only concerns are personal glory, a Great epithet and his dreams of a Greater Russia.

Last week Chinese military were training in Russia.

China will do what os best for China.
They MAY drip feed some some resource to Russia but nothing substantial.
Keep Russia and 'The West' at each others throats in a 'war' of attrition.

Oh and what the Ukrainian's want? Sure FB that makes sense. yet we are further than that point now. This is something bigger than Ukraine.

And that's where we lose credibility....it is ALL about Ukraine!

Went a bit into rant mode there, apologies.

originally posted by: Nirishman
a reply to: gortex

I'm sorry but I can't believe anything Sky or CNN report on this "War" The propaganda is at an all time high these days so I am not believing a word of this.

This is the 21st century version of sticking your fingers in your ears and singing Mary Had A Little Lamb.

originally posted by: Freeborn

And that's where we lose credibility....it is ALL about Ukraine!

Went a bit into rant mode there, apologies.

The one thing you never need to do Freeborn is apologise. I read your posts daily wish relish as they always entertain me plus educate too. Up there with Russian Troll's posts and that's a compliment

a reply to: JAY1980

You do realise that the referenda that Russia held in Crimea and will hold in the Donbas are heavily controlled and flawed...

You do realise that Russia orchestrated these votes by intimidating the locals and destroying votes..

The voting was not fair...

It was another sham by the Kremlin...

PA

How many US soldiers were against the war in Iraq? First the justification was 9/11. They claimed Sadam aided Bin Laden. Until it was found out that they were enemies. Then it became "weapons of terrah" or WMDs. When no WMDs we're found it became "Democracy for the people of Iraq".

How about Afghanistan? The Taliban offered to hand Bin Laden over but we rejected their terms. Fast forward 20 years and thousands of dead soldiers, and the Taliban have been left stronger then ever.

How about Vietnam? The Gulf of Tonkin incident turned out to be BS. So then we had politicians playing war, dictating what targets could and could not be hit. 58,000 soldiers later and what did we gain? A communist trade partner.

My point being, there are soldiers from EVERY WAR who will "speak out" against it.