Spike damages heart. This is scientifically proven.

a reply to: tacoman101
I saw that but decided to post because the article I linked goes a bit more into details.

a reply to: daskakik

Currently reading it good sir. Thank you again.

Ats needs more posters like you a reply to: tacoman101

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: tacoman101

"Hours"?!!!! No.

Anyway, I am "refraining" so I'll leave you to it.

You’re refraining? From looking at data? You’re putting your hand in the sand instead of viewing something that challenges the narrative you clutch. Ignorance!!!!!

a reply to: tacoman101

I had no idea it was only a 1:1 creation.

Not a problem; mRNA technology is not something that has been used much in the past. I just happen to have heard about it a few years back talking to some colleagues who are into medical research. So when it was introduced into the "vaccine," I had very little catching up to do.

The good news is that mRNA seems to work well. That is promising for many other diseases. The error in this case was not the mRNA process, but the protein it was designed to produce. It will take some training to administer... the mRNA vaccine is designed to be aspirated, that is, the syringe is first withdrawn slightly to check for blood. If blood is observed, it is to be withdrawn completely and another site chosen to ensure the mRNA lipids are injected into a muscle and not a blood vessel, From what I understand, precious few administrators of this "vaccine" aspirate the injection. but training will help with that, assuming we ever get over the panic from a bad cold.

Glad I could help.

TheRedneck

a reply to: ZokaIdris

This is on youtube. It's a trojan horse. The study is talking about the spike protein in Covid, not the vaccines. So this does not fall under the heading of 'censorship' for youtube. Well done.
The study will make a lot of people think. Because where do the authors get the nerve to promote vaccines knowing that vaccines prompt the body to produce spikes? (Or are the authors deliberately doing this to allow the Trojan horse in?)
It seems obvious to me that vaccines cause a multitude of spikes compared to a natural infection. Vaccination followed by natural infection followed by vaccination etc....
Incidentally, we should not have waited for this study. Dr Ryan Cole, Dr Robert Malone, Dr Peter McCullough ... they've drawn their conclusions for a long time. But they faced irresponsible censorship because they considered the vaccines more harmful than a natural infection. Just some of the many links to this issue ...
www.lifesitenews.com...
cairnsnews.org...
www.nutritruth.org...

This is old news. We’ve known for at least 18 months that the spike causes heart damage.

a reply to: macaronicaesar

We knew that there was a correlation between the "vaccines" and heart damage. We didn't know the mechanism... until now.

Until the mechanism is known, everything else is speculation. One could make the argument that all of the heart damage issues were coincidental and not related directly to the "vaccine." I didn't believe that, given the preponderance of the data, but the argument could be made. But now that we understand the mechanism, even though so far it is a general and not a specific understanding, we can draw a connection and say that yes, the "vaccine" does indeed contribute to heart damage in some people.

Science (not scientism; not pop-sci) may seem irritatingly slow at times, but it does eventually get to the truth.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: macaronicaesar
This is old news. We’ve known for at least 18 months that the spike causes heart damage.

As he Israeli study in my signature shows, it can cause swelling, but mostly in young men, and it's usually only for a short period of time. 3-5 days.

It's also more serious and more common with covid itself than with the vax.

around 1 in 5,000 young men has some mild heart inflammation, which is 0.02 percent. Around 1 in 50,000 (or 0.002 percent) has it worse).

It's rarely permanent.

a reply to: MiddleInsite

And if I haven't made this perfectly clear here when it comes to vaccines, any vaccine, the let me clarify. GET ONE, DON'T GET ONE, I DON'T CARE. YOUR HEALTH IS NOT MY CONCERN, NOT MY RESPONSIBLITY, NOT MY BUSINESS.

Problem is... your fear of getting Covid should not be allowed to force me and everyone else to get a vaccine in order to work or travel on airplanes.
It’s that simple really. The vaccines are not safe. Just because some people do not have have an obvious and immediate reaction does not mean they are safe. People have made scientists their gods, and political power has been abused in the scientific community. So many people have had dire reactions to the vaxx, so why would anyone want to forcibly make people all around the globe to take it in order to work or travel ? But it’s really the same old modus operandi of anti-liberty Progressives who believe the world should do as they say because they are wiser than others. You say get one don’t get one then what’s the problem ? Why is this vaxx being pushed on the populace so much? If you don’t care, then why do you and others here push it so much?
Also, why do vaxx-pushers ignore the evidence of humanly engineered viruses? Anthony Fauci has already been caught red-handed with the gain-of-function research.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

People on the other side of the debate would counter your argument by saying that you shouldn't put other people at risk because of your personal quirks, or belief in whatever it is that you read on the internet.

A very few people have had a bad reaction to the vax, I think that the number is something like 0.002 percent, or one in 50,000. And in most cases that bad reaction isn't death, or an injury that they won't get over. So they would argue that you're aversion to getting the shot was out of all proportion to the actual risk.

It's like you refusing to keep a gun in the house because of the risk of it going off while you cleaned it ... and hitting a celebrity ... who then sues you.

And is the source of the virus really relevant to whether or not you get the shot?

It's not like the virus was made in order to sell you the shot. Unless of course you think that China was framed.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

People on the other side of the debate would counter your argument by saying that you shouldn't put other people at risk because of your personal quirks, or belief in whatever it is that you read on the internet.

Personal quirk ? A great many people have died from the vaxx and a great many people are against being forced to take a vaxx which does not even stop Covid ( or any other disease purported to protect against).
Nope don’t you even think about putting that on me when there are those in the scientific community who have warned us about it, and don’t even talk about personal quirks when progressives (aka Marxist socialist) are pushing transgender queen reading day at the library for small children... just don’t even go there!!!

Me: The vax causes clots.

VP: No it doesn't.

*study finds it causes clots*

VP: Ah but it's only in a few people.

*later*

Me: The vax causes heart damage.

VP: No it doesn't.

*study fines it causes damage*

VP: Ah but it's only in a few people.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
People on the other side of the debate would counter your argument by saying that you shouldn't put other people at risk because of your personal quirks, or belief in whatever it is that you read on the internet.

Other people's health is not my concern, nor my responsbility, nor my business. Hence why over here in the UK I never wore a mask, if I did end up spreading it then ah very few people would have had a bad reaction to it.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: marg6043



"Sorry for Olcarpy2, he is one of our self-appointment medical experts in the boards and as you can see pro jabs. The evidence on these jabs is growing, how they are damaging to the body, as usual more to some than others, we are in the trials, it will take about 4 more years to see the full impact from the test subjects that were forced and coerced into these jabs."

Not really. You are one of those making these claims.

Where do you get "about 4 more years" from? And you call me a "self appointment" medical expert?

You are making medical claims.

Seems like anyone who dares to have a different opinion to the dogmatic and inflexible anti vaxxers just gets dog piled by the residents of an echo chamber.

I miss the ATS of old.

You do know that antivax is a blanket term right? People who are against this new mrna untested technology are not anti vax, they are anti new mrna covid vax. huge difference. That's like me saying you're anti soda because you don't like sprite but you're ok with pepsi.

a reply to: jidnum

Yes, I had noticed. You know what I meant.

And it wasn't that.

originally posted by: baggy7981
Me: The vax causes clots.

VP: No it doesn't.

*study finds it causes clots*

VP: Ah but it's only in a few people.

*later*

Me: The vax causes heart damage.

VP: No it doesn't.

*study fines it causes damage*

VP: Ah but it's only in a few people.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
People on the other side of the debate would counter your argument by saying that you shouldn't put other people at risk because of your personal quirks, or belief in whatever it is that you read on the internet.

Other people's health is not my concern, nor my responsbility, nor my business. Hence why over here in the UK I never wore a mask, if I did end up spreading it then ah very few people would have had a bad reaction to it.

Exactly, plausible deniability.

Knowing lie, then when you get caught just say you didn't know or it's not as bad as you're saying. They can do this forever, unless people wake up.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Randyvine2

So. Just an echo chamber then.

And more insults.

I miss the old ATS.

Your posts are irrelevant. Cheers!!!

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: tacoman101

I mean the AHA found that the spike protein does cause damage to the heart, if thats the case then what does the shot do to you when your body is literally turned into a spike producing factory and is flooded with it way beyond normal viral loads.

I'm still not convinced that the vaccine produces more of the spike protein than the virus would. Remember that a virus is self-replicating; a spike protein is not. I did catch a blurb about the spike protein produced by (or included in) the vaccines may be slightly different from the actual spike protein. I didn't catch it all, but that is a possibility: a difference which does not affect antibody production itself, but which does more effectively trigger that "allergic" response in the heart.

I guess I need to go back and listen again. And once again, I'll lament: I wish people would write this stuff down instead of everything being on video. We live in a very lazy society.

TheRedneck

The spike from the vaccine definitely lasts longer from the vaccine. Sometimes up to 15 months generating spike proteins. It’s the LNP deliver mechanism that is different and the reason the two spikes are not the same.

This is old news and was known 1.5 years ago.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: macaronicaesar

We knew that there was a correlation between the "vaccines" and heart damage. We didn't know the mechanism... until now.

Until the mechanism is known, everything else is speculation. One could make the argument that all of the heart damage issues were coincidental and not related directly to the "vaccine." I didn't believe that, given the preponderance of the data, but the argument could be made. But now that we understand the mechanism, even though so far it is a general and not a specific understanding, we can draw a connection and say that yes, the "vaccine" does indeed contribute to heart damage in some people.

Science (not scientism; not pop-sci) may seem irritatingly slow at times, but it does eventually get to the truth.

TheRedneck

not true at all. We knew it was the spike 18 months ago. I’m really surprised at how many people haven’t been paying attention. This is #ing scary that this many ppl are oblivious.