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a reply to: Arnie123
2 articles about the history . People should realize by now that China will not stop if it takes Taiwan, it wants to dominate Pacific even further, allready make bases in tiny islands far from mainland.
When the CCP Thought Taiwan Should Be Independent
Has Taiwan Always Been Part of China?
2 articles about the history . People should realize by now that China will not stop if it takes Taiwan, it wants to dominate Pacific even further, allready make bases in tiny islands far from mainland.
When the CCP Thought Taiwan Should Be Independent
Has Taiwan Always Been Part of China?
a reply to: Kenzo
Chinese have a lot of pride. Back in the 70s China was a backward country. Now China is a high tech country having high tech industry and a large population. Chinese have ambition to establish Chinese hegemony that rivals Anglo Saxon hegemony which reached its peak in the 70s and 80s.
Chinese have a lot of pride. Back in the 70s China was a backward country. Now China is a high tech country having high tech industry and a large population. Chinese have ambition to establish Chinese hegemony that rivals Anglo Saxon hegemony which reached its peak in the 70s and 80s.
a reply to: Kenzo
There are two ways to become the premiere economic superpower: increase onee'e own economy,or destroy the economies of one's adversaries. China has been working diligently on the former, but that is no guarantee they will not at some point switch to the latter.
Plus, Western countries are now severely addicted to technology which cannot physically exist without the rare earth minerals that China has control of. It would take a couple decades to replace just a large part of that supply chain and severely increase pollution in Western countries. So, given the choice of bowing down to China and keeping our toys or standing up and living like we did in the 1950s, which path do you think Western civilization would take?
If China were to stop all trade with the US tomorrow, there would be no more computers, no more cell phones, no more flat-screen TVs, and no more automobiles with all the fancy sensors to improve the ride and the fuel efficiency. Most of the electric grid would crumble in a few years since it is dependent now on things like smart meters, which could not be replaced. Our military would soon revert to pre-Cold War status; forget the advanced weaponry and surveillance. China can do what China wants, and China knows it.
TheRedneck
There are two ways to become the premiere economic superpower: increase onee'e own economy,or destroy the economies of one's adversaries. China has been working diligently on the former, but that is no guarantee they will not at some point switch to the latter.
Plus, Western countries are now severely addicted to technology which cannot physically exist without the rare earth minerals that China has control of. It would take a couple decades to replace just a large part of that supply chain and severely increase pollution in Western countries. So, given the choice of bowing down to China and keeping our toys or standing up and living like we did in the 1950s, which path do you think Western civilization would take?
If China were to stop all trade with the US tomorrow, there would be no more computers, no more cell phones, no more flat-screen TVs, and no more automobiles with all the fancy sensors to improve the ride and the fuel efficiency. Most of the electric grid would crumble in a few years since it is dependent now on things like smart meters, which could not be replaced. Our military would soon revert to pre-Cold War status; forget the advanced weaponry and surveillance. China can do what China wants, and China knows it.
TheRedneck
a reply to: TheRedneck
Well that is bad news damn why they let this happen.
But knowing how they behave even against Chinese people, they seem as primed to use violence also against other nations....so future is not rosy when Chinese are in command . I
Can they feed their own people without Western food ?
Lithography seem to be one that they dont yet fully know on technical side.
lithography
Well that is bad news damn why they let this happen.
But knowing how they behave even against Chinese people, they seem as primed to use violence also against other nations....so future is not rosy when Chinese are in command . I
Can they feed their own people without Western food ?
Lithography seem to be one that they dont yet fully know on technical side.
lithography
a reply to: carewemust
Well, it's a good thing she is banned from entering China for the rest of her life. Considering her mental condition.
Well, it's a good thing she is banned from entering China for the rest of her life. Considering her mental condition.
originally posted by: DannyWang
a reply to: Kenzo
Chinese chip industry is only a matter of time. China has 1.4 billion population. That's a huge R&D pool. They can also hire foreign R&D personnel also.
Just also have a pesky little population problem where by the end of the century huge chunk of the population will be old, with a projected population contraction of around 300 million.
a reply to: BernnieJGato
Mathematics originated in Sumer. Science originated in Sumer. Chinese did not steal it anymore than Americans stole it.
Mathematics originated in Sumer. Science originated in Sumer. Chinese did not steal it anymore than Americans stole it.
a reply to: DannyWang
doesn't matter where it originated, if they lose the ability to use it which china did a very long time ago. just like their sea faring ability they lost that a very long time ago, china started stealing trade secrets in the 60's, and just in the past 30 years statrted build any kind of navy.
doesn't matter where it originated, if they lose the ability to use it which china did a very long time ago. just like their sea faring ability they lost that a very long time ago, china started stealing trade secrets in the 60's, and just in the past 30 years statrted build any kind of navy.
a reply to: DannyWang
Not really when the largest segment of the economy is real estate and that is in a world of trouble right now.
IF they can navigate that then yea, I am not sure they can navigate it. People keep comparing it to 2008 in the US but its an apples and hand grenades comparison real estate was never as big a piece of the economy with us as it is in China right now.
Put the economic and the population problem together china has an extremely bumpy road ahead of them for a nation that wants to be the worlds only superpower.
ETA: this is not a US is better raw raw thing, we are screwed, and I know it. We lost the culture war when we let the leftist take over the education in the US.
Not really when the largest segment of the economy is real estate and that is in a world of trouble right now.
IF they can navigate that then yea, I am not sure they can navigate it. People keep comparing it to 2008 in the US but its an apples and hand grenades comparison real estate was never as big a piece of the economy with us as it is in China right now.
Put the economic and the population problem together china has an extremely bumpy road ahead of them for a nation that wants to be the worlds only superpower.
ETA: this is not a US is better raw raw thing, we are screwed, and I know it. We lost the culture war when we let the leftist take over the education in the US.
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a reply to: Kenzo
Yes. Their people might not be happy doing without some Western foods they have become accustomed to, and they won't exactly be rolling in excess food, but they can manage.
It's not like the Middle East, where most of the land is desert sands. China has a lot of agricultural capacity.
Not sure where the Diplomat got that notion,but it's a load of panda ka-ka. I order my circuit boards from China... I would order them from a US manufacturer, but the cost is about three times as much. Circuit boards use lithography from start to finish, and require a lot of technical expertise to ensure everything is aligned properly. So far I have had no problem with the Chinese boards.
The copper traces on semiconductors is not really lithography... it's based on it, but the copper traces are etched just like a circuit board. The lithographs are just used to apply etch resist. Compared to a circuit board, semiconductors are much, much smaller but also much, much easier. Only one mask is required instead of three or four or more. They probably do use US software and equipment; that doesn't mean anyone here can just shut them down. The best the USA could do would be to stop updating software and selling equipment. Given China's recent forays into the robotics field, I think they would be perfectly capable of making and programming their own equipment if they needed to.
China makes junk for us to buy not because they only know how to make junk. They make junk for us to buy because they know we'll buy it.
TheRedneck
Can they feed their own people without Western food ?
Yes. Their people might not be happy doing without some Western foods they have become accustomed to, and they won't exactly be rolling in excess food, but they can manage.
It's not like the Middle East, where most of the land is desert sands. China has a lot of agricultural capacity.
Lithography seem to be one that they dont yet fully know on technical side.
Not sure where the Diplomat got that notion,but it's a load of panda ka-ka. I order my circuit boards from China... I would order them from a US manufacturer, but the cost is about three times as much. Circuit boards use lithography from start to finish, and require a lot of technical expertise to ensure everything is aligned properly. So far I have had no problem with the Chinese boards.
The copper traces on semiconductors is not really lithography... it's based on it, but the copper traces are etched just like a circuit board. The lithographs are just used to apply etch resist. Compared to a circuit board, semiconductors are much, much smaller but also much, much easier. Only one mask is required instead of three or four or more. They probably do use US software and equipment; that doesn't mean anyone here can just shut them down. The best the USA could do would be to stop updating software and selling equipment. Given China's recent forays into the robotics field, I think they would be perfectly capable of making and programming their own equipment if they needed to.
China makes junk for us to buy not because they only know how to make junk. They make junk for us to buy because they know we'll buy it.
TheRedneck
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