'last minutes' of four-year-old girl's life before Russian missile attack

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Perhaps someday Russia will set world standards and then the world will become somewhat less sad.

a reply to: turretless

In 2010 Yanukovych wrote a bill saying Ukraine will not join any military bloc. Russia has loudly proclaimed that joining NATO is bad. In 2014 Poroshenko takes over, overturns the bill, says Ukraine wants to join NATO. Then Russia attacks.

You think this is a coincidence?

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: turretless

Because after that Russia is no longer able to control Ukraine's government.

Now it's your turn to provide evidence that Russia controlled Ukraine before the Maidan.

their former leader was ousted BECAUSE of his puppet status of Putin/russia,and proved its link by fleeing to russia for protection.

"It's russias fault" , "no the west is at fault" , everyone forgets it takes two to tango.

originally posted by: turretless
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Perhaps someday Russia will set world standards and then the world will become somewhat less sad.

Yeah sure, a country full of corruption, a media controlled by the state and a dictator ready to invade a soverign state because of fantasies of a collapsed USSR.

a reply to: Terpene

according to the wiki its pro russians in the donbas fault. they struck first by taking ukranian stuff first in donbas.
the russians could not lose the land so they invaded this year to prevent that.

By prolonging the war with aid, technically it's blood on the west's hands. Again.

Yeah sure, a country full of corruption, a media controlled by the state and a dictator ready to invade a soverign state because of fantasies

Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan come to mind. Interfering in sovereign nation's elections and deposing their leaders to gain control of resources.

Whatever the reason for war in Ukraine, it's not possible to take sides without exposing oneself as a 100%, bona fide hypocrite.

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: turretless

The Donbass conflict instigated by Russia ? , yeah more blood on Putin's blood soaked hands.

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No if you know about this conflict it had to do with the Ukrainian citizens in Donbass who weren't gonna get stepped on by the new Ukrainian government


Instigated by Russia hahaha ya sure ok....

Anti-terrorist operations started in the Donbass when groups led by Russian assets started seizing government buildings at gunpoint. Since then, the original Russian leaders of the groups have stated they were recruited by one of Putin's advisors.

So, yes, it was instigated by Russia.

originally posted by: turretless
a reply to: Cutepants

If the US was going to make Ukraine its colony, then there really is nothing surprising in the fact that some US citizens decide who should be in the government of the country.

By the way, (I draw your attention to this) she said that Klitschko should not be in the government of Ukraine. (00:46)

Indeed, Klitschko did not enter the government of Ukraine but became the mayor of the capital city of Kyiv.

Do you think it is right that the one who forms the government forms the direction of the country's development?

This whole narrative falls apart with one simple question: Who did the US want as President of Ukraine?

Hint: It wasn't Poroshenko.

originally posted by: Terpene
"It's russias fault" , "no the west is at fault" , everyone forgets it takes two to tango.

And yet you forget that Ukraine is one of those two.

a reply to: gortex

We have become desensitised to people dieing in other parts of the world. But when you put a name, face and tender age to the victim, that's when it hits home. The utter waste of lives for no good reason. The evil that men do is worse than satan himself.

R.I.P. little Liza

a reply to: Cutepants

Unlike the small baltic states, Ukraine is too big to join NATO and not threaten Russia. Russia will never allow Ukraine to join NATO, even if it means forever war.

originally posted by: Spacespider
Really sad news, Putin never going to get forgiven by humanity and god after all these war crimes.
I pray for all the mothers and kids in Ukraine to get out of that place until things gets back to normal.
There are many western countries that will gladly help with house over their head and food, clothes and toys.

Some aspects of humanity will forgive him, after all they are supporting him. As for god. Have you read the old testament? Putin is peaceful and compassionate in comparison.

a reply to: guaman

Well nothing lasts forever. But certainly looking like several years.

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: turretless

In 2010 Yanukovych wrote a bill saying Ukraine will not join any military bloc. Russia has loudly proclaimed that joining NATO is bad. In 2014 Poroshenko takes over, overturns the bill, says Ukraine wants to join NATO. Then Russia attacks.

You think this is a coincidence?

It doesn't prove anything in my opinion.

If Yanukovych joined the CSTO, then this would not be evidence, but an indication that he is possibly controlled by Moscow.

Do you have stronger evidence of Russian control of Ukraine?

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: turretless

Because after that Russia is no longer able to control Ukraine's government.

Now it's your turn to provide evidence that Russia controlled Ukraine before the Maidan.

their former leader was ousted BECAUSE of his puppet status of Putin/russia,and proved its link by fleeing to russia for protection.

Probably similar news should now be interpreted as follows.

Arseniy Yatsenyuk was controlled by Vanuatu and partially the United States.


Former Ukraine PM eligible for Vanuatu passport - report

11 June 2019

Ukraine's former prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk is reportedly eligible for a Vanuatu passport.

A Ukrainian news site Elise Journal reports Mr Yatsenyuk's wife has already obtained a Vanuatu passport while their two daughters have US citizenship.

The report said through his wife, the former top politician, who is again vying for the prime ministership, can become a Vanuatu citizen.

www.rnz.co.nz...

originally posted by: Kurokage

originally posted by: turretless
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Perhaps someday Russia will set world standards and then the world will become somewhat less sad.

Yeah sure, a country full of corruption, a media controlled by the state and a dictator ready to invade a soverign state because of fantasies of a collapsed USSR.

All the peoples who previously inhabited the territory of Russia continue to exist to this day.

Which is very different from the result achieved by corruption-free democracies.