Ontario stops showing COVID statistics by vaccine status

a reply to: chr0naut

CDC numbers for the cold/flu viruses.
(2018 2019) CDC death rate of flu.

Why didn't we lockdown for the flu/cold?

a reply to: chr0naut

If I'd been vaccinated and boosted. I would probably never read any of the stuff coming out now, it would be very stressful.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

If I'd been vaccinated and boosted. I would probably never read any of the stuff coming out now, it would be very stressful.

People are dying in continued large numbers a week in most countries, and the disease continues to spread quite rapidly, yet people like you are nay-saying every attempt at slowing the deaths and disease spread or are promoting snake-oil cures, which provably do nothing and confer other dangers.

There is a lot of "stuff coming out now" that has been said for ages by the anti-vaxers who continue to perpetrate their nonsense. It's not true and it's not new.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: chr0naut

CDC numbers for the cold/flu viruses.
(2018 2019) CDC death rate of flu.

Why didn't we lockdown for the flu/cold?

Because there was an ongoing campaign to get people immunized against the flu, with an existing vaccine, and every year, more and more people were being immunized against it.

I don't know if you realized it but once the COVID-19 vaccines were also publicly available, those lock-downs also stopped, because there was a better method to control the spread and danger of the disease.

Its amazing. During 2020 when lockdowns started, everyone was saying, it looks like we locked down so hard we eliminated the flu. Then we start “vaccinating” everyone with a medical treatment and everyone is constantly getting sick, constant cold after cold, virus after virus, sniffle after sniffle.

Now it’s time to start pushing that 4th booster ya’ll. That’s what they are pushing now in Australia. I’m terrified my family members are going to get it. They won’t listen to me.

a reply to: DaRAGE

Unfortunately its pointless to talk them out of it.

a reply to: chr0naut

Keep believing the same MSM nonsense.

a reply to: chr0naut

those lock-downs also stopped, because there was a better method to control the spread and danger of the disease.

Those lockdowns stopped because jobs were hurting because of them. Travel industry was hit by your beloved lockdowns.

a reply to: chr0naut

You have taken your position and are running with it. Since the majority of people in NZ have been vaccinated. Then why are the hospitals at breaking point? surely it should be the other way around with an excess of nurses and doctors treating the backlog caused by the lockdowns, I suggest the problem is so big now, that a cascade effect is operating in all the countries which have gone for the jab. It is so big nothing can be done so it will be ignored. First, you have to admit that there just might be a problem. With regards to the low birth rates and excess deaths above the five-year average.

a reply to: chr0naut

Hepatitis B vaccine is 2 doses for adults.

source: www.hepb.org...

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: chr0naut

those lock-downs also stopped, because there was a better method to control the spread and danger of the disease.

Those lockdowns stopped because jobs were hurting because of them. Travel industry was hit by your beloved lockdowns.

Yet, somehow, those lock-downs had less economic impact than the Russia-Ukraine conflict and its sanctions.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

You have taken your position and are running with it. Since the majority of people in NZ have been vaccinated. Then why are the hospitals at breaking point? surely it should be the other way around with an excess of nurses and doctors treating the backlog caused by the lockdowns, I suggest the problem is so big now, that a cascade effect is operating in all the countries which have gone for the jab. It is so big nothing can be done so it will be ignored. First, you have to admit that there just might be a problem. With regards to the low birth rates and excess deaths above the five-year average.

Only 55% of New Zealander's have had a booster. That isn't enough to have much of an effect on a pathogen with an R0 value of about 6.

The last national lock-down we had here ended on 27 May 2020. We have had more than two years since then. The last regional lock-down ended in March 2021, so that was more than a year ago. And those lock-downs were only for a few months. Are you sure that the current economic situation relates at all to the lock-downs?

originally posted by: yommiesana
a reply to: chr0naut

Hepatitis B vaccine is 2 doses for adults.

source: www.hepb.org...

Yes, most vaccines require more than one shot to establish long-term levels of immune response. It's a fairly standard thing.

Withholding information seems like a good way to influence how data could be interpreted. Perhaps in a way that favors some intention?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ByteChanger

originally posted by: vNex92
Like in the article Ontario health claims that the reason they are stopping the C19 statistics by vax status.
They claim that they stopped because it would give the impression that the vax isn’t working or it would give CT the wrong impressions.

If that is the case why did they stop it?

Ontario stops showing COVID statistics by vaccine status

You mean statistics like these? Where it shows 18 "fully vaccinated" people in the hospital, and only 2 unvaccinated people?

Or the fact that the only person in ICU w/ Covid, is a fully vaccinated person?

I've been seeing these exact type of numbers all year long... If not longer...

They have some reasoning for it... Something about there are more people vaccinated, so it's a ratio type thing...

Although, personally, I'm not buying their ratio excuse... Seems way off, but I'm not a statistician or a mathematician, so I could very easily be wrong....

If 80% of the populace are fully vaccinated, then that would explain why there are so few un-vaccinated people around to get COVID-19.

They are removing the statistics because people are misinterpreting what the numbers signify.

a reply to: chr0naut

Not with Hepatitis B. It's only 2 doses for adults. It used to be 3 doses with the less effective alum salt adjuvants.



And most covid vaccines are 2 doses too.

originally posted by: Skepticape
Withholding information seems like a good way to influence how data could be interpreted. Perhaps in a way that favors some intention?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ByteChanger

originally posted by: vNex92
Like in the article Ontario health claims that the reason they are stopping the C19 statistics by vax status.
They claim that they stopped because it would give the impression that the vax isn’t working or it would give CT the wrong impressions.

If that is the case why did they stop it?

Ontario stops showing COVID statistics by vaccine status

You mean statistics like these? Where it shows 18 "fully vaccinated" people in the hospital, and only 2 unvaccinated people?

Or the fact that the only person in ICU w/ Covid, is a fully vaccinated person?

I've been seeing these exact type of numbers all year long... If not longer...

They have some reasoning for it... Something about there are more people vaccinated, so it's a ratio type thing...

Although, personally, I'm not buying their ratio excuse... Seems way off, but I'm not a statistician or a mathematician, so I could very easily be wrong....

If 80% of the populace are fully vaccinated, then that would explain why there are so few un-vaccinated people around to get COVID-19.

They are removing the statistics because people are misinterpreting what the numbers signify.

The anti-vaxxers are already using out of context numbers to try and dissuade people from taking lifesaving medicines.

The Ontario Government's response is to widespread existing intentional misuse of the data.

originally posted by: yommiesana
a reply to: chr0naut

Not with Hepatitis B. It's only 2 doses for adults. It used to be 3 doses with the less effective alum salt adjuvants.

And most covid vaccines are 2 doses too.

I was just trying to point out that it is quite normal for full vaccination, for all sorts of diseases, to require more than one shot to establish lasting immune response.

There are people who seem to be of the belief that they only had a single shot of other vaccines, and that it gave them immunity for life - I was just pointing out to them that it isn't the case.

We watched pro vaxxers constantly and continue to cite out of context and manipulated data.

Withholding information to directly control how it’s interpreted is malicious at best. The data should speak for itself, however it’s not showing what the pro-vaxxers want. You repeating this talking point does not make it more true, but repetition does cement it as reality for you. You advocating for misrepresenting data should cause you to take pause. It seems you’re projecting who’s using manipulated data.

You understand vaccines in any context are not medicines, and certainly not life saving medicines no? Follow the science right? That gets thrown right out the window when you’re trying to sell and push product off the shelf.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Skepticape
Withholding information seems like a good way to influence how data could be interpreted. Perhaps in a way that favors some intention?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ByteChanger

originally posted by: vNex92
Like in the article Ontario health claims that the reason they are stopping the C19 statistics by vax status.
They claim that they stopped because it would give the impression that the vax isn’t working or it would give CT the wrong impressions.

If that is the case why did they stop it?

Ontario stops showing COVID statistics by vaccine status

You mean statistics like these? Where it shows 18 "fully vaccinated" people in the hospital, and only 2 unvaccinated people?

Or the fact that the only person in ICU w/ Covid, is a fully vaccinated person?

I've been seeing these exact type of numbers all year long... If not longer...

They have some reasoning for it... Something about there are more people vaccinated, so it's a ratio type thing...

Although, personally, I'm not buying their ratio excuse... Seems way off, but I'm not a statistician or a mathematician, so I could very easily be wrong....

If 80% of the populace are fully vaccinated, then that would explain why there are so few un-vaccinated people around to get COVID-19.

They are removing the statistics because people are misinterpreting what the numbers signify.

The anti-vaxxers are already using out of context numbers to try and dissuade people from taking lifesaving medicines.

The Ontario Government's response is to widespread existing intentional misuse of the data.

It’s noteworthy folks can hold a view such as this. Rather than following what the data is showing, they claim it’s being misused, because they know better than the data. The data that doesn’t support the narrative should be suppressed to great applause.

I stand by my original comment which you’ve only further reenforced.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Skepticape
Withholding information seems like a good way to influence how data could be interpreted. Perhaps in a way that favors some intention?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ByteChanger

originally posted by: vNex92
Like in the article Ontario health claims that the reason they are stopping the C19 statistics by vax status.
They claim that they stopped because it would give the impression that the vax isn’t working or it would give CT the wrong impressions.

If that is the case why did they stop it?

Ontario stops showing COVID statistics by vaccine status

You mean statistics like these? Where it shows 18 "fully vaccinated" people in the hospital, and only 2 unvaccinated people?

Or the fact that the only person in ICU w/ Covid, is a fully vaccinated person?

I've been seeing these exact type of numbers all year long... If not longer...

They have some reasoning for it... Something about there are more people vaccinated, so it's a ratio type thing...

Although, personally, I'm not buying their ratio excuse... Seems way off, but I'm not a statistician or a mathematician, so I could very easily be wrong....

If 80% of the populace are fully vaccinated, then that would explain why there are so few un-vaccinated people around to get COVID-19.

They are removing the statistics because people are misinterpreting what the numbers signify.

The anti-vaxxers are already using out of context numbers to try and dissuade people from taking lifesaving medicines.

The Ontario Government's response is to widespread existing intentional misuse of the data.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

If I'd been vaccinated and boosted. I would probably never read any of the stuff coming out now, it would be very stressful.

Naw, not really..don't know what to tell you. I'm not boosted though, just the 1st 2, for work at the time..them work went down the sh#tter anyway. But, I see no one fretting, or stressed..not about this, many other things on peoples plates though.