Abortion Question for Pro Choice Parents

originally posted by: MeatHookReality
[Personal choice of who ? Got yah

The... patient and their doctor. Now it's the state government's choice. Roe vs. Wade left the government out of it.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: MeatHookReality
[Personal choice of who ? Got yah

The... patient and their doctor. Now it's the state government's choice. Roe vs. Wade left the government out of it.

Wrong .. it is all individuals rights of a State’s residents to agree , vote & make law how society should be managed.
If you are at odds with that , then campaign & change the minds of your community instead of having the Federal Government do it for you .
Society maintains order by choices & if those choices make you angry, then legally try to change it or adapt

a reply to: MeatHookReality

Your three reasons are probably my three reasons; rape, danger to the mother or severe abnormalities. THAT'S IT.

These irresponsible and unworthy "serial baby killers" are beyond repugnant.

I would make it VERY clear that I DO NOT support abortion as a solution for being irresponsible.

I'm not the one who needs to learn a life lesson or rearrange my ethics and values to fit my daughter's irresponsible lifestyle choices.

It is, admittedly, an audit of how good we were as parents. If we truly did our job, none of this would be an issue in the first place. So there's that too..

originally posted by: loufo
a reply to: MeatHookReality

it is the woman's decision.
this seems to be one of the few topics that most of us have the same opinion. thats cool.

It most definitely is a women’s choice , because a man in America can’t force a women legally to have an abortion, but a man should have a legal say in what is to become of an unborn child of his .
How about a law that says a father has no right to a child , because it grew in a women ?
Yes women suffer physically with child birth , but men suffer work to provide for a child & mother .. that is how there is balance.. Yet in today’s modern world women work & want kids , and that is unachievable , because most of what women make in money goes to childcare in most cases .
Most women with children , spend their total salary on daycare & thus achieving a zero net gain for having a career .
The greatest job in the world is being a mother & the second greatest job is a man working to keep his wife & kids in a proper home … without degenerates raising your kids in day care .
A women controls every aspect of sex & pregnancy, because it is the women who says yes or no to sex with a man . Men will have sex with every woman if he could , and if a woman chooses to have sex , then birth control or a future of children with said man or men better be in her future.
Im in favour of free tube tying for any women age 18 or older & free in vitro options for couples.
Vasectomies raise the risk of testicular & prostate cancer in men , so if it is a woman’s choice to have a baby , then it should be up to a woman to prevent pregnancy.

a reply to: LordAhriman

But what if it was the other way around. What if the Federal Government was against something…like a little green leaf and the Supreme Court said, “You know, that should be a State decision. Because things in LA and NYC are not the same as in Toledo, OH or Boise, ID.”

To the OP. Decisions are made all the time with neither knowledge nor consent. Children generally have a good grasp of what should be said or not said.

In general, Roe v Wade didn’t grant constitutional anything in the US nor did kicking it back to the states nullify it. SCOTUS does not grant unenumerated powers. Some believed and still believe that Roe v Wade did. The only thing it did was provide precedence to be cited if any case went to court to stop an abortion. Kicking it back to the States was a blessing for pro choice. Covid Lockdowns and Vax Mandates established that it was no longer “Your body, your choice.” The outcome could have be a flat “Abortion is Murder.” and just like that, new precedence to cite.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: 1947boomer

...either the Federal or State government can now make that decision for you. Some states are already making that decision for their citizens.

And in those states with a ballot proposition process, the citizens can make that decision for themselves. Arizona citizens are currently in the process of doing exactly that. The petition to put the issue on the ballot has been circulated and will be turned in by the end of today. If enough valid signatures have been attained, it will be placed on the November ballot and the people will decide... NOT elected/unelected officials.

Yes, but whether the issue is decided by a ballot initiative or a simple bill passed in a state's legislature it is still going to be a majority of the voters (whether directly or indirectly through their elected representatives) deciding what limits to freedom they are going to place not just on themselves but also on the minority. Before the Supreme Court ruling, when this was considered a Constitutional right, you didn't have the right to vote on what some other woman did with regard to this issue.

If someone is strongly anti-abortion, then voting for an anti-abortion law in their state will presumably not affect that person directly because they would never choose the abortion option in any case. However, their vote will take away that option for someone else who might choose that option. They would basically be voting that nobody in their state can disagree with them on this issue.

Presumably because they think their choice is the morally superior one.

originally posted by: frogs453
Absolutely. Although in my opinion 10 weeks or less, or beyond if her life is in danger.

I know as I have always stressed how difficult college would be, or how difficult it would be in general to be a young single mother. So they all take making sure they are as protected as can be in their relationship crucial. Nothing is foolproof though, so although I personally never considered one, they should have the right to.

Thought I would add that my 3 daughters take that right very seriously. They nixed wearing the flag shirts they bought for the 4th and did not want to celebrate. We went to a taco and tequila festival instead.

One was offered a job in other states last week by her company. After looking up each states trigger or new abortion, laws, she said no she'll stay here.

Do you even believe the tripe that you post here or just get kicks?

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: MeatHookReality
[Personal choice of who ? Got yah

The... patient and their doctor. Now it's the state government's choice. Roe vs. Wade left the government out of it.

Who cares? The govt. is also involved in my Right to Bear Arms. That should be between me and my AR.
What's your point???

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: LordAhriman

But what if it was the other way around. What if the Federal Government was against something…like a little green leaf and the Supreme Court said, “You know, that should be a State decision. Because things in LA and NYC are not the same as in Toledo, OH or Boise, ID.”

To the OP. Decisions are made all the time with neither knowledge nor consent. Children generally have a good grasp of what should be said or not said.

In general, Roe v Wade didn’t grant constitutional anything in the US nor did kicking it back to the states nullify it. SCOTUS does not grant unenumerated powers. Some believed and still believe that Roe v Wade did. The only thing it did was provide precedence to be cited if any case went to court to stop an abortion. Kicking it back to the States was a blessing for pro choice. Covid Lockdowns and Vax Mandates established that it was no longer “Your body, your choice.” The outcome could have be a flat “Abortion is Murder.” and just like that, new precedence to cite.

You get it & obviously use reason as a prime mover . Good on yah mate

originally posted by: EternalShadow
a reply to: MeatHookReality

Your three reasons are probably my three reasons; rape, danger to the mother or severe abnormalities. THAT'S IT.

These irresponsible and unworthy "serial baby killers" are beyond repugnant.

I would make it VERY clear that I DO NOT support abortion as a solution for being irresponsible.

I'm not the one who needs to learn a life lesson or rearrange my ethics and values to fit my daughter's irresponsible lifestyle choices.

It is, admittedly, an audit of how good we were as parents. If we truly did our job, none of this would be an issue in the first place. So there's that too..

Incest is one of them & yes I forgot horrible deformities as mercy .

originally posted by: Belialscousin
Who cares? The govt. is also involved in my Right to Bear Arms. That should be between me and my AR.
What's your point???

I care. The less government intervention, the better. I agree with you on your guns. I have guns, I just don't feel like I need them, nor do I make them my entire personality.

a reply to: 1947boomer

Very good points. Generally speaking, however, I do trust the people far more than I trust elected officials who can be liars, or bought, or blackmailed, or replaced, and so on and so forth.

Of course, trusting elections isn't so easy to do either these days.

a reply to: Belialscousin

Seriously? Are really expecting young adults to not have sex? There is something wrong that I stressed the importance of safe sex? That I am a realist? That I understand birth control fails? How difficult it is to be a young single mother? That I believe a woman should have a choice?

Or that we went to a taco and tequila festival instead of ribs and burgers? Or that I haven't raised young women who aren't knowledgeable about current events? You think all young women just post selfies on Instagram all day? I don't need to explain the situation in which the job offer came about. Nor, when I expressed that it could be exciting to move, she mentioned the abortion issue.

I could give a rats *ss about how you think I raise my daughters. They are smart, successful, polite and happy.

a reply to: MeatHookReality

" As a pro choice parent , would you support your daughters right to abort her child & your future grandchild ? "

Hell Freakin" No . That Childs Life Belongs to It's Supreme Being Creator . " Susy " is just going to have to Live with Her Ill Advised " Life Choices " and DEAL WITH IT .........

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: 1947boomer

...either the Federal or State government can now make that decision for you. Some states are already making that decision for their citizens.

And in those states with a ballot proposition process, the citizens can make that decision for themselves. Arizona citizens are currently in the process of doing exactly that. The petition to put the issue on the ballot has been circulated and will be turned in by the end of today. If enough valid signatures have been attained, it will be placed on the November ballot and the people will decide... NOT elected/unelected officials.

If someone is strongly anti-abortion, then voting for an anti-abortion law in their state will presumably not affect that person directly because they would never choose the abortion option in any case. However, their vote will take away that option for someone else who might choose that option. They would basically be voting that nobody in their state can disagree with them on this issue.

Presumably because they think their choice is the morally superior one.

Yes, it’s always better for the federal government to dictate something unconstitutional to the country, than allowing a vote. There are a few names for it that come to mind. Dictatorship, totalitarianism, communism etc.

What makes you think, that people that are anti-abortion are not affected by Abortion? Unless it’s medically necessary, it’s one the most horrible medical procedures that exist. All for what? Irresponsibility? Go watch one, or perform one, then come back here and tell us that you were unaffected. Or is it about “out of sight out of mind” for you?

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: MeatHookReality
Im far from a religious person & very much an occultist in makeup. I have no children of my own , and am pro life with 3 exemptions for early abortion.

Now my question is for fathers & mothers who are pro choice, and it is simple in nature.

As a pro choice parent , would you support your daughters right to abort her child & your future grandchild ?

Absolutely, it's completely their decision.

What if one of your adult children was found guilty of murder & a State or Federal government wanted to put them to death over said crime ?

originally posted by: MeatHookReality
What if one of your adult children was found guilty of murder & a State or Federal government wanted to put them to death over said crime ?

I can't answer for putnam6, but if it were one of my kids, and it was beyond reasonable doubt. Kill them.

a reply to: LordAhriman

if it were one of my kids, and it was beyond reasonable doubt. Kill them.

Now we know what's really wrong with the newer generations.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: EternalShadow
a reply to: MeatHookReality

Your three reasons are probably my three reasons; rape, danger to the mother or severe abnormalities. THAT'S IT.

These irresponsible and unworthy "serial baby killers" are beyond repugnant.

I would make it VERY clear that I DO NOT support abortion as a solution for being irresponsible.

I'm not the one who needs to learn a life lesson or rearrange my ethics and values to fit my daughter's irresponsible lifestyle choices.

It is, admittedly, an audit of how good we were as parents. If we truly did our job, none of this would be an issue in the first place. So there's that too..

I agree except the father or mother has no responsibility over the choices of their child the same as the child doesn't have responsibility over their parents choices.

By choices u mean mistakes and or wrongdoings.

a reply to: frogs453

Mmmmmmm... tacos and tequila...