Ukraine Bans Main Opposition Party, Seizes All Its Assets

a reply to: Freeborn

I have yet to see any evidence of that...and why would they be doing anything like that when in 2011 Yanukovich was still in power?

What I have seen plenty of is dead Ukrainians in the Donbass and their luckily still alive neighbors saying its ukraine doing it. I have also seen how those nazi groups have been kidnapping and tourturing anyone they don't like.

Shelling your own citizens when the enemy is no where near isn't too hard its downright evil.

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: Freeborn

What I have seen plenty of is dead Ukrainians in the Donbass and their luckily still alive neighbors saying its ukraine doing it.

This info comes from where/who?

Link

originally posted by: Annee
I don't think any country should be divided during war.

The country at war needs to be united under one ideology.

Diversity can come later.

That is a frightening thought.

When people are forbidden to protest against war we are doomed.
That sounds like Hitlers Germany during WWII

originally posted by: choomsuba

originally posted by: Annee
I don't think any country should be divided during war.

The country at war needs to be united under one ideology.

Diversity can come later.

That is a frightening thought.

When people are forbidden to protest against war we are doomed.
That sounds like Hitlers Germany during WWII

Did I say they couldn't protest against war?

Russians can't. That would be your Hitler.

a reply to: Annee

You misunderstand my position here.

I don't agree with Russia's gangster government either.

a reply to: Annee

You can't search the internet yourself? Its not like I have one link or a copy paste list sitting here within me. I have spent many hours watching video and interviews. I have read many reports from eastern and western media. Hell I even looked all the way back to 2013 so I could get a better idea of the new biases and boy is it apparent how all of a sudden things changed in the reporting of things out of Ukraine. Funny that a lot of that change started around the time US politicians started involving themselves and their family on corrupt activity over there...

a reply to: Cutepants

You misunderstand my position as well. I am not taking sides. I'm on America's side and I don't wanna bankroll these corrupt people any further.

I honestly don't care about their war. It's not my war.

I'm attempting to show what we are supporting. To the extent that we may face a third world war.

a reply to: projectvxn

I'm not saying you're consciously taking sides. I think you genuinely worry about that party getting banned. But you ignore the fact that Russia is much worse when it comes to suppressing the opposition and Ukraine only did this now, after 8 years of war. You think you're defending freedom but you end up doing the opposite.

a reply to: projectvxn

I'm attempting to show what we are supporting.

And I'm attempting to show you what you're supporting.

a reply to: Cutepants

But you ignore the fact that Russia is much worse when it comes to suppressing the opposition and Ukraine only did this now, after 8 years of war.

Incorrect.

I don't give a # about their political structure or anything of the sort.

What I care about is that NATO and especially the US is being dragged into a potentially catastrophic war with a nuclear armed world power over a corrupt regime that does not share our values at all.

You think you're defending freedom but you end up doing the opposite.

The only freedom I care to defend is American.

a reply to: Cutepants

And I'm attempting to show you what you're supporting.

What about this are you not understanding? I don't support Russia or Ukraine. I want out of the fray.

a reply to: projectvxn

I'm sorry, I just don't believe you. Because you made this whole thread about it.

a reply to: Cutepants

Ukraine started shutting down oppo media bacl around 2017.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Annee

You misunderstand my position here.

I don't agree with Russia's gangster government either.

I am not misunderstanding.

Russia made a law after the invasion that it was criminal to have an opposing opinion of the "war" (and according to them its not a war).

That happened. For real.

Not a projection.

a reply to: Cutepants

I don't care what you believe.

a reply to: Annee

Ok.

I don't care what Russia does.

I care what we do.

You've already told me how you don't care if we all die in nuclear conflagration in other discussions so it's hard for me to take this seriously from you.

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: Annee

You can't search the internet yourself? Its not like I have one link or a copy paste list sitting here within me. I have spent many hours watching video and interviews. I have read many reports from eastern and western media. Hell I even looked all the way back to 2013 so I could get a better idea of the new biases and boy is it apparent how all of a sudden things changed in the reporting of things out of Ukraine. Funny that a lot of that change started around the time US politicians started involving themselves and their family on corrupt activity over there...

You presented it.

Which videos?

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Cutepants

And I'm attempting to show you what you're supporting.

What about this are you not understanding? I don't support Russia or Ukraine. I want out of the fray.

Cant have that, you MUST choose a side!!!

That way you can fall in line or be a putin puppet. If you abstain, you only exist to imvalidate both positions.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Cutepants

And I'm attempting to show you what you're supporting.

What about this are you not understanding? I don't support Russia or Ukraine. I want out of the fray.

Cant have that, you MUST choose a side!!!

That way you can fall in line or be a putin puppet. If you abstain, you only exist to imvalidate both positions.

Ukraine was invaded.

Easy to choose sides.

a reply to: JinMI

It's like if you saw two guys on the street, one of them keeps hitting the other. And then that one finally throws a punch back. If you upset at him at that point, you're either not being fair or you've misunderstood the whole situation somehow.

We don't owe freedom to those who seek to destroy freedom.