The West is draining Ukraine

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: NoMoreFools

Russia is now a country of freedom and democracy. But the West has turned into a terrible dictatorship. About it on our site every day a lot of threads.

Satire? Sadly, not.

Take the garnish off your government and what do you have left? What qualities does it exemplify as an entity?

a reply to: vonclod

originally posted by: Dalamax
Take the garnish off your government and what do you have left? What qualities does it exemplify as an entity?

a reply to: vonclod

1st.

Backed up by the next 9.

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: Cutepants
Lol, Henry Kissinger? One of the most corrupt and universally reviled deep staters. I'm not surprised you admire him!

Are you an anti-Semite? The head of the B'nai B'rith Lodge cannot be corrupt.
Anti-Semitism and Nazism always go together.

only the most corrupt of Jews were able to make it out of Hitler's empire and were able to establish the foot hold within the US Feds. There's actually a very simple reason Hitler, a Jew, would create the 3rd Reich. The very concept behind Christianity and the creation of "evil" or the "devil" giving free reign.

If it isn't for the bad... there would be no good. God needs the devil. Without Him He doesn't exist.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: NoMoreFools

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: NoMoreFools

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: IAMTAT

In Russia there are local regional media, there are federal media. "Federal" does not mean governmental. They are just universal.

So the , what is the “Federal Agency for Press and Mass Communications” also known as Rospechat?

Much more than a chain of newsstands.

The Federal Agency for Press and Mass Communications (Rospechat) is a regulatory state agency within the hierarchy of the Russian Government.[2]

en.wikipedia.org...(Russia)

Anyone else find it strange that RT won’t touch this?

Overall, I've found the OP to be extremely frank, cordial, responsive and relatively transparent.
There remains a certain amount of obfuscation concerning how closely his work is tied to the Russian government...but that is understandable considering the nature of this thread's topic.

I think he's said he lives just outside of Moscow.

He gives a pretty clear "picture" of what Russian people are being told by Russian media.

My profile says that I live in Saratov. It is 900 kilometers from Moscow.
If you do not know, and do not even want to know such simple facts, then how can you even judge Russia in any way?

I'm pretty sure you've previously described your home as 'a suburb (or town) outside moscow', not that it makes any difference (no need to be more specific than that).

Yes. That's what I thought.

And I check to see if they've listed location. Pretty sure it was added.

originally posted by: MikhailBakunin

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: Cutepants
Lol, Henry Kissinger? One of the most corrupt and universally reviled deep staters. I'm not surprised you admire him!

Are you an anti-Semite? The head of the B'nai B'rith Lodge cannot be corrupt.
Anti-Semitism and Nazism always go together.

only the most corrupt of Jews were able to make it out of Hitler's empire and were able to establish the foot hold within the US Feds. There's actually a very simple reason Hitler, a Jew, would create the 3rd Reich. The very concept behind Christianity and the creation of "evil" or the "devil" giving free reign.

If it isn't for the bad... there would be no good. God needs the devil. Without Him He doesn't exist.

Another 'blame the Jews' post?

(Insert my goto ridicule here)

a reply to: NoMoreFools

Yea for a freelance journalist he sure doesn't seem to keep with things that are happening in his country.

article from april of last year on RT, tranlated

“Head ... Mikhail Seslavinsky was relieved of his post. The department itself was previously abolished, and its functions were transferred by presidential decree to the Ministry of Digital Development, Communications and Mass Communications, ”the statement says.

The head of the abolished Rospechat, Seslavinsky, was relieved of his post

and from the russian govt website, translated

Supervisor Federal Agency for Press and Mass Communications (Rospechat) Mikhail Seslavinsky was relieved of his post. Samo the department was previously abolished, and its functions were transferred by decree of the President Ministry of Digital Development, Communications and Mass Media.

Mikhail Seslavinsky resigned as head of Rospechat

You will be disgraced, you should be ashamed of the forgery and attempt to deceive the members of our forum.

I am so disgraced now i can't stand myself.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: NoMoreFools

Russia is now a country of freedom and democracy. But the West has turned into a terrible dictatorship. About it on our site every day a lot of threads.

"Russia is now a country of freedom and democracy"







Who exactly do you think the "west's" dictator is?

I really don't know how to describe how ... that is without getting banned.

Most absurd pair of claims in the 21st century so far, and that's quite a list you just topped.

originally posted by: NoMoreFools

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Grimpachi

Someone else , maybe you? Was talking about the strategy of russia taking main roads.

It's a great idea. And honestly it's scary to think that putin is doing this.

I believe the one thing that will actually bring on ww3 is if russia wins this current war.
No way will the west let him keep all that land and resources.

Regardless of what our media may say they are not trying to take all of Ukraine.

They have goals that can be seen but haven't been stated. They are looking to create a buffer zone to Russia. All those rivers that both sides have lost hundreds of vehicles trying to cross they want under their control because those rivers will be just as hard to cross if they are invaded.

They needed the Crimea Canal to return water to Crimea. Crimea was becoming a desert and supplying water to the region was costing them billions each year.

They are going to take the regions that are heavily populated with ethnic Russians. I will be surprised if they don't focus on Odesa after they take the Donbas region.

I would have to look at a terrain map to be more certain about where they will concentrate.

As long as they don't try to take the entire country I don't think NATO will risk stepping steping in beyond support.

Weird. You’ll admit that they are trying to take land from a sovereign neighboring country. You’ll even describe why they’re doing it.

But you can’t say the words “Russia invaded a sovereign country”.

Witnessing cognitive dissonance in action is always fascinating.

You make a lot of claims.



That you don't back up




I am going to ask you one more time. Why do you feel obligated to call Ukraine a sovereign country/nation and why do you feel the need to make other people call it a sovereign country/nation.

It is fascinating. The last time I saw people doing something similar they kept saying "Kyle Rittenhouse crossed state lines" anytime the subject of Kenosha came up.

IMO it is some of the most obvious evidence that US citizens are subjected to social programing through media.

a reply to: Grimpachi

What a horrible and pathetic "whataboutism".

For shame.

a reply to: Grimpachi





Because Ukraine IS a sovereign nation.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Grimpachi





Because Ukraine IS a sovereign nation.

So was every nation we invaded aside from possibly Afghanistan.

No one had any qualms about them being sovereign nations then. Why is that factoid important now.

Did Ukraine have any qualms about invading Iraq with us? If so it didn't stop them. Iraq was also a sovereign nation.

It is really weird how you all find that designation sooo important now.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Grimpachi

Because Ukraine IS a sovereign nation.

So was every nation we invaded aside from possibly Afghanistan.

No one had any qualms about them being sovereign nations then. Why is that factoid important now.

Did Ukraine have any qualms about invading Iraq with us because it didn't stop them? Iraq was a sovereign nation.

It is really weird how you all find that designation sooo important now.

Let me get this straight…you have a problem with the US invading nations…but have no problem using it as an excuse for Russia invading?

That’s whataboutism, comrade. How very USSR.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: NoMoreFools

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Grimpachi

Someone else , maybe you? Was talking about the strategy of russia taking main roads.

It's a great idea. And honestly it's scary to think that putin is doing this.

I believe the one thing that will actually bring on ww3 is if russia wins this current war.
No way will the west let him keep all that land and resources.

Regardless of what our media may say they are not trying to take all of Ukraine.

They have goals that can be seen but haven't been stated. They are looking to create a buffer zone to Russia. All those rivers that both sides have lost hundreds of vehicles trying to cross they want under their control because those rivers will be just as hard to cross if they are invaded.

They needed the Crimea Canal to return water to Crimea. Crimea was becoming a desert and supplying water to the region was costing them billions each year.

They are going to take the regions that are heavily populated with ethnic Russians. I will be surprised if they don't focus on Odesa after they take the Donbas region.

I would have to look at a terrain map to be more certain about where they will concentrate.

As long as they don't try to take the entire country I don't think NATO will risk stepping steping in beyond support.

Weird. You’ll admit that they are trying to take land from a sovereign neighboring country. You’ll even describe why they’re doing it.

But you can’t say the words “Russia invaded a sovereign country”.

Witnessing cognitive dissonance in action is always fascinating.

You make a lot of claims.

That you don't back up

I am going to ask you one more time. Why do you feel obligated to call Ukraine a sovereign country/nation and why do you feel the need to make other people call it a sovereign country/nation.

It is fascinating. The last time I saw people doing something similar they kept saying "Kyle Rittenhouse crossed state lines" anytime the subject of Kenosha came up.

IMO it is some of the most obvious evidence that US citizens are subjected to social programing through media.

Ooooh. I get it. You don’t understand the word “sovereign”. Let me help:
“ : one possessing or held to possess supreme political power or sovereignty”

Ukraine is under their own control. As much as it chaps the butts of Russians, it’s a fact.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Grimpachi

Because Ukraine IS a sovereign nation.

So was every nation we invaded aside from possibly Afghanistan.

No one had any qualms about them being sovereign nations then. Why is that factoid important now.

Did Ukraine have any qualms about invading Iraq with us because it didn't stop them? Iraq was a sovereign nation.

It is really weird how you all find that designation sooo important now.

Another Whataboutism?

Is that all you got?




Did we ever attempt to steal land and resources from anyone?

Did we ever invade anyone who didn't first attack us or invade a non threatening country to steal territory, or hide those that did?



Why keep trying that nonsense when you know it isn't true and you'll never get away with it here?

a reply to: NoMoreFools

Let me get this straight…you have a problem with the US invading nations…but have no problem using it as an excuse for Russia invading?

There you go building a strawman again.

Quote where I said I have a problem with the US invading Nations in this thread.

If you need to lie about what I said to make a point then you never had one.


You seem to be avoiding my question of why the designation of a sovereign nation is so important to you. Is that designation supposed to make a difference? You are probably avoiding answering because you don't know why you find it so important now.

That’s whataboutism, comrade. How very USSR.

It isn't whataboutism. If you think that factoid is important and makes a difference with this conflict you should be able to explain why but I don't think you can.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Grimpachi

Because Ukraine IS a sovereign nation.

So was every nation we invaded aside from possibly Afghanistan.

No one had any qualms about them being sovereign nations then. Why is that factoid important now.

Did Ukraine have any qualms about invading Iraq with us because it didn't stop them? Iraq was a sovereign nation.

It is really weird how you all find that designation sooo important now.

Another Whataboutism?

Is that all you got?




Did we ever attempt to steal land and resources from anyone?

Did we ever invade anyone who didn't first attack us or invade a non threatening country to steal territory, or hide those that did?



Why keep trying that nonsense when you know it isn't true and you'll never get away with it here?

Yup. Whataboutism is literally all they’ve got.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: NoMoreFools

Let me get this straight…you have a problem with the US invading nations…but have no problem using it as an excuse for Russia invading?

There you go building a strawman again.

Quote where I said I have a problem with the US invading Nations in this thread.

If you need to lie about what I said to make a point then you never had one.


You seem to be avoiding my question of why the designation of a sovereign nation is so important to you. Is that designation supposed to make a difference? You are probably avoiding answering because you don't know why you find it so important now.

That’s whataboutism, comrade. How very USSR.

It isn't whataboutism. If you think that factoid is important and makes a difference with this conflict you should be able to explain why but I don't think you can.

1)no straw man. You said it. Your deflection was to point to US invasions. That’s whataboutism. Sorry bud.

2)it’s important to me because I do t like murderous, tyrannical, nazi style invasions.


It’s ok kiddo. I know you wont actually address topics at hand.

a reply to: NoMoreFools

1)no straw man. You said it. Your deflection was to point to US invasions. That’s whataboutism. Sorry bud.

Quote where I said what you claim or admit you lied.

2)it’s important to me because I do t like murderous, tyrannical, nazi style invasions.

That pretty much means that invaders of sovereign nations are all murderous, tyrannical, nazi style invasions.

You must really hate the US. I have news for you, barring a few sparse cases every invasion in modern history has been against sovereign nations yet this is the only one that I can remember it ever being a major talking point.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: NoMoreFools

1)no straw man. You said it. Your deflection was to point to US invasions. That’s whataboutism. Sorry bud.

Quote me or admit you lied.

2)it’s important to me because I do t like murderous, tyrannical, nazi style invasions.

That pretty much means that invaders of sovereign nations are all murderous, tyrannical, nazi style invasions.

You must really hate the US. I have news for you, barring a few sparse cases every invasion in modern history has been against soverign nations.

1)if you need me to quote the post you made on this page, that’s on you.

2)again, more whataboutism. You use the wrongs of the IS to deflect from the topic at hand. Seems to be your only tactic left. Well done, comrade. A bit sad that you all haven’t advanced beyond the same type of propaganda used in your mother land, the USSR in the 80’s.

Then again, seeing your military perform, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Seems mother Russia is stuck in the 80’s.