Archbishop bars Pelosi from communion over support for abortion rights

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

So , as of Now , Nancy Will Never Make it into the Christian Heaven . What are Her Other Options then ........> ?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I am glad they addressed this. Now if they could only do something about priests molesting little boys.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

That's between her and God.

All Pelosi has to do is denounce her Catholic faith.

Easy enough to do and this would not even be a story.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Medicine has advanced, but there most certainly was abortion "as we know it".

I would love to know how you k ow about abortion being practiced 2000 years ago and before ? A credible source would be great here ( and not Salon or MoveOn).

a reply to: DBCowboy

How can she benefit politically off it then?

originally posted by: St Udio
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus


Pelosi being Catholic is temporarily barred from 'communion' the rite of eating the body-&-blood of christ

instead Pelosi must subsist only on the Spirit-Cooking rite of eating martyrs (cake effigies of victims)

whoa... both rites are ritual cannibalism

I’m aware of what communion is thank you very much. Please don’t compare the Sacred Eucharist commemorating the Last Supper with Hillary’s nasty Spirit Cooking.
Your view evidently comes from some misunderstanding of the meaning of the ritual of Transubstantiation. Either that or your comment is just a joke. I’m not entirely certain.
A more liturgical view is this

This bread “is my body which will be given up for you,” Christ said. This cup “is the cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. It will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven.” He commanded that we continue to do this in memory of Him (cf. 1 Cor. 23-26).

faithmag.com...
It is interesting to note the forgiveness of sins in the ritual of Transubstantiation. It is an aspect of the Holy Spirit. It is also referred to as an alchemy (alchemical transformation) transforming simple bread and wine into the essence of Christ’s Presence. Again your interpretation is an error resulting from a literal interpretation.
Your suggestion that it is cannibalism is a mere literal idea of it rather than understanding it as a mystical tradition involving the Presence of God in the material substance, plus I sense a kind of crusty intellectualism I’m your argument ( likely taken from the crude analysis even I just found in the Internet).
Here is a better analysis

Start With the Incarnation Ponder these astounding words from the prologue to the Fourth Gospel: “In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God...And the word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth...” (John 1:1, 14a)

Sacred scripture is telling us that Almighty God has become part of the material world. And all for the purpose of working out our salvation through the human nature (body as well a soul) of his divine Son.

forcatholicholyeucharist.blogspot.com...
One can also understand the principle of Christ attainment. The Hindu religion actually has a better awareness of God as a principle and a person.
To the best of my awareness of so called “Spirit Cooking”, the thing started with some artist named Abramovic in which she actually refers to it as an occult practice. emptylighthouse.com...
Principally, it is the intent of the individual which makes the difference between black and white magic.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

for The Body of Christ. After all, Pelosi is only defending the Constitution and the Law of the Land, but the Catholic SCOTUS justices have the

Are you sure about that ? Nancy has professed her “ religion” and is Catholic, so yes the Archbishop does actually have that right to declare that she must forgo communion if she willingly promotes abortion. I am not too certain that Ms Pelosi is truly defending the Constitution, no matter what she pretends to be doing. She is a member of DSA so it is more likely that for her our Constitition is something which either stands in her way of her achieving her socialist goals or more as a tool by which she can use our own law against us in her war against America.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: The2Billies

Um again - you asked for Bible verses about abortion.

I did not.

In the time the Bible was written, THERE WAS NO ABORTION as we know it.

Medicine has advanced, but there most certainly was abortion "as we know it".

Saying someone can't take communion is NOT a threat.

No, it not. It's an actual attack. But, the bishop is using Pelosi as an example. Pelosi is not guilty of have an abortion, performing abortion or even the Roe V Wade ruling, which is currently the "law of the land".

There is no "canon law" on how politicians MUST legislate Catholic teachings into law. Yet, this bishop has decided to dip into political discourse by weaponizing the Eucharist if Catholic law makers don't force Catholic teachings onto the masses.

Of course this is a message to the Catholic justices sitting on the Supreme Court that they MUST rule the Catholic way, or face the same, or even worse alienation for The Body of Christ. After all, Pelosi is only defending the Constitution and the Law of the Land, but the Catholic SCOTUS justices have the opportunity right now to either rule that woman have an autonomous right to decide reproductive issues for themself, or if the Catholic Church, through theocratic legislation does.

For one thing, Archbishop Cordileone had a doctor of Canon Law degree, so I’m guessing he knows more about Canon Law than you do.

Thursday, saying he had previously warned her that he had “no choice but to make a declaration, in keeping with canon 915, that you are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.”

timesofsandiego.com...
915 Canon Law from the Vatican

nion. Can. 915 Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion.

www.vatican.va...
Also according to this... abortion is declared an evil in the Catholic Catechism

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable.

www.usccb.org...
Since the first century no less

She don't care
She's luciferin
Saturn worship

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: The2Billies

Um again - you asked for Bible verses about abortion.

I did not.

In the time the Bible was written, THERE WAS NO ABORTION as we know it.

Medicine has advanced, but there most certainly was abortion "as we know it".

Saying someone can't take communion is NOT a threat.

No, it not. It's an actual attack. But, the bishop is using Pelosi as an example. Pelosi is not guilty of have an abortion, performing abortion or even the Roe V Wade ruling, which is currently the "law of the land".

There is no "canon law" on how politicians MUST legislate Catholic teachings into law. Yet, this bishop has decided to dip into political discourse by weaponizing the Eucharist if Catholic law makers don't force Catholic teachings onto the masses.

Of course this is a message to the Catholic justices sitting on the Supreme Court that they MUST rule the Catholic way, or face the same, or even worse alienation for The Body of Christ. After all, Pelosi is only defending the Constitution and the Law of the Land, but the Catholic SCOTUS justices have the opportunity right now to either rule that woman have an autonomous right to decide reproductive issues for themself, or if the Catholic Church, through theocratic legislation does.

For one thing, Archbishop Cordileone had a doctor of Canon Law degree, so I’m guessing he knows more about Canon Law than you do.

Thursday, saying he had previously warned her that he had “no choice but to make a declaration, in keeping with canon 915, that you are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.”

timesofsandiego.com...
915 Canon Law from the Vatican

nion. Can. 915 Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion.

www.vatican.va...
Also according to this... abortion is declared an evil in the Catholic Catechism

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable.

www.usccb.org...
Since the first century no less

Canon law is not "legal law" in the USA where the Supreme Court is and this discussion is taking place. Canon law holds no legal sway at all in the US, Bishops do not have the power to enforce their law through arrest, jail, fines or any other means other than asking one not to participate in their group activities. This makes "Canon law" basically meaningless to non-Christians, but I suppose terrifying to the Christophobic who don't understand that in the USA, Canon Law is simply the rules of a group.

Canon law meant the Bishop had to tell Pelosi she could not eat or drink communion in the Catholic Church. Basically the rules of his group "Canon law", which do not apply in any formal governmental legal sense (arrest, jail, fines) to anyone outside the group in the USA, says if someone in the group won't follow its rules then the leaders of the group can not allow the person to eat or drink communion with them.

What a crime!!!! Is it worthy of calling it an illegal terrorist type threat? Is it worthy of arrest and jail for the Bishop as was demanded by a pro-abortion commenter earlier? I think not.

Big deal over basically a big nothing burger.

The people denied communion by the Catholic church can go to many different Christian churches and eat and drink communion with them. Especially Pelosi whose home is in San Francisco, I'd practically guarantee any LGBTQ+ Christian pastor in San Francisco would have chills running up and down their legs while giving Pelosi communion.

So now pro-abortion advocates are demanding that people who are in a group that tells that person they can't participate in a group activity because they broke the rules of the group - should be arrested and thrown in jail for it? Wow!!

Oh I guess if the groups rules offend the sensibilities of progressive liberals, but are quite legal, then arrest and jail. Very today's liberal left thinking I must admit, quite modern and widespread among the liberal left. If it offends liberals, they have the right to demand arrest, jail etc. even if it is legal for anyone to do or say under the constitution of the US. We are seeing this idea spread like cancer in the US right now.

The Catholic Church in the eyes of non-Christians is simply and only a large group of like minded people who get together for an activity. So what is the big deal? Atheists, agnostics, belong to very large pro-abortion groups, if God doesn't exist, if worship is meaningless and pointless, as is the stance of many if not most pro-abortionists, then a Christian group (denomination) is no different than the Democratic Party, except the DNC has way more influence and power in the USA.

I didn't say abortion didn't happen in the first century but simply that "abortion as we know it" did not happen in the first century. I clearly outlined how they did abortion in the first century:
#1 post-birth abortion through exposure or tossing into a pit or sacrificing to Baal or Molock or other gods (what many states are now proposing, post-birth abortion through exposure)
#2 giving labor inducing herbs to XX and then disposing of the fetus through exposure etc.
#3 pushing on the abdomen to induce labor and then disposing of the fetus through exposure etc.
The church declared it a moral evil, the question I was answering was about the Bible - the bible is translated and the translations prohibit infanticide, which was abortion in the first century.

Medical abortion as we know and define it, did not exist when the Bible was written, because pregnancy could only be suspected in the early stages and not confirmed. Confirmation occurred through physical signs like a "baby bump" and "quickening" (feeling movement), around the 2 trimester during which viability (ability to live outside the womb) occurs in the later stages of the 2nd trimester and the fetus in all stages of the 2nd trimester, is recognizable as a fully formed human being. Once a fetus is a fully formed human and can survive outside the womb, "abortion" becomes infanticide as far as I am concerned, that is where I personally draw the line. Most Democrats I know disagree and pro-abortion groups appear to have no issue with infanticide, calling it post-birth abortion to make it more palatable. Thus abortion was infanticide and infanticide was abortion in the first century, which the Bible does condemn.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Do you believe that abortion is a new phenomenon?

ANCIENT ROMAN ABORTIONS & CHRISTIANS

Abortion was practiced on a regular basis among the poor, slave, merchant and royal classes. To ancient peoples and the Romans an abortion was amoral. There was nothing in Roman law or in the Roman heart that said, “It is wrong to kill your baby in the womb.” Tertullian, the early Christian apologist, describes how doctors of the time performed abortions:

Ancient Egypt Abortion Methods and Herbs

The ancient Egyptians practiced birth control and abortion and have a long medical history. It is one of the oldest medical practices, evidence of which dates back to ancient Egypt, Rome, and Greece. Around 1550 B.C. ancient Egypt Abortion techniques used by Egyptian pharaohs were documented in the ancient Ebers Papyrus.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I doubt pelosi is bothered by this behind closed doors. Her default church is the church of satan.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

So , as of Now , Nancy Will Never Make it into the Christian Heaven . What are Her Other Options then ........> ?

She will be nominated speaker of hell. Instead of a gavel, she will have a pitchfork. She will then use the pitchfork at the door where she will be greeting all the other politicians who I am sure will be glad to see her.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Sookiechacha

If they don't believe in what Catholicism teaches why and how are they Catholic?

They believe in God and Jesus, but disagree with Popes and bishops. Even Popes edicts and bishops disagree with each other. They are flawed people. The church evolves, but God's covenant doesn't.

The Catholic Church is supposed to be the universal church, so kicking members to the curb for not agreeing with this Pope's edicts, or this Bishop's Synod is counterproductive to the church message. There are as many Catholic viewpoints as there are Catholics.

That's how.

Im sure you’re quite the expert on the Catholic Church snd canonical law and all that.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Do you believe that abortion is a new phenomenon?

ANCIENT ROMAN ABORTIONS & CHRISTIANS

Abortion was practiced on a regular basis among the poor, slave, merchant and royal classes. To ancient peoples and the Romans an abortion was amoral. There was nothing in Roman law or in the Roman heart that said, “It is wrong to kill your baby in the womb.” Tertullian, the early Christian apologist, describes how doctors of the time performed abortions:

Ancient Egypt Abortion Methods and Herbs

The ancient Egyptians practiced birth control and abortion and have a long medical history. It is one of the oldest medical practices, evidence of which dates back to ancient Egypt, Rome, and Greece. Around 1550 B.C. ancient Egypt Abortion techniques used by Egyptian pharaohs were documented in the ancient Ebers Papyrus.

No, I just wondered how you knew all about it. But I did find it in the Catholic Catechism supposedly first century.

a reply to: The2Billies

Canon law meant the Bishop had to tell Pelosi she could not eat or drink communion in the Catholic Church. Basically the rules of his group "Canon law", which do not apply in any formal governmental legal sense (arrest, jail, fines) to anyone o

Yes, that is why I put it in my post since someone here thought the Archbishop didn’t know Canon Law. Also, in the article I posted, the Archbishop himself says it’s not a political decision, it’s purely on the spiritual level. Oddly Pelosi seemed to
Think it hurt her reputation and the cause but it may be more crocodile theatrics on her part.
And if I’m not mistaken, this entire thread is about Pelosi being told not to partake of communion. Biden’s priest also recommended the same thing years ago when he was VP.
So even though it won’t change what they do, it still lays down the “Spiritual law” regarding the Church’s stance on abortion.
Additionally, I never implied that Canon Law was legal in terms of jailing people or whatever. Canon Law 915 was referenced specifically by the Archbishop in Pelosis case, regarding the taking of communion by Catholics.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

My aunt was a nun.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

My aunt was a nun.

How nice for you.

There is no "canon law" on how politicians MUST legislate Catholic teachings into law. Yet, this bishop has decided to dip into political discourse by weaponizing the Eucharist if Catholic law makers don't force Catholic teachings onto the masses.

No but there IS Canon Law dealing with people who deliberately use their religious affiliation while flouting the Catholic Catechism. The Archbishop is saying that she must forgo communion while actively pursuing political goals which go against Catholic doctrine, in this case it’s abortion. I’m
Sorry it bothers you for a Catholic Archbishop to make it clear the Churches stance.
On another note, there IS evidence of the communists infiltrating the Church from within to subverts the teachings and the religion.
www.politics-prose.com...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

My aunt was a nun.

Aunt is a nun, clearly you know more than the Archbishop about Catholicism then.