Archbishop bars Pelosi from communion over support for abortion rights

a reply to: Sookiechacha

John was a born player.

It was very difficult for him. Surely you sympathize?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Yup, trans-Catholics everywhere you look.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Did Judas say what he did was right, and he would do it again, and anyone who is against betraying God is evil?

Did Jesus deny Judas the Eucharist or not? Answer the question.

So when Pelosi admits what she did was wrong,

What? You want a report from the priest she offers confession to? You don't know her heart. Hypocrite!

I'm feeling dirty here, but I'll go ahead with it anyhow. I agree with Sookies point. It's a political tool when used as it's appearing. I am a confirmed Catholic, yet I became a freemason, and I'm told I'm not able to receive communion anymore. Now any church I enter will not know my history, and if I stand in line for the wafer, I get the wafer.

She should be excommunicated to make it official, and as public and political is they want it to be. Just don't hide behind sanctimonious ritual. I need a shower.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

So she is saying Catholic women should not feel bad for having/supporting abortions, she herself does. Exactly as I claimed. You ask for evidence, it's given, and then you just shift goalposts.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

False. She says I am a Catholic and I think it's fine for women to have abortions. She is NOT saying 'I think it's wrong, but I cant choose for others'.

a reply to: network dude

I would agree except the Archbishop already reached out to Pelosi about this privately. Pelosi ignored him.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Name me one time Pelosi has spoken out against abortion.

Just one.

Please.

Why would she speak out against a woman's choice? I think the fact she has 5 children she carried and gave birth tells you what you need to know about her own choices. Why would you want Nancy Pelosi making family planning decisions for you?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

False. She says I am a Catholic and I think it's fine for women to have abortions. She is NOT saying 'I think it's wrong, but I cant choose for others'.

She says "I'm Catholic" but I'm not going to make decisions for you, like the church wants me to." She thinks it's a woman's choice, not Catholic politicians or judges.

I would agree except the Archbishop already reached out to Pelosi about this privately. Pelosi ignored him.

She already had a meeting with the Pope on the subject. Popes trump bishops, every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Name me one time Pelosi has spoken out against abortion.

Just one.

Please.

Why would she speak out against a woman's choice? I think the fact she has 5 children she carried and gave birth tells you what you need to know about her own choices. Why would you want Nancy Pelosi making family planning decisions for you?

So you are saying that Pelosi doesn't care about the religious aspect.

'kay.

Y'all are missing the best thing about this.

No matter what your beliefs.....

This embarrassed her, and pissed her off.

Those are the only 2 points that matter to me.

LOL

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: carewemust

Everything in context.

The context is Catholic teachings verses Catholic politicians forcing those teaching on the people they've been elected to represent through legislation.

Remember when JFK promised not to be ruled by the Vatican, and then went on to have extra marital affairs? Was JFK denied the Eucharist for his refusal to promote Catholic teachings and his infidelity?

Did JFK confess to the church he was unfaithful? Otherwise it was just a rumor.

Nancy and Joe's Catholic violations are facts that they both brag about.

For those who aren't aware, Presidential candidate Joe Biden was barred by the Catholic church from receiving Holy Communion, after he repeatedly authorized baby-murder, while on the campaign trail.

ATS thread on the subject: www.abovetopsecret.com...

His PEDO sins added more weight to his burden.

a reply to: carewemust

Did JFK confess to the church he was unfaithful? Otherwise it was just a rumor.

It's not just a rumor. JFK's infidelity is well documented. You think the confession booth should be a matter of public record for Catholic politicians?

Nancy and Joe's Catholic violations are facts that they both brag about.

Which one them had a abortion?

I don't think refusing to force your religious beliefs on the public, if you're a politician or a judge, is an actual Catholic doctrine. Otherwise, judges couldn't be unbiased and Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Alito and Barret lied under oath, when they said they would never rule based on Catholic doctrine and their relgious beliefs.

a reply to: network dude

Nah, they are not going to excommunicate her, she and Biden
both have been denied the practice. This is about something
else and has nothing to do with real morality.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Numbers 5:11-31

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

By the way, where in the Bible did God or Jesus have anything to say about abortion?

bible.knowing-jesus.com...

There are 32 verses in the bible about child sacrifice.

What they did 2000 years ago when there was no "abortion", was have the child or induce early labor with herbs or through abdominal pressure, and then ritually sacrifice the infants to Baal or Molock or other "gods". If they didn't do that they threw them into infant pits and left them to die, several such pits have been found under ancient brothels. www.livescience.com...

In Biblical times, abortion was mostly having live babies and leaving them to die somewhere or killing them outright when the Bible was written.

Kind of like the bills that are currently pending in California and Maryland. If they pass as currently written they will legally allow post-birth abortion of a healthy infant born to a healthy XX (I won't insult you by saying mother since it is now a transphobic word that is gauche in politically correct circles)

There appears to be a movement and great support for post-birth abortion among the pro-abortion crowd, what was "abortion" when the Bible was written. cnsnews.com... : www.washingtonpost.com... : www.eutimes.net... : www.christianpost.com...

For the words about that are written in the Christian bible about infanticide (the form of ancient abortion) go to the link at the top of the post for those.

Anyway, abortion as we know it did not exist during the times when the Bible was written, the majority of "abortions" were infanticide, and there are many verses in the Bible about that.

Probably why Christophobic pro-abortionist liberal progressives are starting to embrace what they call post-birth abortion (what I call infantcide), because they think if the Bible condemns it that it must be moral, right and just to engage in.

I applaud the Bishop for taking a stance. Pelosi can still get communion at any church she wants to that embraces LGBTQ+ and has a LGBTQ+ pastor. Nothing stopping her from going elsewhere to get communion. So no need to get all twisted up over it. The Bishop was taking a stand he felt necessary because she was engaging in what is heresy for the Catholic church. The Bible says if you think someone has violated the tenets of faith in your congregation and is sinning or encouraging others to sin, first talk to them (done with Pelosi over and over), then talk with them again in with others (done), and then talk to them in public (done), if they still persist, remove them from your congregation.

Pelosi, if she really is a Christian in her heart can easily find a church in San Francisco who will give her communion and embrace her desire to encourage abortion. So no tears from me about it, she can still get communion if she wants it, just not at the Catholic Church, so what, big deal.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Are you saying that the pope agrees with Pelosi on abortion, or did I read that wrong?

a reply to: The2Billies

There are 32 verses in the bible about child sacrifice.

Abortion isn't a religious ritual, it's a personal decision.

What they did 2000 years ago when there was no "abortion"

Abortion was quite popular 2000+ years ago. So popular as matter of fact, that they picked the common herbal abortifacient to extinction.
vintagenewsdaily.com...
ancientegyptianfacts.com...

In Biblical times, abortion was mostly having live babies and leaving them to die somewhere or killing them outright when the Bible was written.

That's not abortion, that infanticide.
earlychurchhistory.org...
www.ancient-origins.net...

I applaud the Bishop for taking a stance.

The bishop should be arrested for threatening the Catholic Supreme Court justices. If the Catholic SCOTUS justices think that if they don't rule the "Catholic" way on the current challenge to Roe before them, that they could be denied the Eucharist, excommunicated and alienated from "The Body of Christ if they don't, then that's a real threat, and those justices can't honor their oaths.

The United States of American is NOT a theocracy. The Bishop needs to be arrested and tried. And, if his threats succeed, and those Catholic justices make their decisions based on the Church's edict, they need to be removed, impeached from the court for cause.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Um again - you asked for Bible verses about abortion. In the time the Bible was written, THERE WAS NO ABORTION as we know it. It was infantcide at birth or using herbs to induce labor and then killing the newborn, or putting pressure on the uterus until labor began and killing the infant if it was born alive. Infanticide was abortion in Biblical times, and there are lots of verses about infanticide which was abortion in that day and age. Also, I gave you lots of links to Democrats/liberals/progressives who are actually saying that post-birth abortion (infantcide) be should made legal.

Saying someone can't take communion is NOT a threat.
So what? Anyone who is ex-communicated from the Catholic Church can find another church to take communion at.

If we jailed every leader of a group who asks someone to leave their group because their values didn't match the values of the group - well that is totalitarian, authoritarianism.

The Bishops did NOT threaten anyone, they simply said you can't be in our group if you violate the basic rules of our group.

Should a liberal that is asked to leave a liberal group because they disagreed with one of their major values demand that the group be sent to jail for threatening them? That is what you are demanding and asking for. Should I be arrested and jailed if I attend a pro-abortion group and say that I am ok with abortion up until viability (week 24) if XX and the fetus are both physically healthy? That is against the basic values of the pro-abortion crowd so they would kick me out of the group, especially if I went to the media and said I was pro-abortion up until viability and at that point was pro-life. According to you the I should then have the right to have the leaders of the pro-abortion group arrested and jailed for kicking me out.

The Bishop needs to be arrested and tried.

Pelosi et.al. can just laugh it off and go to another Christian church, there are plenty who would welcome them and give them communion.

I don't get the big deal. The Bishop can say you are ex-communicated, and that doesn't prevent anyone from having communion at another Christian church, nor does it prevent anyone from attending a Catholic Church, it only means they can't take communion at that particular church - so what? Your answer is to arrest and try them? Totally totalitarian, dictatorial, and destructive idea which will end freedom of thought and speech.

The Bishop didn't assault anyone, didn't tell someone they could not go into a Catholic Church, only said they could not take communion in that particular church - so try and arrest and jail him?

WOW, that is truly an excellent example of a liberal/progressive idea of how to handle people they disagree with, that the Democratic Party seems to embrace with relish.

What you are advocating is scary oppression Chinese style, you won't let someone stay in your group because they openly despise your groups written rules, so you need to demand they be arrested, jailed, and prosecuted?

That is what you have advocated . Very oppressive, very intolerant.

Let's say someone belongs to an art group. The group decides to shift media, the person disagrees with the shift and stays in the group refusing to use the medium the rest of the group is using. The person then goes to the media disparaging the media the group is using. So the group says, you can no longer belong to our particular art group. According to what you said, the person should call the police, get the group leaders arrested and jailed. If you are an atheist, there is no difference at all between this scenario and what you are advocating.

Arrest and jail group leaders who asks a person who openly rejects their rules to leave their group. Really??? If you are an atheist, there is no God, no Jesus, and the Catholic Church is no different than an art club or a pro-abortion group.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04
It’s not the first time these people have been barred from communion. Joe Biden was barred from it years ago during the Obama admin. Not like it really stopped them. But it is still an important action especially from a moral, ethical, and karmic standpoint. I’m sure Crocodile Nancee is trembling in her boots like she did when cried over the gathering of Brooks Bros T Party activists.