London Drugs Commission to look at legalising cannabis

originally posted by: Albert999

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Sounds

Sounds like its upset a load of old folks.

Just give them some edibles and they will be fine.

As to stoners intimidating local residents, you might need to elaborate on that one, how so?

Bad antisocial behaviour apparently, and he knows for 100% FACT, that it's just MJ they are on and nothing else. No booze nothing, just MJ. lol

This reminded me of one dude when i was a teenager, the local dealers found out that his parents made lots of money, so they forced the dude to buy them a ton of growing equipment some months later they tried to do that again because the cops had taken the previous ones, he refused, so they tied him up in a chair and tried to break his knees, the guy had to move to a different city because they would not leave him be. See? only healthy positive things germinate from those little seeds.

a reply to: XipeTotex

Take the criminal aspect out of it and they wouldn't have been able to do that would they.

I could tell you stories that would shock and horrify most people....if the act of buying and selling wasn't illegal the vast majority of them would never have happened at all.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: XipeTotex

Take the criminal aspect out of it and they wouldn't have been able to do that would they.

I could tell you stories that would shock and horrify most people....if the act of buying and selling wasn't illegal the vast majority of them would never have happened at all.

By taking the criminal aspect out of it, it means what? big pharma&tobacco? they will ruin the plant and use it as a weapon, like they do with everything else.

Then there is the option of not making it readily available, but to stop punishing people for it. This means that organized criminal gangs take over, like in many european countries, there are thugs that distribute all that stuff in bars and so on. and they can operate openly, i did not like those vibes at all, and i dont think violence was reduced because of those policies.

What we really need in my opinion is real education, not reefer madness propaganda, but people need to also understand that the plant really is not a gift from god that can and will solve all the problems, like some people are trying to make it look like. And what are the chances that people get good information instead of manipulation? pretty much a round zero.

a reply to: XipeTotex

The one thing I do agree with you on; the need for education.
Genuine, unbiased education and not just fear mongering and pushing the anti-drug agenda.
People need to know the realities, the cold hard facts free from any over-bearing holier-than-thou, 'I know what's best', political bias and outdated hypocritical morals and values.

Personal choice.
Why is that such a bad concept?

Who has the right to tell grown adults what they can or can not do in their own homes?
As long as their personal choice isn't interfering with anyone else's personal choice where is the problem?

a reply to: Freeborn

When they drive while still stoned?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

That's as stupid and dangerous as with alcohol, or any other drug for that matter.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

It has to be regulated mate.

And none of this soft-sentencing bollocks.

Caught first time; banned for 5 years.
Second times; banned for life and 5 years imprisonment.
Third time; lifed off.

No ifs, buts or maybe's.
No time off for 'good behaviour'.

Some people may find this pretty ironic but I don't do all this soft-sentencing nonsense.😉

a reply to: Freeborn

As a Prosecutor I couldn't possibly comment!

Although not for the CPS.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

As 'anonymous' as this site is I still wouldn't expect you to comment too much on things like this.😉

a reply to: Freeborn

Oops!

I'm sorry my accurate observations offended you but it's the truth.
Maybe users feel attacked on a personal level because you're talking to them like you know what you're talking about, when it's blatantly obvious you don't.

Why don't you to think about that?

originally posted by: XipeTotex

originally posted by: Albert999

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Never known anybody stoned to hurt someone.

Plenty of sick evil drunks.

Its apples and oranges really.

Plus most drunk people who smoke cannabis simply fall asleep or just get the munchies.

Facts, well known facts. Apparently not that will known tho . 😬 lol

I have known several "hippies" dreads an all, who were very violent human beings, beat up their girlfriends and sent them to hospitals, one of them tried to force me to cut their locks off with a pair of scissors, after a while he fell, hit his head on the ground, and when the ambulance came and tey tried to help him, he proceeded to knock out one of the paramedics. But yeah, not at all naive to say that all stoners are chill and harmless, or that it does not cause antisocial behaviour.

Wow you're really proving my point here, your brush seems to be rather broad? 🙄

Dbl

originally posted by: XipeTotex

originally posted by: Albert999

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Sounds

Sounds like its upset a load of old folks.

Just give them some edibles and they will be fine.

As to stoners intimidating local residents, you might need to elaborate on that one, how so?

Bad antisocial behaviour apparently, and he knows for 100% FACT, that it's just MJ they are on and nothing else. No booze nothing, just MJ. lol

This reminded me of one dude when i was a teenager, the local dealers found out that his parents made lots of money, so they forced the dude to buy them a ton of growing equipment some months later they tried to do that again because the cops had taken the previous ones, he refused, so they tied him up in a chair and tried to break his knees, the guy had to move to a different city because they would not leave him be. See? only healthy positive things germinate from those little seeds.

Sigh..

Listen, we are talking about stoners causing trouble and being violent because they are high on MJ. It doesn't exist because MJ on it's own does NOT do that to people.

Don't get me wrong stoners can be violent, IF MJ is mixed with booze or other drugs, or if they have mental health Issues, or some rare reaction maybe, but stoners are not violent or roudy.

Is there crime and violence around the distribution of MJ? Of course there is, just like any criminalised drug. So your sarcasm was wasted there in afraid.

Just accept that you are ignorant and arrogant towards MJ, and that you don't really know that much about it. It will do you good.

It also might make you realise how silly your MJ is a cult religion analogy is, there is no cult, just people who get fed up with people like you.

Sorry for being so blunt, but I feel I've saved myself a lot of time and frustration by being up front with you from the get go (not attacking you).

I do agree that there needs to be much more education around MJ though, it isn't for everybody and like anything needs to be used in moderation. You still don't get violent though when it's not used in moderation

Grrr dbl

originally posted by: Albert999
I'm sorry my accurate observations offended you but it's the truth.
Maybe users feel attacked on a personal level because you're talking to them like you know what you're talking about, when it's blatantly obvious you don't.

Why don't you to think about that?

I find it kinda funny that you believe i dont know what i am talking about. Lets just say that i am being honest and have stopped lying to myself a long time ago. But think as you wish, i do not have a horse in this race. Good day.

originally posted by: XipeTotex

originally posted by: Albert999
I'm sorry my accurate observations offended you but it's the truth.
Maybe users feel attacked on a personal level because you're talking to them like you know what you're talking about, when it's blatantly obvious you don't.

Why don't you to think about that?

I find it kinda funny that you believe i dont know what i am talking about. Lets just say that i am being honest and have stopped lying to myself a long time ago. But think as you wish, i do not have a horse in this race. Good day.

Hey, I could be wrong about you as a whole, I'll agree there.

But judging from your posts on this subject, it is very clear that you 'think' you know quite a bit about it, when it is extremely clear that you don't.

There is no cult
There is no religion
Stoners are not violent law breakers (unless there is more than just MJ at play)

These are the things you disagree on.

You also 100% agreed with another members post, who happened to get called out on his BS in that post, so he left the thread. Unfortunately he left you behind because he dgaf.

You also haven't backed up the claim that 1 dose of MJ can be like 800au of LSd, where's the link? I did ask you nicely.

As I said, you were right and I do agree that there should be more education. But the rest you are wrong about I'm afraid.

a reply to: Albert999

I said 80-100 mics.

Your average street dose.

Sorry links for those are against the rules of the site.

MJ is also comparable to a gram of mushrooms, altho i have never seen or heard about anyone getting a full blown panic attack or a temporary psychotic episode from a small dose of mushrooms, but with MJ the chances of that happening are quite high.

a reply to: XipeTotex

Having done both Maryjane and shrooms i can tell you fellow, one does not equate to the other.

Now if its temporary psychotic episodes and full blown panic attacks your after.

Large quantities of amphetamine and sleep deprivation for about a week or so will manifest those discombobulations in spades.

And the thing about your ""average street dose"" is those may vary with any and all drugs that are not regulated.

originally posted by: XipeTotex
a reply to: Albert999

I said 80-100 mics.

Your average street dose.

Sorry links for those are against the rules of the site.

MJ is also comparable to a gram of mushrooms, altho i have never seen or heard about anyone getting a full blown panic attack or a temporary psychotic episode from a small dose of mushrooms, but with MJ the chances of that happening are quite high.

Says who???