London Drugs Commission to look at legalising cannabis

originally posted by: UpThenDown
a reply to: AaarghZombies

lots of late night chocolate eating and pizza eating, weed does not generally make the smoker want to bare their ass in public or throw up on the pavement, stoners usually just chill and watch late night TV.

Maybe it's different where you come from, round here Weed is indelibly linked to anti-social behavior, stoners setting up camp in local parks or vacant lots, getting high with the music turned up and intimidating local residents.

We've also got a problem with people getting kids high ... then liberating them of their panties.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

But stuff like Skunk is way stronger than the weed w.... I mean some folk used to smoke. So I'm told, anyway.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Skunk and Super Skunk....

Legalise it or even decriminalise it and a lot of those problems simply go away.....literally, in a puff of smoke.

Obviously a certain amount of regulation would be required but the key is education.

I don't know how widely travelled you are but I've been to lots of places where cannabis is legal, decriminalised or simply tolerated.
Go into any weed shop and ask about their product and what they recommend.
Its in their best interests to have a happy customer who will come back again and not one that is wiped out etc.

Never really known someone who is stoned want to glass anyone and fight the world.
Unfortunately I can't say the same for alcohol....

a reply to: Freeborn

If you legalize it what kind of message are you sending out, that the government says that it's OK to hide from your problems by numbing yourself to reality?

I'm pretty widely travelled, I've been around the world and back again several times. Both sides of the Iron curtain, places that you've probably never heard of, places where abject poverty is the norm, places where the wealth is obscene. All kinds of places.

Drugs don't fix social problems, they don't bring families together or mend broken relationships, they won't make your life better they just help you to forget about the bad parts for a short while. Then they inevitably make them worse.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Never really known someone who is stoned want to glass anyone and fight the world.

Ever seen a stoner having a psychotic break and thinking that you're some kind of monster in human form, and not knowing whether to run away form you in terror or to stab you with the kitchen knife that they've just picked up?

a reply to: Freeborn

The slam dunk for the nay sayers is that it's a gateway drug Freeborn,. I doubt they will legalise it. If they did I would grow it lol.

a reply to: gortex

'LONDON Drugs Commision'? Expert advice from Univerdity College LONDON?

Is this Sadiqs bid to set policy nationwide or is it a declaration of independance?

a reply to: AaarghZombies

If you legalize it what kind of message are you sending out,....

That its ok for grown adults to make decisions for themselves about what they can or can not do.

.... that the government says that it's OK to hide from your problems by numbing yourself to reality?

Take away as much as possible what is crap in people's lives then maybe they wouldn't want to escape as much.
But that is getting away from the fact that the vast majority of people who use cannabis do so for enjoyment and to relax and do so with absolutely no harmful affects whatsoever.
Same applies for most drugs....but we can't have the wider discussion here.

Again, the vast majority of cannabis users - of which I'm not one - manage perfectly fine and are fully functioning and productive members of society.

I'm pretty widely travelled, I've been around the world and back again several times. Both sides of the Iron curtain, places that you've probably never heard of,.....

Oh, your arrogance and ignorance come shining through there mate....lots of assumptions and I'd suggest quite incorrect one's.

.... places where abject poverty is the norm, places where the wealth is obscene. All kinds of places.

You're point?

Drugs don't fix social problems,....

Never said they did....and never would.

.... they don't bring families together or mend broken relationships, they won't make your life better they just help you to forget about the bad parts for a short while.

For some people that's all they have.
First I'd say that we as a society should be addressing the problems you mention....alas we live in a world where all people want to do is ban and prohibit and not solve core issues anymore.
But I think that's a different discussion.

I've always got the impression that most people take drugs because they enjoy them.
Unfortunately that's a fact that far too many people are conditioned to ignore or refuse to accept.

Drugs should be a personal choice.....as long as that personal choice doesn't infringe on the personal choice of others.
Ring any bells?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Freeborn

If you legalize it what kind of message are you sending out, that the government says that it's OK to hide from your problems by numbing yourself to reality?

but its ok to drink you blues away?


who cares what the government think, Its an outdated law, and as someone who has smoked since my teens (obviously less now than my youth), i can honestly say the strength of weed does not make people any more aggresive, imagine if it were legalised and all of a sudden those dealers end up paying tax instead of costing tax to incarcerate them

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
Drugs don't fix social problems, they don't bring families together or mend broken relationships, they won't make your life better they just help you to forget about the bad parts for a short while. Then they inevitably make them worse.

And neither does alcohol, not everyone is trying to fix something, some people just want to relax and get on with their own life

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originally posted by: CloneFarm1000

originally posted by: UpThenDown
a reply to: AaarghZombies



roll it up, light it up, inhale and exhale

Careful about promoting that ideology on ATS.
You might get treaded on.

another rule that needs to be changed based on the fact it is legal in so many places now, such as in ALL of Canada. and so it should be free to talk about. and if some country, state town etc, has problems with people in their jurisdiction talking about it or posting about it, then their local law enforcement should be the ones to deal with it (as with all such things on the internet that they might not like, or find illegal).

it actually amusing that years ago, long before it was legalized anywhere in the US or Canada,i lived in a 16 unit apartment building. a building full of "decent", clean cut, working, law abiding (for the most part), citizens. and after i lived there awhile i knew through seeing them smoke it, that out of those 16 units, that at the least people in 11 of those units smoked it.

now moving back to the city after ten years away, and it becoming completely legal (you can even smoke it in public, while walking down the sidewalk), the ONLY problem it has caused, is that there a millions of weed bags, jars, and disposable vapers and batteries for them lying around the ground everywhere. not to mention all the pot stores everywhere, i have a least four or five within a half mile of my place. even just saw a news story the other day that said out of the hundreds of pot stores that have opened since legalization, only about ten have closed for any reason. and just like way back before legalization, other than the trash, you see no more signs or problems from it's use now that it is legal.

This would be a mistake.
The crime rate in some communities would jump when they do this.

a reply to: gortex

***PLEASE dont dump my post!! Im not discussing....that. No personal experiences friends!!!!

FYI:
In that regard to business and retail acceptance:...We've been rec and med legal in Michigan and across in Windsor Canada for awhile. We have corner stores and in Detroit Metro-another 150+ stores granted licensing.

Now that it is legal....we seem to have no issues, treat it like going for milk, bread, an 1/8 ounce and diapers....well...you get it. No driving, no public use etc.

And its brought $$$$$$$$$$$$$ to our state. Canada Im sure as well.....

a reply to: generik

In support of ATS and the Mods here...youve been here a long time too...We are a "Private Members Only" Forum. Check it out. As such, ATS has rules we all agreed to when we joined. Free-for-all sites can be found elsewhere.

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It isnt about free speech...but, decorum. Also makes us 1 step up, you know?

Stay well generik

The arrogance of lawmakers to think they know what's best for us.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: UpThenDown
a reply to: AaarghZombies

lots of late night chocolate eating and pizza eating, weed does not generally make the smoker want to bare their ass in public or throw up on the pavement, stoners usually just chill and watch late night TV.

I am all for legalisation, lets not forget the medicinal benefits of weed, people with chronic pain and other conditions benefit from it as oppossed to pharma produce drugs and there side effects

roll it up, light it up, inhale and exhale

One of the biggest problems with weed is that the high wears off long before all of the other effects, so people think that they're sober when they're still impaired. It's why weed is linked to so many accidents around the home, not to mention DUI and industrial accidents.

People get high and come morning they don't feel the effects any more, but their balance and reaction times are still way down. It's especially bad with long term users who feel sober long before they actually are.

I heard that reaction time impairment propaganda since I was 15 years old (40+ years ago), hanging out at Turners Arcade.
Without exception the stoners ALWAYS had the high scores on the pinball machines and all the rest of the video games.

That's when I learned to distrust the the official narrative on everything.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Stay classy, Aargh Zombies...

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: UpThenDown
a reply to: AaarghZombies

lots of late night chocolate eating and pizza eating, weed does not generally make the smoker want to bare their ass in public or throw up on the pavement, stoners usually just chill and watch late night TV.

Maybe it's different where you come from, round here Weed is indelibly linked to anti-social behavior, stoners setting up camp in local parks or vacant lots, getting high with the music turned up and intimidating local residents.

We've also got a problem with people getting kids high ... then liberating them of their panties.

Sounds like you assume that is just weed they are smoking. I'd bet there's alcohol involved and maybe even synthetic weeds too (spice)
Literally nowhere in the world is there antisocial behaviour due to marijuana alone.
You're talking sh1te.

a reply to: Moohide

That's the thing...they don't save money, they lose it! They confiscate an ungodly amount of money and property...then there is all the kick backs and such for judges and politicans for stacking the private prisons which suck up tons of government money.