British Brimstone missile now in the hands of the Russian military

The Ukrainian security forces used a Brimstone missile in the Zaporozhye region. The way it is described it sounds like they fired from out of range. Now Russia has an intact Brimstone missile they can send back and reverse engineer.

Giving high-tech weapon systems to Ukrainian forces without the proper training can result in all kinds of mishaps.






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UK pledges Brimstone missiles, Malloy drones and EW systems to Ukraine

Speaking to the Ukrainian Parliament via video link on 3 May, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson confirmed that Brimstone anti-ship missiles would be delivered to Ukraine in the coming weeks.

The UK is supplying the maritime variant of the missile to Ukraine and various other equipment — including specialised Toyota Land Cruisers, electronic warfare systems, GPS jammers, Stormer armoured vehicles, heavy-lift UAVs and counter-battery radars — will also be sent to the country as it continues to resist the Russian invasion.

So 'we' will have to upgrade. WooHoo! Quids in!

Raytheon CEO Greg Hayes recently told a meeting of shareholders that, “Everything that ‘s being shipped into Ukraine today, of course, is coming out of stockpiles, either at DOD or from our NATO allies, and that’s all great news. Eventually we’ll have to replenish it and we will see a benefit to the business.”

www.ronpaulinstitute.org... a reply to: Grimpachi

a reply to: Kester

They're going to need a couple of billion more for R&D.

Reason: They can't let other nations reach par with their tech.

a reply to: Grimpachi

I'll search out some change from the car.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Yeah the Brimstone missile entered service in 2005 so if Russia has not obtained one in the last 17 years they are really slipping. It would explain a lot actually.

That Russia has to reverse-engineer anything to develop a weapon speaks volumes about how dysfunctional their armaments industry is.

Of course, to develop original products, they would have to encourage freedom of thought and initiative in their own society, which isn't going to happen as long as control freaks like Putin are in charge.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Or they could do like us and spend billions and billions of taxpayer dollars on their development.

Did all that development and money win anything in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria besides wounded vets and a country that still has a homeless problem and huge drug problem?

I know some special interests made a bundle but what about the rest of the country?

This of course was always going to happen.

NATO countries send billions of dollars of military hardware to Ukraine and Russia makes territorial gains and scoops it all up.

Duh.

a reply to: CJCrawley

yeah the brimstone missile has been around since 2005. The brimstone 2 has been around since 2014. Both missiles were used extensively in Libya and Afghanistan. Germany, Qatar and Saudi Arabia all have bought the missile.

Russia is slipping.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Grimpachi

Yeah the Brimstone missile entered service in 2005 so if Russia has not obtained one in the last 17 years they are really slipping. It would explain a lot actually.

russian military technology is currently about 20 years behind where we were in 2005, and these weren't exactly the best western systems back then.

It will likely take russia and ccp at least 5 years to reverse engineer and deploy poorly made copies of these, making them still more than 20 years behind 'western average', and 30+ years behind 'western best' at that point.

But still unfortunate that one fell into enemy hands.

a reply to: Grimpachi

It's China that you need to worry about. They're the goto guys for reverse engineering these days.

The stealth blackhawk from the bin laden mission ended up there.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Kester

They're going to need a couple of billion more for R&D.

Reason: They can't let other nations reach par with their tech.

I am entertained (daily) by the regular members of this forum who constantly troll your threads.

It used to be just the people who made new accounts to throw stones from.

More laffs for me. Love these threads, Grimpachi. I S&F every one of 'em!!

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Kester

They're going to need a couple of billion more for R&D.

Reason: They can't let other nations reach par with their tech.

I am entertained (daily) by the regular members of this forum who constantly troll your threads.

It used to be just the people who made new accounts to throw stones from.

More laffs for me. Love these threads, Grimpachi. I S&F every one of 'em!!

So you think russia capturing a missile designed 20 years ago, that's at least 25 years older then the best western systems, is somehow significant enough to create yet another daily disposable russian propaganda thread?

In what way?



The biden idiot already lost control of far more significant tech last year anyway.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Shrugs….

In seven weeks of fighting, Ukrainian troops have captured no fewer than 982 Russian vehicles. Among them are some of the Russian army’s most sophisticated ground-based sensors and electronic-warfare systems.

www.forbes.com...

a reply to: Grimpachi

Now Russia has an intact Brimstone missile they can send back and reverse engineer.

That should be fun to see. A " Super Duper " Russian T90M Tank got blown up within a couple of days of entering Ukraine.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Grimpachi

Now Russia has an intact Brimstone missile they can send back and reverse engineer.

That should be fun to see. A " Super Duper " Russian T90M Tank got blown up within a couple of days of entering Ukraine.

Took a while to find it, it's a pretty big country.

The more interesting bit is how many minutes it survived after being found.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
somehow significant enough to create yet another daily disposable russian propaganda thread?

In what way?

It's taking the wind out of the Narrative's sails.

Somehow this antiquated technology (paraphrasing your description) isn't on-par with the Russians using their antiquated technology to turn The Ukraine into a punk-state ... and expelling Western Political Influences ... read that as getting rid of the money launderers cleaning up Billions and Billions and Billions of stolen US Tax Dollars.

And what does The West do? Double and Triple down on 'donations' to the most corrupt Sovereign State on Earth.

"I don't need a plane ride. I'm only worth $900 Million Dollars. I need MOAR ... and I won't quit 'til I'm at least a billionaire too."

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
So you think russia capturing a missile designed 20 years ago, that's at least 25 years older then the best western systems, is somehow significant enough to create yet another daily disposable russian propaganda thread?


In what way?

I don’t think I could ever come up with a more perfect example of political trolling than the above quoted post.

It’s almost a work of art, it has just a little bit of everything. Misdirection, ad hominem, gaslighting, bait & switch. Notice how this user quotes the post of another user then completely ignores its content and instead directs a question that is factually irrelevant and completely farcical, falsely attributing an opinion to a response that was never even given by the user he quotes.

It’s a textbook example on how to manipulate and derail a politically driven discussion on the internet.

a reply to: Snarl

Well. This is interesting if the figures are close to being accurate..

Russian Tech Industry Faces ‘Brain Drain’ as Workers Flee
Since their country invaded Ukraine, Russian tech workers have left by the thousands. They appear intent on rebuilding their lives and businesses in other countries.

www.nytimes.com...

By March 22, a Russian tech industry trade group estimated that between 50,000 and 70,000 tech workers had left the country and that an additional 70,000 to 100,000 would soon follow. They are part of a much larger exodus of workers from Russia, but their departure could have an even more lasting impact on the country’s economy.

Wonder how many British tech workers are moving to Russia?

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Now how about you use your accusations and apply it specifically to what he said. Point out specifically what he said that violates your list.