Supreme Court Draft Decision Would Strike Down Roe v. Wade

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: carewemust

There hasnt been a legal judgement.

So, no.

What it does do is throws gas on burning embers.

Roe vs Wade was a legal judgement, wasn't it?

Births are down,also declined during pandemic,more will die because of it, more abortions because of pandemic.

Will some men really become sterile?

Will women have miscarriages?

Did some justices listen to experts instead of politicians?

Children who have had drugs to change gender are having horrible side affects.

WE are living in hell.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: carewemust

There hasnt been a legal judgement.

So, no.

What it does do is throws gas on burning embers.

Roe vs Wade was a legal judgement, wasn't it?

No.

Roe vs Wade is a legal judgement. Currently. Still.

a reply to: JBurns

As it pertains to the leak, it's a HUGE loss to the integrity of our institutions.

There was already a distrustful vibe going on for the SCOTUS, so this isn't going to help at all.

But, as another member responded above, this makes for the perfect justification to pack the court by spinning the narrative that those currently seated are __________ (fill in the blank), and that MORE heads would be a better balance.

This is going to go sideways real fast.

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: marg6043
Well I am pro abortion thankfully it was available when in case I was in need of it and I am glad my daughter have that right also.

Now women will have to go to blue states if they need them.

This not about killing fetuses, is about the women rights to their own bodies. But hey call it whatever you want.

Well I am pro abortion thankfully it was available when in case I was in need of it and I am glad my daughter have that right also.

Pretty cavalier of you. You make the availability of abortion sound like its an extra flashlight in your glove box.

Now women will have to go to blue states if they need them.

Hey... different states have different laws concerning guns, why should this be any different?
Killing is killing, no?

This not about killing fetuses, is about the women rights to their own bodies. But hey call it whatever you want.

You're right. It's about women's right to kill their own fetuses. But hey call it whatever you want.

Why can't this be discussed without attacks on someone because she's pro choice?

Not to negate the rest of your response but honestly...is that really the type of person you want to represent, the kind of person who thinks killing your own child is a choice?

ETA: How can you have this position and at the same time have a "live and let live" philosophy?

Does that only apply to those that are already here? No babies, huh?

Because I fully believe that in the earliest days an embryo is simply a clump of developing cells. I'd like to see abortion available for only a very limited period of time, with emergency access only after that. Live and let live I applied to the currently here. I get the irony, not the best words I used. How about "each to their own"? If you can't live with having an abortion, don't have one. Like vaccines.

I also get my perspective from being a farmer. Life dies. Sometimes mother ducks simply walk away from a clutch of eggs that are soon to hatch. Or my rabbits have babies on the wire floor instead of in their nests they worked hard on. They die of hypothermia if I don't find them in time. They're instincts tell them now is not the time, just like a human female may not be in the best of situation. We cannot know another's mind. If our souls are eternal or there is reincarnation, the soul will just surface elsewhere. The whole planet is alive, squeezing out life everywhere. So maybe farming has made me cold hearted but I see it as a reality that existed long before the modern world.

When does it become a baby? For some, conception or the moment they find they are pregnant. For others, the heartbeat. I don't know, I'm not a biologist!

a reply to: carewemust

Oh yeah, almost certainly no way to walk it back after dozens of pages explaining the reasoning behind it. I am sure they could do what they want (they always do!) but it would look pretty bad

I too am pro-life, but I don't like how far some states/lawmakers are taking it. One actually said "why should a baby conceived in a rape be punished" and of course it is not about punishing anyone it is to prevent someone from having to be victimized twice first by the perp then the state

a reply to: loam

Me too my friend. I definitely think its the right thing to do, like the Miranda decision Roe was always flawed, I think they even made it clear when they first handed it down many moons ago if I remember correctly!

Keeping ATS and my favorite news sources up! It seems like things could take off in a hurry

Will this be the trigger instead of the Queen's death? Affirmation of life vice the death of an evil old lady?

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: marg6043
Well I am pro abortion thankfully it was available when in case I was in need of it and I am glad my daughter have that right also.

Now women will have to go to blue states if they need them.

This not about killing fetuses, is about the women rights to their own bodies. But hey call it whatever you want.

Well I am pro abortion thankfully it was available when in case I was in need of it and I am glad my daughter have that right also.

Pretty cavalier of you. You make the availability of abortion sound like its an extra flashlight in your glove box.

Now women will have to go to blue states if they need them.

Hey... different states have different laws concerning guns, why should this be any different?
Killing is killing, no?

This not about killing fetuses, is about the women rights to their own bodies. But hey call it whatever you want.

You're right. It's about women's right to kill their own fetuses. But hey call it whatever you want.

Why can't this be discussed without attacks on someone because she's pro choice?

Not to negate the rest of your response but honestly...is that really the type of person you want to represent, the kind of person who thinks killing your own child is a choice?

ETA: How can you have this position and at the same time have a "live and let live" philosophy?

Does that only apply to those that are already here? No babies, huh?

How about "each to their own"? If you can't live with having an abortion, don't have one. Like vaccines.

Mmm, no.... "each to their own" STILL doesn't cover the child and we're not (censored) farm animals FFS.

We did not really have much of a problem with people picking sides on this when there was about a three month window for women having abortions. But then the left started pushing to get that limit up to birth and without the husband's consent. I know this husband's consent or knowledge not needed, because this is what they told my granddaughter when she was pregnant with the second kid...that push for an abortion came from the women's center, glad she was appauled by their actions since I have a really nice great grandson now.

It wasn't acceptable to just have the abortion within fifteen weeks, they had to start pushing it to include a lot longer. I think that was an abuse of Roe vs Wade done by the liberals...yes, the law should be destroyed because it was abused so much. It seems like the pendelum swings both ways to extremes in this society, people are not satisfied with a moderate change, they keep pushing to get more and more and everything reverses and goes the opposite.

We need to limit this abusing of things in this country, it is strewn through our society and the medical industry is also abusing this to profit from it. Money backs instigators to create change so people or groups can profit. I have no problem with the limited use of abortion up to a certain point, like it was...but I will take a stance against abortion up till birth and will definitely vote against it. It will take a complete reversal of abortion to teach the left to be reasonable I guess.

This is like listening to some people on TV saying today that groups going in and robbing stores does not actually cause harm to anyone, stores are hiring private police to stop these criminals. These groups are traumatizing people, they are causing costs to rise at the stores and causing stores to close because they can't deal with it...this puts people out of work. It is the people who have kids that could wind up doing this kind of stuff that don't want the cops to bust them...lots of people who have money have troublesome kids, they were too busy doing their thing to raise their kids to be honest people. There are a lot of people in local government that have these kind of problem kids or their friends have problem kids. I guess teaching right from wrong should be taught in school now...oh wait, teachers are not allowed to discuss this...so nobody is trying to keep the kids honest anymore, except maybe some churches if they go to them.

It seems that the kids of government workers, including the cops, are more apt to get into trouble in this country. The problem is to keep their kids from being punished, the people working in government need to change the laws for everyone, and over the years even the kids of everyone know they won't get jack for breaking the law. You do not think they legalized pot to protect the regular people...It was to protect all the kids of the elite from not getting scholarships..

Rumors have Sotomayor involved in the leak. Supposedly a clerk did it.

originally posted by: EternalShadow
a reply to: JBurns

As it pertains to the leak, it's a HUGE loss to the integrity of our institutions.

Keeping in mind that I'm pro-choice on the matter here...how does it do this? As I understand the legal process that would unfold, this makes it a firm right of the States of this country to decide individually.

I have no problem with this in that context instead of Federal, autonomy IS still considered ideal, is it not?

People need to consider something fundementally important here -- we are either free to choose our legislation state-by-state, or we have no need for this structure in the first place & should just abolish that RR concept & fall under one big Federal Government Big Brother oversight.

Choose wisely.


Second Edit: The thought occurs to me that you mean the Loose Lips themselves, not the content of the leak or legal angle. My bad if so, again, tired.

originally posted by: pteridine
Rumors have Sotomayor involved in the leak. Supposedly a clerk did it.

Another believable assertion.

Not surprising either.

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: marg6043
Well I am pro abortion thankfully it was available when in case I was in need of it and I am glad my daughter have that right also.

Now women will have to go to blue states if they need them.

This not about killing fetuses, is about the women rights to their own bodies. But hey call it whatever you want.

Well I am pro abortion thankfully it was available when in case I was in need of it and I am glad my daughter have that right also.

Pretty cavalier of you. You make the availability of abortion sound like its an extra flashlight in your glove box.

Now women will have to go to blue states if they need them.

Hey... different states have different laws concerning guns, why should this be any different?
Killing is killing, no?

This not about killing fetuses, is about the women rights to their own bodies. But hey call it whatever you want.

You're right. It's about women's right to kill their own fetuses. But hey call it whatever you want.

Why can't this be discussed without attacks on someone because she's pro choice?

Not to negate the rest of your response but honestly...is that really the type of person you want to represent, the kind of person who thinks killing your own child is a choice?

ETA: How can you have this position and at the same time have a "live and let live" philosophy?

Does that only apply to those that are already here? No babies, huh?

How about "each to their own"? If you can't live with having an abortion, don't have one. Like vaccines.

Mmm, no.... "each to their own" STILL doesn't cover the child and we're not (censored) farm animals FFS.

Are you sure about that?

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: carewemust

There hasnt been a legal judgement.

So, no.

What it does do is throws gas on burning embers.

Roe vs Wade was a legal judgement, wasn't it?

No.

Roe vs Wade is a legal judgement. Currently. Still.

OK then. Scrap the legalese..

IMO, more U.S. citizens want Abortion to be ILLEGAL than want it to be LEGAL.

Still not sure if this is legitimate but if it turns out to be real, look out for more decisions being overturned. It's this phrase that's going to change history:


"The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision"

If SCOTUS is going to start limiting implicit constitutional protections, then a whole lot of cases are going to be over-turned. Birth control, inter-racial marriage, free speech cases, cases involving free assembly even cases like no-compete agreements.

a reply to: carewemust

Let the states sort it out.

a reply to: JBurns

I'm a fanatic for keeping things as simple as possible. I say if God created the life, and owns the life, (which he does), we have no right to kill him/her. Not at this innocent stage of the little person's life.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: carewemust

Let the states sort it out.

That's what Texas tried to do, and pro-abortionists from every state in the Union blew a gasket over it.

a reply to: Nyiah

Well said on the overall sentiment.

As to your question on the integrity:
The statement was leaked. I dont believe its clear if there was a vote but there still isnt a decision on the law. Another month or two yet.

In that time, judges may or may not change positions, not on law, but on public sentiment or plain ol fear.

That someone in such high levels of the judicial had the audacity to leak the document is pretty worriesome.