Supreme Court Draft Decision Would Strike Down Roe v. Wade

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Two posts ago you posted that; in the post I just replied to, you did not. I already addressed it: that is one procedure. There are others. Some do include ripping the baby to pieces while it is alive.

How about you keep looking and find out what kind of "medicine" is used in this procedure to kill the child? Id it a poison? A corrosive? Based on that clip, I don't know if they are injecting saline and pickling it alive or injecting hydrochloric acid and burning it to death.

Do the abortionists administer any pain medication in that lethal dose? Even a serial killer on Death Row gets a cocktail including a numbing agent so the lethal injection does not turn into torture. I wonder if they give the same benefit to a child whose capital offense is being alive?

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Turns out, your assertion isn't hard to refute, though, so I'll let you off the hook for answering questions. it took maybe 2 minutes to find the South Dakota Department of Heath website, which has a whole page on abortion methods. Let's see what they have to say:

Third Trimester Abortion Methods (26 - 40 weeks of pregnancy)

Abdominal Hysterotomy
See above

Intact Dilation and Extraction (Partial Birth Abortion)
In this procedure, the physician pulls the fetus feet-first out of the uterus into the birth canal, except for the head which is kept lodged just inside the uterus.

The base of the fetus's skull is punctured with a sharp instrument such as a long scissors or pointed metal tube.

A catheter is inserted into the wound and removes the fetus's brain with a powerful suction machine. This causes the skull to collapse, and allows for the expulsion of the fetus.

Possible Complications

• Risks are similar to childbirth
  
• Uterine infection
  
• Blood clots to heart, lungs and brain
  
• Heavy bleeding
  
• High blood pressure
  
• Reaction to anesthesia
  
• Infertility

Strange, that's all there are listed. Nothing about deadly chemicals being injected. Hmmm... stranger and stranger... oh! But look a little higher up the page to abortion methods available earlier in the pregnancy and there it is! First trimester abortions may be performed up to 7 weeks after the first day of the last menstrual cycle. Either methotrexate or mifepristone is used to relax the area and misoprostol is used to cause spontaneous abortion.

Neither kills the child. Misoprostol creates induced labor... it is also used to prevent ulcers resulting from NSAID use. Of course, during the first trimester there is little concern about the baby surviving the procedure and causing any more problems. How it dies seems to be secondary to making sure it does indeed die.

It seems you have tried to mix up two abortion methods... one from the first trimester that uses medication to abort, and one from the third trimester that does not... this one uses a long needle and syringe to suck the child's brain out so the skull can collapse. Otherwise, the head will not fit through the birth canal until the woman is in actual labor.

It's strange to me that you, a woman by your own previous assertions and a staunch advocate of abortion in any and all circumstances, know so damn little about what actually happens during an abortion. I, an older man who you have in the past decreed has no business even having an opinion on the subject, am more informed than you are, despite me not even wanting to be informed on the subject. It's little wonder you don't want me having an opinion; you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about (as usual) and thus cannot counter my arguments with anything short of fantasy.

We are not discussing fantasy today, Sookie. We are discussing reality. The children being killed in wholesale fashion are not characters on TV. They are real, living, soon-to-be-breathing, human beings being murdered.

And you are apparently good with that.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Dude, you're all over the place. Abortions cause the death of a fetus. Period. Abortion isn't pretty, abortion isn't fun.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Then why do you advocate for it every single time, with no restrictions whatsoever?

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Why do you lie, project and judge people for the words you put in their mouths that they never said and ideas they never advocated for?

I support Roe.

Massive upheaval happening. SCOTUS Justices being threatened intensely 🥶

originally posted by: JinMI
Breaking.

Alito’s draft is labeled as a proposed majority opinion, though the wording of the court’s ultimate ruling and the line-up of justices who support it could change before final release, expected by late June or early July.

Source

Will add more soon

ETA

Daily Beast Source

Justice Alitos draft can be found in both sources. Some claiming it was a leak.

ETA: If what im reading is correct, a leak from the SCOTUS has never been done and this isnt due for a few months yet?

More games? Riots?

May 8, 2022

The Democrat leaker at the Supreme Court who attempted to emulate leakers Vindman-Ciaramella, has FAILED in his/her attempt to shake the resolve of the court re Roe V Wade.

Source: www.foxnews.com...

It is imperative that the individual be publicly identified and criminally punished with jail time.

originally posted by: CloneFarm1000
Birth control, condoms and sex ed are available in this country. Why aren't people using them to their greatest potential?

They dont because the very same people who consider the right to abortion evil, consider those same preventative measure to pregnancy just as evil. Some even go so far as to say denying the fertilized egg is killing a life... which is as silly as saying a shed skin cell is life.

Me personally, given the brain doesnt even develop in a fetus until around the 3-5th week and by the 9th its only just starting to function as one then anything before that time period is simply building material... now if your getting an abortion at the very end of term, then yeah thats wrong (and said person should have been far more onto it from the get go if they are that certain they didnt want the child)... or have the kid, feel it out after birth and if still for it go for adoption (lots of people who cant have kids who'd want one will adopt).

BUT, the women should have the right to make a decision about it without confusion or fear of legal issues coming into it. As for those saying this wont make it illegal, yes, yes it will... not everywhere but you can be damn sure some states in particular will jump right in with both feet on making it so (and yes that will create 'back alley abortion' in those states).

But yeah, up the responsibility on preventative protection from both the female and male angle, remove the stigmas over it etc... thing is, the states who'll jump both feet into the 0 abortion options are the same ones that are backwards in terms of attitudes on birth control.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: SirHardHarry

You know the funny part? They constantly post about BLM, wait until there's a lot more of the 'B' part in twenty years.

Probably the plan, at the rate we're going: Repeal the civil rights act and the 13th and 19th Amendments, and ramp up that domestic infant supply on multiple fronts.

U.S. Senate votes to "Codify" Pro Choice. . . .

It failed (49-51) 🦇

a reply to: xuenchen

Yeah, saw that. Pretty amusing actually. If the leaked Alito opinion becomes the official decision, it would also strike down any Federal legislation on abortion. The entire leaked opinion is based on explaining that there is no enumerated or implied right to abortion in the US Constitution, and that means the 10th Amendment applies and the issue is reserved exclusively to the states or the people.

Those who opposed this bill actually did those who supported it a favor. Had it passed, the Supreme Court would have had to strike down two abortion packages, not just one. With all the ire in the country right now over a leaked, unofficial opinion that may or may not contribute to the decision (although it appears now it will), can you imagine the turmoil if two similar, actual decisions are rendered back to back?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: SirHardHarry
Probably the plan, at the rate we're going: Repeal the civil rights act and the 13th and 19th Amendments, and ramp up that domestic infant supply on multiple fronts.

I'm all for the ownership of people being decided at the state level.

I think men who want to force a woman to carry to term should also be forced to get a vasectomy, thereby negating the need for an abortion.

If this goes through, men should start paying for the fetus as soon as the pregnancy is called by a doctor. All states should require men to pay 67% of their income to child support and be imprisoned if they get up to 6 months in arrears without setting up an arrangement.

If a man hurts a pregnant woman (the leading cause of death of pregnant woman is homicide), he should receive at least 18 years of imprisonment. If he murders a pregnant woman, he should receive life and possibly, death.

Any of these offenses should put men in a national database, so women can research these guys before having any thing to do with them. Just like a convicted sex offender.

a reply to: Kristinabee

I think men who want to force a woman to carry to term should also be forced to get a vasectomy, thereby negating the need for an abortion.

So anyone who wants to have a child should be denied to have a child? Oh, that'll work out well. Why not just outlaw having children? It would be easier to enforce.

"The defendant is charged with refusing to have a vasectomy before having children. How do you plead?"
"Guilty, your honor."
"You will undergo a forced vasectomy, and your child, who is now 6 months old, will be aborted. So ordered. Next case."

If this goes through, men should start paying for the fetus as soon as the pregnancy is called by a doctor.

Real men do.

All states should require men to pay 67% of their income to child support and be imprisoned if they get up to 6 months in arrears without setting up an arrangement.

Already a law. Well, except for the 6 months arrears thing. I've known men imprisoned after only three.

If a man hurts a pregnant woman (the leading cause of death of pregnant woman is homicide), he should receive at least 18 years of imprisonment.

Yeah, that's called "Assault and Battery." If the child dies, it's murder. Already quite illegal.

If he murders a pregnant woman, he should receive life and possibly, death.

That one is called "Murder." Already quite illegal.

Any of these offenses should put men in a national database, so women can research these guys before having any thing to do with them.

It already exists. It's called a "Criminal Database."

So, you think nothing should change except outlawing children, eh?

TheRedneck

sigh

i bring back the concept of "deny ignorance" .. the goal of this site

when it comes to overturning Roe v wade all that it does is this


THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL POWER FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT (unless a new amendment is passed) TO GRANT RIGHT OF UNRESTRICTED ABORTION ON DEMAND .

all it says is that the 10 AMENDMENT APPLIES.


"any power not directly granted to the federal government is the rights of the states"

so if (again BIG IF) as all you here, on the main street press and "protestors" claim abortion on demand is SUPPORTED BY THE MAJORITY you have to get YOUR STATE TO PASS THE LAW.

but as i again point out they KNOW the majority DOES NOT SUPPORT ABORTION ON DEMAND/NO RESTRICTIONS.

but back to what is "deny ignorance"

the ruling DOES NOT MAKE ABORTION ILLEGAL...


end of truth

scrounger

May 18, 2022

I'm glad Satan-controlled Michigan judges like this were rare in the early 1960's, or I might not be here.

A Michigan judge with reported ties to pro-abortion efforts has suspended the state's dormant, decades-old ban on abortion, which means the procedure would not be illegal in the state even if the Supreme Court overturns its 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that gives women the constitution right to an abortion.

Court of Claims Chief Judge Elizabeth Gleicher has previously admitted to supporting abortion rights and has donates annually to Planned Parenthood, according to the Daily Wire.

Source: justthenews.com...

originally posted by: xuenchen
Rumors fueling up that the "Leaker" is a law clerk for Breyer !!

Elizabeth Deutsch 🚬 hmmmm

9.5.2022

The LEAKER was likely one of the Justices, because: www.washingtontimes.com...

The Supreme Court may have internal ties to the low-integrity DOJ-FBI. Most likely that "connection" would be Chief Justice Roberts.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: xuenchen
Rumors fueling up that the "Leaker" is a law clerk for Breyer !!

Elizabeth Deutsch 🚬 hmmmm

9.5.2022

The LEAKER was likely one of the Justices, because: www.washingtontimes.com...

The Supreme Court may have internal ties to the low-integrity DOJ-FBI. Most likely that "connection" would be Chief Justice Roberts.

Could have been Stephen Breyer, he was retiring anyway and had little to nothing to lose, and of course, He's listed as a Democrat 🐳

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: xuenchen
Rumors fueling up that the "Leaker" is a law clerk for Breyer !!

Elizabeth Deutsch 🚬 hmmmm

9.5.2022

The LEAKER was likely one of the Justices, because: www.washingtontimes.com...

The Supreme Court may have internal ties to the low-integrity DOJ-FBI. Most likely that "connection" would be Chief Justice Roberts.

Justice Roberts has already been compromised, as we witnessed with the "Healthcare is a tax" ruling.

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: xuenchen
Rumors fueling up that the "Leaker" is a law clerk for Breyer !!

Elizabeth Deutsch 🚬 hmmmm

9.5.2022

The LEAKER was likely one of the Justices, because: www.washingtontimes.com...

The Supreme Court may have internal ties to the low-integrity DOJ-FBI. Most likely that "connection" would be Chief Justice Roberts.

Justice Roberts has already been compromised, as we witnessed with the "Healthcare is a tax" ruling.

9.9.2022

Justice Gorsuch says a "report" on the leak will be coming soon from the Supreme Court.

www.foxnews.com...