Pfizer: Huge risks for those who are vaccinated.

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: chr0naut

37 different vaccines with completely different chemicals make-ups are in that total.
The original formula in some of the mRNA versions are not the same from the original to today.

So you should follow the several billion flies and eat.... After all they are ok and no side effects.

Also remember billions of people have taken a breath over the last few years and not caught the Infection. Seems like breathing is a good vaccine.

All those different vaccines and still no aggregate sign of infertility from them.

Also, that last sentence is probably the silliest bit of illogic that I have seen for some time.

originally posted by: gandalph
How long do you propose to wait before documenting all the adverse effects, including all-cause mortality?

There is a reason why medication and vaccines takes YEARS before being approved.

Then state the reason explicitly, with examples.

The reason it took years before was that used to be the turnover time for data collection, compilation, and analysis. We have computers and advanced diagnostics now. We can do that stuff ten times over, in minutes.

And, we are documenting adverse effects, all the time, in real-time.

So far, there is no significant sign of adverse effects affecting large numbers of the vaccinated human population.

This EUA is the exception, not the rule.

There are several EUA's for all sorts of things. Here's a list:

Emergency Use Authorization--Archived Information - FDA

So, the EUA for COVID-19 vaccines is not an exception.

originally posted by: rickymouse
I researched the parameters and structure of the research they used to judge the safety and effectiveness of many drugs and some vaccines. The results are mostly not real world related. In vaccines they have no way of actually evaluating the efficy of it.....and for safety, a side effect needs to be proven to come from a direct cause of the vaccine...which is almost impossible to prove it. Remember, environmental factors, including diet, do have some effect on the results of the tests as do age and health. These testing procedures are far from perfect. Many meds are silently pulled out of use because of side effects that show up even years later. Sometimes side effects cause things to happen resulting in deficiencies of metabolic necessities or properly overating immune response over a year and up to three years after the medication is started. A vaccine given as often as this one is with all the boosters could have serious long term effects. A flu vaccine given once a year does not seem to be a problem nearly as much of this happening.

This became obvious to anyone who read Pfizer's report to the FDA to get the EUA. The trial methods are completely unscientific. Junk science = junk results.

Does that mean the vaccines can't prevent any infections? No. Does it mean they cause horrific complications in everyone who gets them? No.

But it does mean neither its efficacy nor its safety profile are known with anything even approaching accuracy.

The fact that they are allowed to misrepresent their results as scientific fact is just absurd.

originally posted by: Village Idiot

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Sander1976

11.2 billion doses administered worldwide, some of which were more than 1 year ago, and people are still calling it "experimental".

Luddites.

Considering it takes an average 10 years for a vaccine to reach approval status, from which only 2 out of every 100 pass the grade....... yes, you're still a human lab rat.

precisely this, except none of these vaccines have had a passing grade.

originally posted by: gandalph

originally posted by: chr0naut

No, these people are really suffering health problems. Common health problems - problems that existed and occurred in the population before the vaccines were created.

It’s like saying people who were drinking contaminated water due to hexavalent chromium runoff from P&G plant and developed cancers or other health complications and died prematurely are just the same as all other people before and around them.

No, that is a very different and very specific instance of cause and effect. There is no 'wiggle room' to avoid the clear link to cause of illness in that case.

And, I mean, someone suffering an adverse reaction from a vaccination probably wouldn't have it months after the jab. They'd have it while the vaccine was at the maximum level in their system, wouldn't they?

There are several assumptions you make here which so not agree with rigorous science as you put it. First, the majority of periomyocarditis cases develop in the first two weeks post vaccination m.

That is when the the usual immune response is at its maximum after vaccination. It makes sense that inflammation (an immune response) would occur when immune response peaks.

Second, nobody know what and when the vaccine maximum levels are.

They don't? Get real.

Third, every medical intervention (drugs, vaccines) require years of follow up to ascertain full effects, whether real or coincidental.

Yes, some carcinogens take time to initiate detectable cancer. But most drugs and chemicals act fairy fast. And the individual components of the vaccines already have long known safety, which was why they were chosen.

Also, because of the small number of components of mRNA vaccines, adverse reactions would be few, and of very specific types.

Wow you must know more than the vaccine manufacturers themselves! Do you believe in fairy tales or just write them for others? Pfizer itself logged a huge number of varying AEs during clinical trials, over 1200.

Some of those 1,200 AE's included other pathogens and medical procedures. They were listed for completeness of showing the things they were monitoring, and were not of observed AE's, but of potential AE's in situations that could be monitored for. You could hardly describe getting an X-Ray as an adverse reaction to a vaccine. Yet it is listed.

Also, people who die of a completely different pathogen, are unlikely to be from the vaccine (or from COVID-19). There were a few cases on that site, where that happened.

This is why all-cause mortality is a metric in any pharmaceutical product that hits the market. Except in this one.

Umm, mortality is not likely to to be from a drug that is not in use. All cause mortality is being monitored for the vaccines - right now, in real-time.

You see, medical science is very physical and rigorous. When people have a condition, it has definitive metabolic pathways that explain and describe why things are as they are.

I can’t help but wonder, are you a children’s book author?

I am a working IT professional, with an academic background unrelated to my current role.

Because what you write is make belief like Santa and the Easter bunny. Medical science answers a lot, but there is a lot that it cannot answer yet. Any medical doctor will tell you there are diseases and illnesses that people experience which they don’t understand.

But qualified medical personnel do understand most. Specialists and career life scientists, more so than average.

That is why they must study and know masses of information based upon case histories and significant scientific information.

Most of these people have had the jab months before they began to suffer from what were already common illnesses before there were vaccines, and there are illnesses easily attributable to other causes, that could not be from the vaccines.

Some have been common, some have been rare, the issue is not that these are new diseases, the issue is that people without health conditions suddenly started developing all these issues. Coincidence? Some could be, but you can’t dismiss all. Not even big pharma dismisses such reactions, as normally they are logged under adverse events.

But some of them, no doubt, also have had real adverse reactions to the vaccines, but the site attributes nearly everything to the vaccine, and has minimal actual medical details that identify if it was the vaccine, or some other cause.

That’s why instead of opining, you should examine the data that is logged in vaers.

Also, the linked site is not actually a forum of sufferers of disease, where one may post, it is an aggregation site that pulls in content from other sites, primarily from Facebook. It is an anonymously set up Wordpress site running off a DNS registrant called Epik.com.

Again, please explain away all the vaers data which shows more AE for this vaccine than all other vaccines combined for the last 40 years.

According to OpenVARES, there have been a total of 1,237,645 reports relating to COVID-19. According to Johns Hopkins Coronavirus dashboard, there have been 571,630,544 doses of COVID-19 vaccine administered in the US.

That means that all VARES data (even minor or 'expired dose' data) represents only 0.2% of doses administered in the US.

And, if we look at the all cause mortality number from VARES relating to COVID-19 vaccines, we get 27,349 deaths, which represents 0.00478 % the doses administered in the US.

So, I have noted the data logged in VAERS, and mentioned some actuals.

Your turn.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Village Idiot

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Sander1976

11.2 billion doses administered worldwide, some of which were more than 1 year ago, and people are still calling it "experimental".

Luddites.

Considering it takes an average 10 years for a vaccine to reach approval status, from which only 2 out of every 100 pass the grade....... yes, you're still a human lab rat.

How many people died in the first year of the pandemic?

Less than the second year of the pandemic when all these billions of doses of the vaccine were given out "protecting" people from death.

Epidemics and pandemics grow according to compounding of the increase of numbers. So, nothing unexpected happening there.

And yet, despite the thousandfold increase in infections, deaths overall decreased, and despite what you posted, the number of deaths have steadily reduced since the peak in January 2021, prior to the vaccines being released. Do you have a better explanation for that, other than the vaccines? Whatever your explanation, it must be something that hundreds of millions of people have done, to match its effects.

Also these overall numbers are hugely inflated by using the DIED WITH instead of DIED FROM counting methods. Obviously used to drive numbers and fear up. The died from is 6% of the big scary number.

That percentage that died only from COVID-19 only applies in America. Yet COVID-19 death figures from nearly every country in the world are about the same. Even for countries where there is no suggestion of questionable data.

Besides, the CDC changed reporting details for death certificates in 2020, specifically because people were claiming that it was unclear if COVID-19 was a primary cause of death. So the majority of deaths registered as having COVID-19, were actually deaths from COVID-19, not with.

Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease - CDC

Deaths would decrease with or without a vaccine. Virology 101. Viruses get weaker as they mutate because killing the host is suicidal. Try again.

a reply to: chr0naut

As silly as saying "I got a jab to protect myself from an infection I need a test to know I have".

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: chr0naut

As silly as saying "I got a jab to protect myself from an infection I need a test to know I have".

There are some symptoms unique to COVID-19, but many of its symptoms are similar to other diseases. And some people are asymptomatic, while yet others die.

Some people must be perpetually puzzled, eh?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: incoserv

I call bull crap, they ether knew, or choose not to accept the facts or find out for themselves.

Yeah, me too!

I call bull crap, y'all ether know, or choose not to accept the facts or find out for yourselves.

From my research: at the beginning of Omicron the probability of an adverse Cardiac event was about 0.16% greater with the vaccine than with the actual disease.

BTW: I'm unvaxxd as per my PCP. I've been on Ivermectin for 13 months now, She has concerns about my heart. it seems that even rather mild myocarditis could actually kill me, so NO vaccine.

My other half is vaxxd, and has had covid, our kid is also vaxxd and has had covid, my best friend, and virtually everyone else I know has had covid; yet I remain disease free.

Last month my PCP renewed my prescription for Ivermectin; for the next 5 months. She wants to see covid stay down a while longer.

originally posted by: macaronicaesar

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Village Idiot

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Sander1976

11.2 billion doses administered worldwide, some of which were more than 1 year ago, and people are still calling it "experimental".

Luddites.

Considering it takes an average 10 years for a vaccine to reach approval status, from which only 2 out of every 100 pass the grade....... yes, you're still a human lab rat.

How many people died in the first year of the pandemic?

Less than the second year of the pandemic when all these billions of doses of the vaccine were given out "protecting" people from death.

Epidemics and pandemics grow according to compounding of the increase of numbers. So, nothing unexpected happening there.

And yet, despite the thousandfold increase in infections, deaths overall decreased, and despite what you posted, the number of deaths have steadily reduced since the peak in January 2021, prior to the vaccines being released. Do you have a better explanation for that, other than the vaccines? Whatever your explanation, it must be something that hundreds of millions of people have done, to match its effects.

Also these overall numbers are hugely inflated by using the DIED WITH instead of DIED FROM counting methods. Obviously used to drive numbers and fear up. The died from is 6% of the big scary number.

That percentage that died only from COVID-19 only applies in America. Yet COVID-19 death figures from nearly every country in the world are about the same. Even for countries where there is no suggestion of questionable data.

Besides, the CDC changed reporting details for death certificates in 2020, specifically because people were claiming that it was unclear if COVID-19 was a primary cause of death. So the majority of deaths registered as having COVID-19, were actually deaths from COVID-19, not with.

Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease - CDC

Deaths would decrease with or without a vaccine. Virology 101. Viruses get weaker as they mutate because killing the host is suicidal. Try again.

Oh, like flu doesn't exist anymore, after a season or two, or how polio would have just disappeared without any vaccinations? Or HIV, which no longer exists?...

Nah, it doesn't always go to plan.

Reality 101.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Sander1976

It's all about the money.

Very true but also the case long before COVID 19 or mRNA vaccines materialised.

Exactly. What they've been doing and getting away with with vaccines for decades is simply more obvious with Covid.

a reply to: Sander1976

None in my family are vaxed and we're missing out on all the side effects and lowered resistance to all forms and colds and viruses and repeat Covid infections. Kinda feel left out.

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: chr0naut

As silly as saying "I got a jab to protect myself from an infection I need a test to know I have".

Exactly, and a test that cannot detect infection. Total scamdemic!

originally posted by: Dutchowl
a reply to: Sander1976

None in my family are vaxed and we're missing out on all the side effects and lowered resistance to all forms and colds and viruses and repeat Covid infections. Kinda feel left out.

Honestly I'd feel embarassed to show my face in public ever again if I was shilling for some vaccine and then ended up getting the virus I was "vaccinated" against. Even worse so if I got adverse effects from it.

It would be absolutely humiliating. But I can see a lot of people trying to double and tripple down to save face.

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Sander1976

It's all about the money.

Very true but also the case long before COVID 19 or mRNA vaccines materialised.

Oh, this goes much, much deeper than "the money." Anybody who thinks that it's just about "the money" is either incredibly naive or totally uninformed.

Since the beginning this has clearly - to anyone with eyes willing to see - been about control.

And that's enough to say on the subject. If you can see it, you don't need anything more; and if you can't by now, you're beyond hope.

That in of itself -- CONTROL -- was an experiment with the global shutdown
Covid was the tool being used

And how long the citizens would put up with it, how many acted out against it

How the MSM played their part in the control
The fear mongering propaganda that was nonstop for over a year




But as you stated, for those that see it, nothing more needs to be said
For those that have not by now, they never will






And the long term side effects of the numerous booster shots (what number are we on anyway #5, #9 ???) are not as worrisome to the 55+ and older age groups (we are going to have health issues and die regardless due to our age)

But rather the young adults in their 20's and kids, where it will not show up for another 10-15 years from now

Only time will tell, and it appears now that the hype and fear mongering has calmed down , the truth of the matter may eventually come out. As more and more people/companies speak out.


Funny how we went from covid fear mongering to war in Ukraine in 6.2 seconds



*Oh look, squirrel*

a reply to: snarky412

You are spot on mate! I am very surprised that now some info from the Pfizer files
have been released with all kinds of side effects, then more recently they themselves
admitting that possibly cannot get the jab approved beyond EUA & much more...
AND NO ONE IS BLOODY TALKING ABOUT IT!!! That is a huge problem & thanks to
our regular few who bring the info forward we are trying to stay up to date.
However it doesn't seem like the jabbed are concerned & is a bit surprising to me.

Hope that made sense, extremely exhausted & going to bed.

Cheers
Ektar

Your reply makes perfect sense, it is worrying to say the least.

a reply to: Ektar

a reply to: Ektar

Those who are talking about, and many are, become censored and threatened with loss of license and such.

This has left most of the medical profession with blood on their hands.

a reply to: snarky412

With the same consequence for us after the distraction

a reply to: Sander1976

5/30/2022

There was a pharmaceutical executive recently arrested for using a FAKE vaccine ID card.

A thread exists on the subject, but I can't find it now.

Very strange!