Hospital admissions among the jabbed shoot up like a rocket.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: carewemust

Thought not.

No one over here "dropping like flies".

It would indeed be "tragic" if it was true, but it isn't.

The rightwingers are totally Q cult follower and just echo back what they hear from the Q websites. imo, they want the jabbed people to die! Qanon confirmation bias.

news.yahoo.com...

They almost seem to be disappointed when we don't

a reply to: Xtrozero

Only 79% have had at least one dose, 74% have had 2 doses, and 59% have been boostered.

The last report from the UK (end of March) showed the unvaxxed made up ~18% of cases, ~20% of hospitalizations, and ~7.5% of deaths. That reflects negative efficacy against the current variants.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

Only 79% have had at least one dose, 74% have had 2 doses, and 59% have been boostered.

The last report from the UK (end of March) showed the unvaxxed made up ~18% of cases, ~20% of hospitalizations, and ~7.5% of deaths. That reflects negative efficacy against the current variants.

I'm not sure where you got your data, but this is from the official Gov site and is current as of 21 Apr.



It is being reported that vaccine or booster over 15 weeks lose their efficacy a good deal, so ya not sure your point when it is still better than being unvacced. The really is this is not good for those past the age of 65 and/or unhealthy, they will need to keep their boosters up. It is also reported that Omicron does not give protection from other variants, so it is not over writing other variants that can typically be the case. This means it is like its own virus and only helps you with other Omicron variants.

As I said earlier the unvacced in the UK is mostly the young and healthy who do not get much of anything from COVID, so that 20% of unvacced hospitalization is from a very small percentage of the older/unhealthy not vacced yet, so it could be less than 1% of the population making up 20% of the hospital cases. If such a small percentage is 20% and you average 15,000 to 20,000 people in the hospitals each day due to COVID what do you think that daily number would be if no one was vacced? 100k, 200k?

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: Sander1976

Shanghai confined 25 million people to their homes because 400 thousand citizen tested positive for the new variant- which has killed a staggering 7 people.

Funny how vaccination status is no longer information that the public needs to know with the rising hospitalizations. We're told that the unvaccinated get far sicker than the vaccinated, yet they hide or obscure the data.

I wonder what it's going to take to stop this world-wide madness.

ET interference - and I’m only kind of joking.

We’ve reached a point where I can’t think of something that we could “do” that would turn the tide of how the world is going for the actual benefit of collective humanity.

The global urge for control over people is massive. The system is 100% corrupt, 100% of places.

We’d have to get real about a lot of things, collectively. But we can’t, because, survival of the fittest is a thing. We’ve also brainwashed society to think that personal responsibility/handling your own business is selfish and frowned upon. There is little to no turning back from all of that.

So, we need ET to say hello to show the world there is something more powerful than your governments.

originally posted by: Dutchowl
a reply to: Sander1976

The damage done by the vaccines takes a while to be felt. One day you're fine, the next day you're having chest pains, the next day you're dead.

I've already turned magnetic from the jabs, I can pick up nails and screws with my shoulder blades . how long will it be until I die? I'm really scared now and I don't want to die. Will my magnetism cause nails to stick into my ears or other exposed orifices?

a reply to: olaru12

Seems that the ferritin in the red blood cells might be leaving the cells, after a couple of AZ shots my cousin was diagnosed with really low iron. The human body has enough iron to make a nail, so it could build up if there were clots,

a reply to: Xtrozero

Ah...I see. You're looking at the the data for 12 and up. It's probably only relevant with regard to the deaths -- which were about 7.5% unvaccinated when they stopped reporting on April 1. So, no significant efficacy against death and trending into negative efficacy.

But for cases and hospitalizations, the relevant data should really include all ages...which is reflected in the stats I posted.

DP

a reply to: Sander1976

If the numbers keep rising, that would be in line with the prediction that a great deal of the British population would no longer have functioning immune systems by the end of March. This seems to be panning out. Now the next phase should unravel fairly fast if this is the case.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Well move numbers around to whatever fits your narrative.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: MikhailBakunin

If no one is vaxxed than there would be zero vaxxed sick people... not 1600.

But the number for people in hospitals would not be zero right? Zero people vacced means a hell of a lot more people in hospitals. So when one hospital in UK reports 80% of the 200 people in there are vacced that could be 1600 people in the hospital if no one was vacced.

So when studies reflect the opposite to your trolling statements... www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... what do you do? Claim, "oh... it's definitely BS pushing propaganda against big pharma. I need another trip to walgreens... but this random case of multiple sclerosis makes it quite difficult."

You know, if you can subscribe to one particular side... claim the opposition are huge liars and "my side is the real truth...".
You're actually justifying the ones lying opposite to you. And proving that false narratives do work, they do manipulate the public's perspective... ipso facto... more lies and fake media full speed ahead!!!!

Showing a bias [blindly believing an ideal without substantial evidence] is the actual problem. That is what must be accounted for if one truly wants to find the bottom of it.

Making it imperative to hold a neutral ground, the same due process used in the court of law... because that is the best we have for attempting to acquire a justified society.

Without implementing due process into your judgments, you are only committing a disservice to your own rights, infringing upon them yourself.

originally posted by: MikhailBakunin

So when studies reflect the opposite to your trolling statements...

Really? You find my statements trolling...man...

Showing a bias [blindly believing an ideal without substantial evidence] is the actual problem. That is what must be accounted for if one truly wants to find the bottom of it.

But that isn't what antivaccers do now is it. Anything that doesn't fit their narrative is a lie while grabbing anything they can that does fit their narrative as the truth.

Making it imperative to hold a neutral ground, the same due process used in the court of law... because that is the best we have for attempting to acquire a justified society.

Without implementing due process into your judgments, you are only committing a disservice to your own rights, infringing upon them yourself.

Well great then do so, hold a middle ground, I have. I have said 100 times I disagree with much of what has been going on to include I do not think the vaccine is for everyone, especially children, and not because of some hyperbole that millions are dying to the vaccine, but more along the lines of any risk is too much when the virus for the young is already extremely low.

I'm not the one pushing fear porn just to prove I'm right as so many here seem to do.

"So when studies reflect the opposite to your trolling statements...

Really? You find my statements trolling...man..."



You go to a post called "Hospital admissions among the jabbed shoot up like a rocket."

- Bringing evidence the vaxx is actually harming millions as we speak

- so you bait your hook... and state, the hospitals would not be as full if everyone was vaccinated...


[How is that not trolling?]
Not to mention...

- the vaxx
- covid


We already handled this months ago, found the best ways to get rid of it, also found masks did nothing,
As the curtains are being taken down to reveal the real players behind it.

You decide to negate all the progress made on the threat;

Post pro-vaxx statements in an anti-vaxx thread....

Might as well go into a McDonald's to eat you Burger King Whopper.

Maybe you don't understand... but, my friend, that is trolling 101.

Double post

originally posted by: MikhailBakunin

You go to a post called "Hospital admissions among the jabbed shoot up like a rocket."

- Bringing evidence the vaxx is actually harming millions as we speak

- so you bait your hook... and state, the hospitals would not be as full if everyone was vaccinated...

The damn OP's title is trolling my good person...lol Harming millions is fear porn, and trolling. You all can not actually have a normal conversation on all this.

You decide to negate all the progress made on the threat

It's not a threat, it's a side you all are unable to look at.

Post pro-vaxx statements in an anti-vaxx thread....

This right here is the problem I think. How dare someone not like us actually post in OUR posts... lol give me a break. Do you want to talk about it or just kumbaya in your little bubble of fear. I do not fear either the virus or the vaccine as one needs to weigh their risk factors in both cases.

That is why healthy teen kids are collapsing everywhere playing sports... looking totally fine... then nite-nite...

Before d.i.y. chemists could get a good reading and conclusion to what it is... they coincidentally ban the substance before stuff went south.

Millions, maybe billions of kids dying, got it... You read and read, but you only read what fits your narrative and that is called Confirmation bias.

It doesn't make you smarter....

Everywhere I go, nobody is masked...it's a free for all.

a reply to: Xtrozero

This is a real problem, the unvaxed are unvaxed for good reasons, they made a decision with consequences in the early rollout. The vaxed had their shot for real reasons they also made their decisions which may or may not have had consequences for them. If you are vaxed and hear a rumor that the vax will eventually be fatal, denial will kick in whether it is or not, and no one will want to hear any scientific valid argument of why this will be so. If most of your loved ones are vaxed, and you think the shot is dangerous, it might be counterproductive to even say anything on the subject anymore. because the mear act of giving out information as a messenger, will be risking, a shoot the messenger situation. If you do your statements must be measured and open to wiggle room. The placebo effect last time I looked was at thirty percent, so if a vaxed person is subjected to irrefutable evidence given by you even in good faith, and they are made to believe it, that information although correct could have a very detrimental effect on their health. Not an ideal situation but it is worth keeping in mind.,

a reply to: anonentity

As I said, I fear neither and had both already. Got vacced, then I had to get a booster to travel to Spain, then I caught omicron. I'm 62 in good health and I weighed my situation on whether the vaccine is right for me or not. My COVID lasted 3 days and by day 5 was all gone.

People that work for me who are not vacced caught it too in the recent past and told me it was the worst flu of their life that went on for 10+ days and they still have lingering issues months later. They are also 20+ years younger than me.

So who knows, but I feel my choices were correct for me, and just maybe theirs were not the best for them. I'm not here to judge anyone, as I really don't care what anyone does, its their choice, but we all need to look at all sides and not just focus on just one aspect. The only reason I seem more pro vac is because so many here are hyper anti vac and that kind of drives my argument mostly.

originally posted by: quintessentone
Everywhere I go, nobody is masked...it's a free for all.

Almost like normal...lol scary..

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: anonentity

As I said, I fear neither and had both already. Got vacced, then I had to get a booster to travel to Spain, then I caught omicron. I'm 62 in good health and I weighed my situation on whether the vaccine is right for me or not. My COVID lasted 3 days and by day 5 was all gone.

People that work for me who are not vacced caught it too in the recent past and told me it was the worst flu of their life that went on for 10+ days and they still have lingering issues months later. They are also 20+ years younger than me.

So who knows, but I feel my choices were correct for me, and just maybe theirs were not the best for them. I'm not here to judge anyone, as I really don't care what anyone does, its their choice, but we all need to look at all sides and not just focus on just one aspect. The only reason I seem more pro vac is because so many here are hyper anti vac and that kind of drives my argument mostly.

So your advice is "who knows"? That's great. You must be supremely confident about long term side effects. You know those things that don't happen for years. I know that when a company has a monetary incentive to tell me their product is good, they would never lie about it. Pfizer has never done that in the past. Sounds great.

A few things that make me feel confident:

1. They wanted to wait 75 years to release trials data
2. Past history of a bunch of billion dollar lawsuits for their drugs killing people
3. They lied about efficacy of mRNA vaccine, presenting relative risk as 100% effective and hiding absolute risk which was absymal
4. Ventavia whistle blower showed they are up to their old tricks by faking trial results, unblinding patients, removing trial participants who had adverse effects
5. Corporate capture of the FDA and CDC who will do whatever they say
6. One you shill the vaccine and get the shot you are married to it for life, no matter what happens. You can't unvaccinated yourself, so no matter what evidence is presented, or if god descends from heaven and personally hands you the evidence, you would deny it.

Those are things that make me feel extremely confident.