A Modest Proposal--Exit NATO

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originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
Was the article written by Trump, Putin, or some Republican?

LOL!

a reply to: Salander

It was written by a Canadian professor and he suggests getting rid of the "war economy" which is NATO.

Something most rational thinking people could probably get behind.

This text was first published on April 4 2019 in the context of the Florence International Conference: No War, No NATO which centred on the key relationship between US-NATO military operations directed against targeted countries and the imposition of  far-reaching neoliberal economic reforms both before and in the wake of US-NATO military interventions.

At the height of the Ukraine Crisis, a World War III Scenario Looms. Nuclear War is Contemplated. The Future of Humanity is Threatened.

What are the Solutions:

NATO Exit under Art. 13. Notice of Denunciation

A Worldwide Antiwar Movement

The Disabling of  War Propaganda

Sanity in US Foreign Policy

Diplomacy and Peace Negotiations,

The Closing Down of the War Economy. 

With the correct strategy and destination, it warrants consideration. Unfortunately it wouldn't succeed without a globalist effort to disable the weapons industry, withdrawing the US only means we aren't contributing to the WEF agenda so we're essentially trading our leadership function for that of a diplomat which costs both leverage and revenue in the long game. At present, our economy is dependent on being "useful" to the likes of NATO and their acolytes.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

It's a Canadian site, Global Research.

Primarily the US, even as Trump had talked about, but any member state should be able to exit if it wishes.

Thanks for the summary.

I'll offer a conventional concern here. Rather than the traditional CT concern of the USA acting as an agent of the NWO, it is important to realize the shoe is really on the other foot. To use a 1960s phrase with a new twist,

"The EU tail is wagging the NATO dog"

That goes for Canada as much as it does the USA. By that phrase, I mean the EU is getting up to foreign policy initiatives in Europe "east of NATO" that have potential to go sour. And when they do, who does the EU call for military backup of their foreign policy?

Ding ding ding

How many Canadians want to die in a war triggered by EU "economic initiatives" ?

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

It's a Canadian site, Global Research.

Primarily the US, even as Trump had talked about, but any member state should be able to exit if it wishes.

Thanks for the summary.

I'll offer a conventional concern here. Rather than the traditional CT concern of the USA acting as an agent of the NWO, it is important to realize the shoe is really on the other foot. To use a 1960s phrase with a new twist,

"The EU tail is wagging the NATO dog"

That goes for Canada as much as it does the USA. By that phrase, I mean the EU is getting up to foreign policy initiatives in Europe "east of NATO" that have potential to go sour. And when they do, who does the EU call for military backup of their foreign policy?

Ding ding ding

How many Canadians want to die in a war triggered by EU "economic initiatives" ?

Cheers

Most definitely I do think here in the US we go have certain connected politicians(on both sides)making bank with all the aid and defense spending thrown around by the US. They peddle their influence to the highest bidder at worst or have keen insider knowledge for investments at best, either way its crooked.

originally posted by: Salander
www.globalresearch.ca...

This article considers the details of exiting NATO. All things considered, I think it makes sense.

Looking for feedback

This article was written by a Kremlin stooge and basically urges the West to unilaterally disarm in the face of the Russian threat.

All things considered, I think it definitely makes sense for Putin.

For those in Europe who don't want Russian tanks rolling into a city near them and Russian troops raping, pillaging, looting, and murdering the civilians--not so much.

a reply to: 1947boomer

"Shut down war propaganda and war economy" aka the psyop tactics and profiteering. There's no reason to have less weapons within our borders and it's not suggested.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Not sure what you mean by economic initiatives, but I think EU and European NATO countries need to increase their military spending. They can deal with Russia on their own, they've just gotten used to the US doing that for them. Especially Germany and Sweden, fortunately this is improving now.

Russia would be easy to beat in a conventional war but of course it's still good to coordinate nuclear strategy between US, Britain and France.

Working group on strengthening WHO preparedness and response to health emergencies

Maybe we should add the UN to that list? Maybe there is a place for some global coordination on global issues? With the current standards on global coordination of covid, maybe we need a working group to strengthen the International Criminal Court on crimes against humanity?

With the current funding structure, big pharma has a big say in how it plays out. If the UN really wanted to help global coordination, then halting all the censorship is a good start. The facts will sort out from the fiction as the discussions and debates go on.

There is a bit to dig through on the WHO link, short story, Lockstep 2.0.

As for NATO, it grew from the ashes of WW2. With a common currency and passport in the EU, a common national guard makes some sense. As for how this butts up against Russia, Africa, Others... Getting a bit hot in Ukraine at the moment. If the Euro crashes, NATO will be in trouble.

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
Was the article written by Trump, Putin, or some Republican?

LOL!

a reply to: Salander

It was written by a Canadian professor and he suggests getting rid of the "war economy" which is NATO.

Something most rational thinking people could probably get behind.

"Rational thinking thinking people" want to leave Europe defenseless against a russian invasion?


NATO has prevented another major European invasion for 75 years, something that was considered absolutely impossible 75 years ago.


Those aren't 'rational thinking people' you are listening to.

a reply to: JAY1980

That professor is mostly correct on the issue the US had been relying on a war economy its why its likely the Ukrainian conflict is going to continue for couple of years not months.

Eventually some of you would figure this one out.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

NATO has prevented another major European invasion for 75 years
NATO recently has done quite a nice job of protecting Europe by letting and allowing Libya to be controlled by human traffickers and other criminals in the region.

want to leave Europe defenseless against a russian/ invasion?

You mean the same NATO that is been used by US to blockade both Russia and China? to make sure China doesn't fulfill its ecnomcnic interests in Europe?

Eventually this is going to make Russia turn to China. Than there is nothing that NATO can do to stop both Russia and China...

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The same NATO and EU that had done nothing for countries that experienced covid and ignored Italy when millions of immigrants kept coming into Italy?

Than you wonder why Italians have the largest dislike for the EU and NATO?

Current events have shown how fundamentally important a strong and unified NATO is.

Sure there are faults with NATO, there are with every organisation.
Member nations need to start meeting their financial obligation, without fail, and NATO's mission and purpose needs updating and re-iterating to meet the realities of the world we live in today.

Only once has Article 5 been invoked during NATO's existence; by the USA after 9/11.
It was unanimously passed by every single member nation without a moments hesitation.
Article 5 is the underlying strength that has made NATO such a powerful deterrent; "Attack one you attack us all".

And now, when we need to show some resolve and be steadfast we have American's shouting 'We want out', 'It's nothing to do with us'.
Music to Putin's and every other tin pot dictator's ears.

Shameful.

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Not sure what you mean by economic initiatives, but I think EU and European NATO countries need to increase their military spending. They can deal with Russia on their own, they've just gotten used to the US doing that for them. Especially Germany and Sweden, fortunately this is improving now.

Russia would be easy to beat in a conventional war but of course it's still good to coordinate nuclear strategy between US, Britain and France.

The EU's initial "offer" to Ukraine was termed an "economic initiative".

That led to the flip and then, the flop of the then Ukraine leader, which triggered a revolution. That followed by the conflict in Donbas and now an invasion of Ukraine by Russia.

Nothing wrong with "economic initiatives". My point here is that the EU, with a policy initiative to Ukraine, set in motion a train of events that now have the USA moving troops into the eastern tier of NATO nations because there is widespread concern the war could spread to other European countries. Thus, my comment that the "EU tail wagged the NATO dog".

Cheers

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The same NATO and EU that had done nothing for countries that experienced covid and ignored Italy when millions of immigrants kept coming into Italy?

Than you wonder why Italians have the largest dislike for the EU and NATO?

NATO is a defensive alliance, not a country

What do wuhan-19 and illegal immigration have to do with NATO?