Ex-NATO analyst paints a completely different picture of war in Ukraine.

a reply to: Sander1976

Well done, a side of this conflict that people are blind to. The Russian justification for war is more complicated than what you see on CNN or BBC.

People seem to miss the fact there's also a civil war going on amidst the Russian invasion.

a reply to: MrsRice

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a reply to: MrsRice

Whazzam

a reply to: MiddleInsite

You need to be totally naïve to believe that.

If America directly confronts Russia nobody wins other than the rats, roaches, flies and maggots.

Honestly, i don't know why you post on these threads, it's the same simpleton BS, day after day.

I get the feeling this topic has ruffled some feathers.

originally posted by: 10uoutlaw
a reply to: MiddleInsite

The USA military has not won a conflict in a long time .[snipped]

Define win.

What was the last conflict the US military was let off it's leash and allowed to operate as a military force without interference from politicians and the liberal press?

I'm noticing some claims in there that are demonstrably false.

We know for a fact that Russia was supplying arms and men. We have photographic proof showing Russian troops moving a BUK launcher into Ukraine before the downing of MH-17.

Then of course there's the staggering number of "training accidents" starting in 2014 that saw Russian soldiers filling up hospitals and morgues.

We also know that Russian-backed mercenary groups, like the Wagner Group, have been operating in area since 2014.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
I get the feeling this topic has ruffled some feathers.

Personally, I like these moments the best, it's like weeks and weeks of foul air and then there's that breath of the freshest air you ever smelled, which ofc can only occur on the rare occasion when someone simply speaks the truth.

We're all different ofc and I can understand how the OP is a tough pill for some to swallow

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

World war 2 and the first Gulf war but they were stopped short on that one . When do you ever feel the U.S. troops will be sent in to get the job done . None of these wars are ever finished but that is not the militaries fault , orders are orders . I am ex Military and I can tell you first hand that the top brass will never be able to unleash the full force of the U.S. military

IF this is true then our leaders have a lot to answer for, I always said we should NOT get involved and already knew about the Neo Nazi groups whom worship the likes of Bandera.

Still if this can be verified it is an eye opener.

Personally I think honestly and not out of any fear that we would have had a far more productive relationship with Russia if we had become there friends instead of there enemy's.

Yes they did murder a Russian Dissident in the UK (My Nation) and that DID anger us as innocent brit's also died as a result of that assassination.

But Putin aside and love or hate him Russia really did not have to be our enemy, I suspect this is something that is organised at hidden higher level's though and we the mere citizens of our nations don't get much of a say in it.

As for whom Bandera was well.
en.wikipedia.org...
justice4poland.com...
Look at the picture of those little children stuck to a tree by there Ukrainian nationalist murderers in WW2, anyone that can do that is not human and anyone that hero worships those that did that is also not human.

I still don't want to take a side but the Ukraine has a disease, it is a nasty disease and perhaps this war will be the cure should Russia actually win EXCEPT that Russia has it's own ultra right wing pro russian Neo Nazi movements (whom before they got on bad terms where actually very friendly and even shared members with the likes of Azov) so unless they clean up there own house?.

Some of us have KNOWN THIS from the beginning and have been saying it on here for a long time now. Others (The majority), have bought into the Ukrainian, American & Western propaganda, hook, like & sinker!!!

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
I'll say it again.

Putin invaded Ukraine. Putin is responsible. Not the United State of America.

And Putin would have his ass kicked if we got involved. Period.

a reply to: Sander1976

What DO YOU not understand? Ukraine was bombing and attacking the ethnic Russians for a long time now!!! Not just in Donbass, but the Poroshenko backed and the Zelenskyy backed Nationlists were attacking ethnic Russians all over Ukraine!! I dont understand what you don't get? If a large amount of Americans (15 million) lived in a foreign like say Canada and most of these Americans lived in a specific part of Canada and the Canadian government was bombing them, attacking them and having groups of civilian thugs traveling around and attacking Americans you don't think the US government (or any country that could) wouldn't step in and put an end to that??

You don't think the US would want regime change in Canada so this wouldn't happen again?!?!?

Before everyone gives this man credence, please check the website here about the man:
www.wikipe.wiki...

"According to journalist Antoine Hasday, published by Conspiracy Watch, an interview with Jacques Baud given to RT France "checks all the boxes for geopolitical conspiracy". The latter, sometimes invited by the traditional media, also intervened on the far-right web-television TV Libertés, as well as previously on RT France. Interviewed on this last channel by Frédéric Taddeï in September 2020, he notably minimizes the human toll of the war in Darfur, which he reduces to 2,500 dead (compared to 300,000 according to the UN) and denies the responsibility of the Syrian army in the massacres in Homs in 2011 and in the chemical attacks in Ghouta, Khan Cheikhoun and Douma between 2013 and 2018. Echoing the official arguments of Bashar al-Assad's Syrian regime, he also asserts that the photographs taken by the military photographer "Caesar" are not those of political opponents who died under torture, but of soldiers of the Syrian army. Jacques Baud also clears Russia by considering that the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal was caused by "food poisoning" and that the poisoning of Alexei Navalny is probably "the fact of the mafia"."

a reply to: MiddleInsite

I'll say it again.

Putin invaded Ukraine. Putin is responsible. Not the United State of America.

And Putin would have his ass kicked if we got involved. Period.

I think that hatred for someone personally should not prevail over common sense.

Putin is the president that many people around the world would like for their own.

In my country, we have some clowns who make five nonsense every day.

If Putin is not as he is, he is worried about protecting civilians in this war, so he sent ground troops
he could easily send aviation and the war will over in a week.

originally posted by: TheGreazel
a reply to: Sander1976

After the coup in 2014, the Russian-speaking part of the population was attacked by Ukrainian nationalists.

Well Dutch natives got attacked above the Donbass , resulting in every one on that plane died.

BUK schrapnel with russian ID numbers was found inside the victims.

Why should i care about people in donbass when they did not gave a damm about dutch citizens left to rot in a field ?

1. There is still much doubt about who brought that plane down, nothing is for sure. Regardless of who brought it down it was one person who brought it down, not all of the Ukrainians in Donbass.

2. Why would you not Care about civilians in Donbass (4 million) who had nothing to do with bringing a plane down regardless of who shot it down? That's like others saying they don't care about American civilians for what America has done in other countries. Is it the 70 year old womans fault in the US of what accidently got bombed in Iraq?

3. I'm glad you know how over 4 million people felt about innocent People dieing in the plane.

a reply to: Sander1976

Yea this and insider trading is how they got so rich sense Bama. Cnn even reported on the fact oddly enough.

a reply to: Lora73

Putin has ordered some evil stuff and the only excuse for it is that comes with the job. If you can be detached about it.


I tried to think about it all comparing what he has ordered to my own country and came to the realization that we are running a scam. If we were to add up the last 30-40 years of crap our government has ordered and imagine it was all ordered by one leader he would be evil incarnate.

All the wars, invasions, funding rebel groups, coups etcetera. But every 4 to 8 years we self absolve ourselves of those evil leaders by voting a new one in. The president acts a s a focal point for our sins but hey we got rid of the last one. We have a clean slate. It is his fault.

With this president, it should be crystal clear to far more people that the ones really in charge are hidden in the shadows. The man is a dementia patient, he isn't guiding or deciding anything.

Who are those people in the shadows? IMO they are shareholders, bank execs, and decision-makers of mega corperations. OIl, gas, weapons manufacturers and their like.