The economic blitzkrieg against Russia has failed

a reply to: JBurns


"Look at a map of US military bases globally. They surround Russia. Russia isnt the bad guy, although I believe Putin should nuke someone sooner than later to deter any future US lead aggression or meddling."

Who would you like nuked?

Sounds like "aggression" to me.

No sane person wants the use of nuclear weapons.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

What you aren't seeing is that the left/government's position is untenable. If it were me, I would call them out into the wide open on their escalation by also escalating the use of force.

The US/West's intervention is Russia's war is unthinkable and shocking.

It would be no different than if Russia had supplied Iraq or Taliban with weapons to kill US forces with.

Russia has nukes. That means their concerns matter more than the average John Q. Non-nuclear country. They have the ability to end the world (which includes the West) so when our leaders start sticking their noses in places they don't belong (namely, into conflicts they started) that is a problem. And now, Ukraine is launching attacks into Russia with US made and supplied weapons! Brilliant!

I'll ask you again, where was your concern for Ukraine's sovereignty when the US was overthrowing their government in 2014?

At least be consistent. I denounced it then and I still denounce it now.

No sane person wants a world ruled by the US. Look at how big of a disaster this country is...you want to export that kind of crazy? When I say this country is a complete do-over I am being generous. I don't support the liberal world order, I don't support the hegemony of democracy. I don't care how big your mob is, when you have a mechanism to inflict the will of a plurality on the rest of us its broken and not worth fixing.

Dems are flailing. You know they are. Biden tucked tail in Afghanistan and it fell. He did the same in Ukraine, which opened the door for Putin to have freedom of action. Biden gave up the initiative to Putin, and the rest will now be history. We aren't going to start WW3 just so Dems can cover up the fact they put a senile man in the oval office who probably can't tie his own shoes without 2-3 assistants.

a reply to: JBurns

So Putin did not start the war in Ukraine and everything is the fault of the US?

Seems like yer boy Putin may have a few medical issues.

He's behaving like a madman.



In 2014 it wasn't Ukraine's govt that was ousted.

It was a corrupt Russian puppet govt.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Jesus. Putin didn't start the war. He did invade Ukraine. That wasn't the start of the war, which again was 2014. Historical record (including leaked phone calls) show that it was absolutely a coup that was definitively unlawful and orchestrated by the US state department.

moderndiplomacy.eu...

It was a corrupt Russian puppet govt.

OK and Russia calls the junta government a corrupt US puppet govt. So what's your point?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
It was a corrupt Russian puppet govt.

...in favor of a new corrupt US puppet government. The Obama admin literally withheld aid money from the Ukraine until they replaced their leadership with individuals tied to Euromaidan and the globalist commitment. Zelensky is the poster child of puppet presidencies, right down to a clear willingness to throw his entire country straight into hell just to give the west their Russian boogeyman rather than make choices that would actually benefit his people, let alone save their lives.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

In 2014 it wasn't Ukraine's govt that was ousted.

It was a corrupt Russian puppet govt.

To be taken by a US puppet govt.

Then armed by the west.

To kill Ukranians.

Isnt history fun.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

He's behaving like a madman.

From your cancel culture to the black mask thugs to government thugs closing churches and arresting parents....you lefties can't BULLY Russia the way you do everyone else and it drives you nuts!

He is behaving like someone that has been THREATENED and is giving you an out to walk away before things get ugly. You ignore those warnings at your own peril.

Make no mistake, what the left has already put in motion is unforgivable. Russians will, historically, fight to the last man. Only far from anything silly like galvanizing support behind Biden and the band of incompetent fools running the show over here, the American people see things for what they are. Anyone with Google or access to a library can find the truth about 2014. Historical fact vs. MSM spin

That pretty well sums it up. Every decade, we outpace Russia's military spending by 7,500,000,000,000.00 dollars. That is likely accusing David of aggression against Goliath. It just isn't possible.

a reply to: JBurns

It would be no different than if Russia had supplied Iraq or Taliban with weapons to kill US forces with.

Russia did supply Iraq and the Taliban with weapons, along with intelligence about US troop movements.

a reply to: JBurns

I'm not a "leftie".

Is Putin?

a reply to: JBurns

Every war the US government has fought in except WW2 has started because:
US government Do as we say or else!
Foreign entity We are a sovereign nation and have done nothing to the USA, what authority do you have here?
US government Prepare your anus, bitch! Here comes the war machine!!!

This is considered OK and, possibly even worse, is globally embraced due to all the dipsht Euro nations, Canada, and Australia happily jumping into the US' coalition of the willing horsecrap at every opportunity.

Russia or any non western nation, meanwhile move on a threatening neighbor and suddenly "OMFG!!! Aggression! Barbarism! It's a non western nation flexing!" suddenly the west acts like while America in he 40s with their fear of a black planet, as if Russia is suddenly going to pump their biceps and every western female will en masse fall at Putin's feet and offer themselves to him or something.

It would be comical and all the little sycophantic, easily predictable pissant enablers cheering western involvement in matters that don't concern them would be hilarious and worth belly laughs over their histrionics and melodramatic nonsense... except those of us in the sane camp are sadly handcuffed to these war mongering fascist western governments and these morons so, when they get drug down into the abyss, a lot of us will go down with them or be forced to cut our arm off to free ourselves from their vapid carcasses.

a reply to: JBurns

David did not have an arsenal of nuclear weapons and threaten to use them.

As if the intelligence lapdogs haven't done enough damage to the world and our nation's reputation...

There has been a lot of real-time intelligence shared in terms of things that could be used for specific targeting of Russian forces, said a former senior intelligence official familiar with the situation. The information includes commercial satellite images but also a lot of other intelligence about, for example, where certain types of Russian units are active.

-As said the NSC!

Stunning.

How many will scream to high heaven when Russia starts providing intelligence to our enemies in-kind?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: JBurns

David did not have an arsenal of nuclear weapons and threaten to use them.

I'd say the power of the Lord exceeds the power of nukes and...

45 David said to the Philistine, “You come against me with sword and spear and javelin, but I come against you in the name of the Lord Almighty, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. 46 This day the Lord will deliver you into my hands, and I’ll strike you down and cut off your head. This very day I will give the carcasses of the Philistine army to the birds and the wild animals, and the whole world will know that there is a God in Israel. 47 All those gathered here will know that it is not by sword or spear that the Lord saves; for the battle is the Lord’s, and he will give all of you into our hands.”

yes, David did threaten to use his tactical Godnukes.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

"Godnukes"?

Blimey.

The swine.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Has the US ever started a war with the aim of taking over the land of a sovereign nation and stealing their territory?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Has the US ever started a war with the aim of taking over the land of a sovereign nation and stealing their territory?

The US doesn't steal territory outright, they invade countries either through open war, proxy, or clandestine covert ops and install puppet governments. You've already admitted you recognize the intrinsic value in this actions in this very thread with your comment about how the 2014 Ukrainian government was just an extension of Moscow and Putin didn't need to take over Ukrainian land under that scenario. By the standards you're using to judge Putin, the USA has a much worse, much bloodier, much more diverse history of conquering sovereign nations. The puppet governments the US has placed in power around the world are, not coincidentally, some of the most brutal fascist dictatorships of the past half century... they serve a dual purpose in that regard, not only do they allow the US to control the country through a puppet, ensuring oil, resources, and a weaponized nation that can be used against non-US controlled enemy nations in the same region, they also serve as a failsafe which the CIA, Penatgon, or White House can flip the switch on when they need a boogeyman. Saddam Hussein, for example, served the US well as a friendly puppet, then served the US even more as a boogeyman puppet which the nation could use as an excuse to pump more money and energy into the war machine (not to mention distract the citizens from anything but the wars the government needed them focused on).

Same crap here with Zelensky. The west really, really needs a boogeyman to blame inflation on while also providing an excuse for expansion of fascist western government control over western citizens... Zelensky openly flirts with NATO and the EU in defiance of a treaty with Russia binding the Ukraine to not permitting expansion of NATO weapon battalions and listening posts closer to Russia, let alone barring the Ukraine from seeking NATO or EU membership. Badabing! Suddenly the west has their boogeyman in Putin and they can blame their citizen's woes on him, insisting that any citizen grievance is actually Putin's fault, not the fault of the failing and illegitimate US administration.

This is how the US operates. It is how they've operated since FDR... Eisenhower knew it and warned the world of it, the world ignored the warning. JFK knew about it and tried to actually change it, so they assassinated him.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

You know what?

The hatred for the US and love for Putin on here just saddens me, so much.

Think I'll give up arguing with those types for a while.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

It really is impossible for you to admit you're wrong... but those of us who have been around here awhile with you have learned to recognize the "I'm done arguing this" melodrama from you as a de-facto admission of defeat. I accept your yield.

ETA: You, as with many others on your side of this argument, far too often vapidly conflate the position of realists with emotionally charged horsecrap like "hatred" and "love." The words I typed in this thread aren't hatred nor are they love, they are simply a realistic depiction of how it is. Literally EVERY accusation the US government has lobbed at Putin involve actions and decisions the US government has itself also done in countries so far removed from the USA that they are on opposite sides of the globe. Russia and the Ukraine share a border.... the Ukraine's government harbored ideological terrorists and refused to surrender them to Russia after Russian people were killed by these entities within the Ukraine... the Ukraine was considered a threat to Russian security and safety so Moscow attacked the Ukraine... Belarus provided base support for Moscow... Russia further demonstrated evils by threatening to use WMDs against the Ukraine and anyone who got involved. We are told all of this is evil and Russia and Belarus are to be feared and loathed.

Replace the Ukraine with Afghanistan, Russia with the USA, and Belarus with Israel, take away the shared border, and reword WMD threats with promises of "Shock and Awe" coupled with grandoise veiled threats of "you're either iwth us or against us" alongside dviding the world into the "good guys" and the "axis of evil" and I'm not seeing the difference here. Both Russia and the US kill civilians, both use weapons which lesser nations are outright criminalized for possessing let alone using, both claim righteousness, one controls the mainstream media and that is literally the only reason they appear virtuous while getting to be sole judge, jury, and exocutioner of whomever they deem as "evil." Even the accusations against Russia operating around nuke plants in the Ukraine posing an ecological threat... hello, how many depleted uranium rounds are currently leeching radiation into the soil in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Simply put, your arguments here fail because you're a hypocrite who is blinded by their ideological bull#.