I pose a simple few questions

*Sticking to religion forums, politics has become so cultish....ironic the religion form has become ... less ... cultish

I will pose very simple, but far reaching questions to you all. What IS light? Not what light does, but what is light?

Not to lead you on, but for time intensive purposes, would you agree with the following:

"Light is particles called Protons, which are part of the electro-magnetic sphere that carry a specific amount of energy."



If we can agree, I'll ask another question.

What is perception?

Again, not to lead you on, but but for time intensive purposes, would you agree they are your senses?



Landauer's principle;

Landauer's principle is a physical principle pertaining to the lower theoretical limit of energy consumption of computation. It holds that "any logically irreversible manipulation of information, such as the erasure of a bit or the merging of two computation paths, must be accompanied by a corresponding entropy increase in non-information-bearing degrees of freedom of the information-processing apparatus or its environment".[1] Another way of phrasing Landauer's principle is that if an observer loses information about a physical system, heat is generated and the observer loses the ability to extract useful work from that system.

en.wikipedia.org...



Applying this to the human mind and the laws of thermodynamics, you can make any "memory" reversible, thus avoiding the need to erase "memories" and therefore use energy, but in turn, you end up having to store all sorts of junk memories because you're not allowed to erase it.



MK Ultra employs techniques to use external forces outside your body, to manipulate, and coerce your perceptions of reality. Light, in the form of television. Hearing, in the form of music. Touch, in the form of gratification. Smell, in the form of toxicity. Taste, in the form of poison.

I'll pose the most important question of all. What is reality?

Reality is not real. Reality is merely your perception of what is real.



If you ever seen a rainbow, can you tell me what colors make up a rainbow? I'll even allow you to google search this one. Just 7, we can only see through our perceptions, 7 colors in a rainbow. Where-as there are infinite colors, truly, if anything, pure light. We do not see pure light, and we do not see all the colors of the rainbow. The human eye cannot make out ultra violet or infrared.



Exactly the same when it comes to hearing. As the human eye can only see in light wave lengths in the range of 380 to 700 nanometers, the human ear can only hear in 20 – 20000Hz* frequency wave lengths. Our perceptions are limited and thus can be manipulated by people privy to knowing that.



Lets talk about "Luciferians". Lucifer means the bearer of light. In this conversation, light is not "true", at least through our perception. There-fore, a person who "brings light" is a person who provides you with "false light". Not a disrespect to God, this is a human problem. But for argumentative sake, all light is false, considering. Hence why "Satan" and "Prometheus" are attributed with "Stealing fire and light from the Gods and giving it to man".

Luciferianism, is not so much a specific group, but a specific adherence to a cult of information that has existed for a long-long time. To deceive the human mind and keep them from ascending into a more powerful form. But this would be my argument for religion in general, which is an accurate story of human account in the form of a more fictionalized sensation.

*Now I'm going to lose some folks*
Evolution is a lie, darwnism is true. The greatest civilization to have existed also ironically was one of the first. An empire, to this day, we envy for their sophistication and advancement, Ancient Egypt. We can be deceived through most of our senses, but we cannot defy some of the greatest architecture, mathematics and information collectively in Ancient Egyptian monuments, hieroglyphs and teachings.

Astronomy, geometry, everything goes back to Egypt. Pythagoras' famous theorem was actually conceptualized by the Egyptians way before the time of Pythagoras. Modern medicine, science, all roots back to ancient Egypt.

In closing, I want to wrap this up by saying... External forces is what makes "us". Radio waves are received in all its forms (hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting, feeling) to your brain, which make up our reality. Bombarding our perceptions with falsity's creates our reality.

The idea is to ascend, not descend. This is Jacobs ladder. Do not let the material world take hold of you and keep you in a material realm. This is what every religion is about. Be a good person, of good moral character. Do unto others as you would do unto you. Love all, hate none. Be the person you would hope to see when entering "your idea" of heaven. Rise above the influence and think for yourself. Do not harp on petty circumstances.

See beyond the Veil of Isis.

And as always, love you all and welcome the feedback and criticism.

*Correction by pheonix358

Astronomy, geometry, everything goes back to Egypt. Pythagoras' famous theorem was actually conceptualized by the Egyptians way before the time of Pythagoras. Modern medicine, science, all roots back to ancient Egypt.

The oldest lists of the Vedas are far older than the Egyptian civilization, and they contain a mathematically accurate description of the origin of the solar system of the Milky Way of our planet, etc. The Book of Dzyan also contains information about the origin of man and our race, our civilization and it is older than Egypt.
I am not saying that Egypt is not important in the process of the emergence of our civilization in the process of the emergence of the religion we know today, but that there is something that is older than Egypt.
The Egyptian pyramid temples and the writings found there are only the most popular nowadays.
If I may add to your topic, the steam engine was invented by Heron in Alexandria, but after the fire in the libraries it fell into oblivion, imagine where we would be now as a civilization if we had a steam engine since before the new era.
en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Lora73

Astronomy, geometry, everything goes back to Egypt. Pythagoras' famous theorem was actually conceptualized by the Egyptians way before the time of Pythagoras. Modern medicine, science, all roots back to ancient Egypt.

The oldest lists of the Vedas are far older than the Egyptian civilization, and they contain a mathematically accurate description of the origin of the solar system of the Milky Way of our planet, etc. The Book of Dzyan also contains information about the origin of man and our race, our civilization and it is older than Egypt.
I am not saying that Egypt is not important in the process of the emergence of our civilization in the process of the emergence of the religion we know today, but that there is something that is older than Egypt.
The Egyptian pyramid temples and the writings found there are only the most popular nowadays.
If I may add to your topic, the steam engine was invented by Heron in Alexandria, but after the fire in the libraries it fell into oblivion, imagine where we would be now as a civilization if we had a steam engine since before the new era.
en.wikipedia.org...

And ironically, Hindu'ism found its way into ancient egypt too. Thank you for your addition

I actually would argue our civilization and our teachings is directly related to Hinduism. The morals of Christianity/Abrahamic religions line up with Hindu thought.

This would go more into a conversation about origins, Lemuria, Atlantis ect. Again, I believe the Egyptians were privy to information we just are not (and yes, succeeding the Indian Hindu civilization).



eta: forgot to star your post

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

the human ear can only hear in 2000 – 5000Hz

20Hz to 20000Hz

we can only see through our perceptions, 7 colors in a rainbow

Do some research on cones within our eyes. We see three colors.

Not to lead you on, but for time intensive purposes, would you agree with the following:

No.

P

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n



20Hz to 20000H

Thank you for the correction, I usually write these articles without a quick review and post them away. I'll edit the OP to reflect the correction.

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n
Do some research on cones within our eyes. We see three colors.

First and foremost, I never claimed we can see 7 colors. I claimed we can see 7 colors through our perception. Please, if you're here to troll, get lost. If you know how to read, then use some of that critical thinking and follow along mate.

Quoted text:

If you ever seen a rainbow, can you tell me what colors make up a rainbow? I'll even allow you to google search this one. Just 7, we can only see through our perceptions, 7 colors in a rainbow. Where-as there are infinite colors, truly, if anything, pure light. We do not see pure light, and we do not see all the colors of the rainbow. The human eye cannot make out ultra violet or infrared.

I've already explained the infinite number of "colors" in a rainbow which is not perceivable to the human eye.

I talk about light and perception frequently on ATS. Imagine something being the centerpiece of your conversations, and not understanding the human mechanical function behind it? Quite rudimentary if you ask me. I didn't intend to get THIS developed about cones and rods (you forgot the rods mate) nor the Sphenoid bone...but thank you... You can relate back to my old post for that conversation actually...

For argumentative sake, we can see only 7 colors, for actual sake, we can only see 3. I hope we're both happy now...

"Are colors really colors?" : www.abovetopsecret.com...
*My OP in this article stands corrected when I said refracted*, which is a future event, having meant reflected* a current event.



"MKUltra" (Sphenoid Bone/Orbital Make-up) : www.abovetopsecret.com...

ETA: Television pixels are actually invented after the make-up of the human eye.

Just as sonar technology utilizes the same technology found in nature via bats and moles.

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Not to lead you on, but for time intensive purposes, would you agree with the following:

No.

P

Assuming the wording of the quoted text, what is light, in your words?

Star for coming

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Where does the inner light come from? What is its source. I mean the light that illuminates the dreamscape. If all light originates and is emitted from physical sources and is dependent on physical eyes for reception, then what is the origin of the inner light? Is the brain able to create light? If so, we return to your question: what is light? Can physical light be memorised and reimagined by the brain?

Sorry only more questions rather than an answer.

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Firstly, Lucifer didn’t steal light, he was given light (power, influence and freewill), Lucifer went into rebellion against God. I guess you could see that as stealing but, rebellion is more appropriate
Perception is the mechanics, feeling and emotion are the computations, feelings and emotions are the reality, slightly different?

And yes, ascend not descend, we can agree but based on more than perception, existentially with actions

As for Egypt, yes they had some cultural accomplishments but not sure they were that great, certain sciences were seriously flawed

Please enlighten me on Hinduism and the common themes with christianity, not sure I would agree with that in any context
Buddhism in a round about way but not Hinduism, not at all

a reply to: Lora73

Just a thought here. What if the slow advancement of human civilization was intentional? Remember the story of the tower of Babel? And the story of Prometheus? Perhaps the "Gods" intentionally slowed human advancement. Could you imagine the Romans putting men on the moon in say 300-500 AD? Or an advanced Egypt? Or Mesopotamia?

And who knows? Maybe humanity actually rose and fell a few times. So somebody got the idea of slow tracking the next one.

a reply to: ntech

It didn't occur to me,you are absolutely right.

And who knows? Maybe humanity actually rose and fell a few times. So somebody got the idea of slow tracking the next one.

This is also true, there is too much evidence that before us there were more advanced and perhaps more advanced civilizations than us.
But our species is like that, we are curious, we always strive for something higher than us, we are impatient. I read somwere one verse says
"he who has patience is saved" but he who has, it's rarely we are all like children.

originally posted by: HilterDayon
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Where does the inner light come from? What is its source. I mean the light that illuminates the dreamscape. If all light originates and is emitted from physical sources and is dependent on physical eyes for reception, then what is the origin of the inner light? Is the brain able to create light? If so, we return to your question: what is light? Can physical light be memorised and reimagined by the brain?

Sorry only more questions rather than an answer.

Oh please, more questions rather than answers is what I desire!!

Thank you for your input. This is where the conversation gets murky unfortunately, because beyond this, we get into a deeper conversation (perhaps) as to what "God" is.

In my best answer, inner light might be the Monad? I include a question mark because I can't go further beyond this point as its beyond my comprehension and intellect.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Firstly, Lucifer didn’t steal light, he was given light (power, influence and freewill), Lucifer went into rebellion against God. I guess you could see that as stealing but, rebellion is more appropriate
Perception is the mechanics, feeling and emotion are the computations, feelings and emotions are the reality, slightly different?

Correct, I must have confused myself with Prometheus and "Satan", they're one in the same if you ask me. Perhaps I should have been more specific and reviewed my post, but I hope I got the same point across.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n
As for Egypt, yes they had some cultural accomplishments but not sure they were that great, certain sciences were seriously flawed

I would argue against this considering these things: Aside from the monumental construction feats, they designed their cities and pyramids based on "Pythagorean Theorem", which was actually invented during the construction of the Pyramids, not by Pythagoras. With that said, Geometry, the language of Mathematics, stems from Ancient Egypt.

I may not win you over with this debate, so we may have to agree to disagree on the advancement of the Egyptian civilization. Perhaps I could do a short thread one day and elaborate on the amazing accomplishments of the Egyptians.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n
Please enlighten me on Hinduism and the common themes with christianity, not sure I would agree with that in any context
Buddhism in a round about way but not Hinduism, not at all

Tree of life/Kabbalah and Hindu Chakras? One in the same.

originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: Lora73

Just a thought here. What if the slow advancement of human civilization was intentional? Remember the story of the tower of Babel? And the story of Prometheus? Perhaps the "Gods" intentionally slowed human advancement. Could you imagine the Romans putting men on the moon in say 300-500 AD? Or an advanced Egypt? Or Mesopotamia?

And who knows? Maybe humanity actually rose and fell a few times. So somebody got the idea of slow tracking the next one.

Speaking of the Tower of Babel, that is an interesting conversation. In the bible, "God" split humans up into different groups and languages when we began construction of the Tower. Could our religious systems be an interpretation of the that story, how God separated us?

I will always argue every religion is linked. Even Zoroastrianism' 3 Flames are a resemblance of the Holy Trinity.

originally posted by: Lora73
a reply to: ntech
This is also true, there is too much evidence that before us there were more advanced and perhaps more advanced civilizations than us.
But our species is like that, we are curious, we always strive for something higher than us, we are impatient. I read somwere one verse says
"he who has patience is saved" but he who has, it's rarely we are all like children.

When talking about ancient advanced civilizations, I LOVE to bring up the Goldmines of Enki Ancient nuclear wars. The Hindus actually have a lot of stories in regards to ancient "flying" wars, and weapons that were "the power of 100 suns". I won't quote the exact text unless I find it and someone pushes the envelope haha

Stars for everyone



Whether we agree or disagree, I want you all to know first and foremost I appreciate you all coming to read my "rant" and making it this far. There's no advancement of the human mind unless we ask questions, and engage with people whom we disagree with (or have deep conversation with people in agreeance)

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

When talking about ancient advanced civilizations, I LOVE to bring up the Goldmines of Enki 

 Ancient nuclear wars. The Hindus actually have a lot of stories in regards to ancient "flying" wars, and weapons that were "the power of 100 suns". I won't quote the exact text unless I find it and someone pushes the envelope haha

I love that subject to, but that opens another question or few questions

You have to look at all these things as cyclical. Existing within the exchange relationships of a torus (which is where we get Taurus/Torah)

There is no point looking at them linearly, because they influence themselves within the return of their cycles

Force that "overcomes" the resistance of the atmosphere, carries light

That same force, returning within the torus to equalise a pressure upon itself, also creates an equal pocket of negative "slack" pressure, which equalises against its positive pressure and influence

Within that negative pocket, sound can exist

Sound and light, are two sides of the same coin

If you just look at it linearly, you don't take into account the return of the pressures, as they effect themselves, which is the most important part. Because it is within this relationship that "spectral" frequency can exist. And with it, things like light and sound

Perspective sits as a phase-balance of the fractal centre-line within any of the varying layers of that cyclical exchange. Fractal recurrence, relative to the particular layer density of our propagation

We, within our bodies, exist upon the water/electrical bridge

I made these diagrams a few years ago. They all centre through the same vector-exchange equilibrium (El'ohim) and are phase-variants of the same fractal system

You can overlay the centre of these diagrams, and it shows you how they work together. It also shows how the "externalised" sun and planets work, equal to "internalised" matter. And how perceiver works, equal to perception

First, shows the "chemistry" of light



Second, shows how it relates to the propagation of matter



Third, shows how it relates to perception

a reply to: Compendium

Very...very intriguing take. This gave me a lot to think about. I took the liberty to stalk your threads quickly;

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Another intrigue and good conversation to start off. I study etymology frequently, I never put together Torah and Taurus. Torah and Tarot, yes, but not the former.

I'll need to dive deeper into your comment and break it apart to appreciate it more and let the words settle. In regards to the "propagation of matter", you can clearly see Pythagoras' theorem at work in the sacred geometry.

I wish I could give you more than one star

originally posted by: HilterDayon
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Where does the inner light come from? What is its source. I mean the light that illuminates the dreamscape. If all light originates and is emitted from physical sources and is dependent on physical eyes for reception, then what is the origin of the inner light? Is the brain able to create light? If so, we return to your question: what is light? Can physical light be memorised and reimagined by the brain?

Sorry only more questions rather than an answer.

originally posted by: JimmyNeutr0n

Oh please, more questions rather than answers is what I desire!!

Thank you for your input. This is where the conversation gets murky unfortunately, because beyond this, we get into a deeper conversation (perhaps) as to what "God" is.

In my best answer, inner light might be the Monad? I include a question mark because I can't go further beyond this point as its beyond my comprehension and intellect.

Hey Jimmy.

Well I kind of assumed that defining inner light was where you were heading with your O.P. I mean seeing that this forum is the Conspiracies In Religion domain. You began by defining the source of light and then how light is processed and interpreted by the eyes and asked: "not what light does, but what it actually is."

I don't think that my questions make the conversation murky - that would mean that light is being defused somehow. We say that we "bring light" to a matter in order to clarify it. Also I have not intended to discuss the existence or non-existence of God or a god. I am also interested in defining what light is and its various sources and origins.

We know that light is created naturally by stars and artificially by man-made light sources. I mentioned dreaming as another source of light. The eyes are also involved in this process, but not as receptors of external light sources. The R.E.M. indicates that the eyes are observing inner light illuminating an inner landscape. This is a relevant factor to consider in defining what light actually is. Especially in a religious or spiritual context. When I say religious it does not necessarily imply a personal God as Buddhism is defined as a religion.

Experiments such as John C Lilly's sensory deprivation tank experiences (The Centre of the Cyclone) and also the N.D.E. of a young mother who underwent an intensive procedure to remove a deadly brain aneurysm, during which she was rendered completely lifeless for over an hour. When the woman awakened, she reported an out-of-body experience during her surgery which allowed her to detail many of the goings-on in the operating room with stunning accuracy. How was this possible when her eyelids were sealed shut and she harbored zero brain activity throughout the duration of her procedure?

topdocumentaryfilms.com...

One could argue that these topics do not concern understanding and defining what light is or isn't and are easily interpreted for answering a different question, which is: "is there life after death?" (of the physical body). But the elusive component of the experience actually is 'Light'. So one definition I would like to suggest is that light is elusive. Wherever there is light, the light is considered a facilitator of defining objectivity rather than being itself a subject of objectivity. The same could be said of consciousness. Not much can be said about consciousness itself as consciousness is used as a means to define objects.

So, my question again is, through a negative approach, if physical light is the only light that exists, how does the brain create light? Is light something that can be created through imagination?

There are creatures I know such as fireflies and angler fish of the deepest darkest seas that are able to create light through some chemical means. In Australia it is said: "Beer is beer". So can it be said; "Light is light"?

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Thanks Jimmy,

We seem to be on very similar paths

I left a response for you on your Kabbalah thread as well, which you may find helpful. Not sure if you saw it or not

Keep up the good work

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

You did a lot of bouncing around there, but I see your point. At this stage:

In closing, I want to wrap this up by saying... External forces is what makes "us". Radio waves are received in all its forms (hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting, feeling) to your brain, which make up our reality. Bombarding our perceptions with falsity's creates our reality.

I have to step in & point out that this is not the truth of reality at all (as in, you are saying that religious thought is errant because somehow it all comes about through false perception, through misinterpretation of the illusions which Luciferians love to mess around with. You'd be wrong. Yes, those Luciferians certainly mess with people through the illusions of perception - but religion, true religion, actually teaches us to withdraw from all stimuli, from all distraction, away from our duties, our jobs, our friends & our partner, our children even, and instead to withdraw completely into the stillness, into the silence - and from that place of quiet reflection, God may be found..

It is the very reason for the central meditative command in the Old Testament:

.“Be still, and know that I am God!
I will be honored by every nation.
I will be honored throughout the world.”

Psalm 46: 10

God is separate from & situated above/ removed from the world, in the highest sense, and on realisation of who God is & what His heart towards each of us individually actually is, we will honour God with our loyalty & thanksgiving, as well as a heart of wonder towards the miracles of His power, of the Creation, the mysteries which remain for us to uncover - we praise, because it is in human nature to do so, just think of the worship a rock band or popular DJ can cultivate for themselves onstage.. When we are aligned with Him, subject to Him, receiving from Him, then we are properly situated in our correct place within the created order.

But we cannot draw near until we eschew the distractions & frivolities of the world, seeking Him in total isolation & deep, meditative prayer/supplication.


We see the prophet Elijah, for example, being shown that God is in the silence - He is not to be found (in the truest sense) in the whirlwind, the earthquake, the fire. God is found WITHIN, when one closes off the outside world, when one is still, silent before Him, away from the earthquake, away from the thunder & lightning which overwhelm our senses & flood us with distraction:

“Go out and stand before me on the mountain,” the Lord told him. And as Elijah stood there, the Lord passed by, and a mighty windstorm hit the mountain. It was such a terrible blast that the rocks were torn loose, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. And after the earthquake there was a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire there was the sound of a gentle whisper. When Elijah heard it, he wrapped his face in his cloak and went out and stood at the entrance of the cave.

And a voice said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?”

1 Kings 19:11-13

We also have Jesus exhorting us to lock ourselves away from all stimuli when it comes time to pray - to literally lock ourselves in a closet, and focus only on that command - to be still before God, why, in order to receive Truth from Him, even a reward for our diligence.

But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.

Matthew 6: 6

So I think you have it completely topsy-turvy, to be quite honest. You are snatching tiny facets of scientific interpretation, half-understood states of disorder evident in this world, and you're basically trying to fashion an edifice on which to hang the majesty of the Creator, except you want to hold Him up as an object of scorn, as being an irrelevance or a misinterpretation of Reality. Your edifice is nothing more than a scrawny twig stuck into the ground, and you have not even the first inkling of a comprehension of the God above all things. But still, you're trying to push Him down into the dirt, as though your own scrawny wisdom is somehow superior to that which hung the stars in the Cosmos, which established the abundance & beauty of the Earth, which planted eternity in the heart of Man. You need to throw away all these misconceptions & choose humility before the Majesty, seek Him in the silence, be diligent, He answers those who earnestly & sincerely seek Him out.

Cheers,


FITO.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n
I have to step in & point out that this is not the truth of reality at all (as in, you are saying that religious thought is errant because somehow it all comes about through false perception, through misinterpretation of the illusions which Luciferians love to mess around with. You'd be wrong. Yes, those Luciferians certainly mess with people through the illusions of perception - but religion, true religion, actually teaches us to withdraw from all stimuli, from all distraction, away from our duties, our jobs, our friends & our partner, our children even, and instead to withdraw completely into the stillness, into the silence - and from that place of quiet reflection, God may be found..

Well, this is what I essentially attempt to get across in my rants. The point of most of my conversations is to "ascend". That we can look "past" the material realm of falsity and ascend to the spiritual *aeon by overcoming the manipulation and "chatter" of the material world, that wants to keep us here and imprison our "souls".

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n
God is separate from & situated above/ removed from the world, in the highest sense, and on realisation of who God is & what His heart towards each of us individually actually is, we will honour God with our loyalty & thanksgiving, as well as a heart of wonder towards the miracles of His power, of the Creation, the mysteries which remain for us to uncover - we praise, because it is in human nature to do so, just think of the worship a rock band or popular DJ can cultivate for themselves onstage.. When we are aligned with Him, subject to Him, receiving from Him, then we are properly situated in our correct place within the created order.

It's amazing when I think of the "thought" of "God". I try to give "It" the most respect by not calling "It" a God, or "Him", but I understand for intensive purposes of language. It would be like trying to explain another dimension above our own, where would you even begin to conceptualize? It's riveting and truly remarkable to even fathom the though of "God" if you're not falling to human fallacy and believing he's a bearded man living in the sky. "He" isn't merely "everything", as nothing contains or owns "Him".

But we cannot draw near until we eschew the distractions & frivolities of the world, seeking Him in total isolation & deep, meditative prayer/supplication.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n
We see the prophet Elijah, for example, being shown that God is in the silence - He is not to be found (in the truest sense) in the whirlwind, the earthquake, the fire. God is found WITHIN, when one closes off the outside world, when one is still, silent before Him, away from the earthquake, away from the thunder & lightning which overwhelm our senses & flood us with distraction:

“Go out and stand before me on the mountain,” the Lord told him. And as Elijah stood there, the Lord passed by, and a mighty windstorm hit the mountain. It was such a terrible blast that the rocks were torn loose, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. And after the earthquake there was a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire there was the sound of a gentle whisper. When Elijah heard it, he wrapped his face in his cloak and went out and stood at the entrance of the cave.

And a voice said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?”

1 Kings 19:11-13

The story of Enoch is great in my opinion when you dive deeper into it, understanding that "Enoch" didn't nessicarily "walk with" God, he ascended spiritually. At least, that's my take from the Enoch books.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n
We also have Jesus exhorting us to lock ourselves away from all stimuli when it comes time to pray - to literally lock ourselves in a closet, and focus only on that command - to be still before God, why, in order to receive Truth from Him, even a reward for our diligence.

But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.

Matthew 6: 6

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0nSo I think you have it completely topsy-turvy, to be quite honest. You are snatching tiny facets of scientific interpretation, half-understood states of disorder evident in this world, and you're basically trying to fashion an edifice on which to hang the majesty of the Creator, except you want to hold Him up as an object of scorn, as being an irrelevance or a misinterpretation of Reality. Your edifice is nothing more than a scrawny twig stuck into the ground, and you have not even the first inkling of a comprehension of the God above all things. But still, you're trying to push Him down into the dirt, as though your own scrawny wisdom is somehow superior to that which hung the stars in the Cosmos, which established the abundance & beauty of the Earth, which planted eternity in the heart of Man. You need to throw away all these misconceptions & choose humility before the Majesty, seek Him in the silence, be diligent, He answers those who earnestly & sincerely seek Him out.

Cheers,


FITO.

Understandable, I'm not here to make any claims, my entire goal of creating this *and all my other threads* is to engage in conversation, read what other people know, do my own research and learn.

But if I have anything topsy-turny, please please please by all means say so and don't hold back. I honestly enjoy the conversation and take FULL advantage of any situation where I can learn something. I say this frequently, I wish nothing more than to be able* to interview 7 billion peoples life story.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

You did a lot of bouncing around there, but I see your point.

I self diagnosed myself with ADD. Doc tried giving me riddlin as a kid (12 years old), thank God I had a drug addict brother who said no way Jose. My mind works in mysterious ways and for the most part, I have what I want to say in my mind, but sometimes I just find it hard to translate it to a page. It gets aggravating, trust me

originally posted by: Compendium
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Thanks Jimmy,

We seem to be on very similar paths

I left a response for you on your Kabbalah thread as well, which you may find helpful. Not sure if you saw it or not

Keep up the good work

Thank you, I appreciate your comment on that thread and look forward to giving it a good read. My Kabbalah thread is very, very rudimentary. I posted it in the hope it would become more of a collaborative thread (as I intend all my threads to be) where people can include, correct and talk about what Kabbalah is (to them, at least).

My understanding of Light is as the underlying all encompassing principle, the Light of Awareness.

Now anything else—such as māyā [‘the power of illusion’], prakṛti [‘primordial materiality’], and so on—could not be the cause of any object or aspect of reality because anything separate from the Light of Awareness (cit-prakāśa) would be [by definition] unperceivable (aprakāśa), and therefore cannot be said to exist. On the other hand, if it is something manifest to perception (prakāśamāna), for that very reason, it is inseparable from, and of one nature with, the Light of Manifestation (prakāśa); and the nature of this light is simply Awareness (cit). So Awareness alone, and nothing else, [must be considered] the cause [of anything that appears].

This is the view of non-dual realism, best described in modern times by the Trika and Dzogchen traditions.

All that exists, throughout all time and beyond, is one infinite divine Consciousness, free and blissful, which projects within the field of its awareness a vast multiplicity of apparently differentiated subjects and objects: each object an actualization of a timeless potentiality inherent in the Light of Consciousness, and each subject, you and I, the same plus a contracted locus of self-awareness. This creation, a divine play, is the result of the natural impulse within Consciousness to express the totality of its self-knowledge in action, an impulse arising from love.

The more advanced thinkers in Quatum Physics have come to basically the same conclusion, I think it's quite surprising how similar the descriptions are, the former being based off a 1000yr old text.

Nonlocal realism is closely related to the view espoused by Erwin Schrödinger that the overall number of minds within the universe is just one. He went further by suggesting that mind has erected the physical outside world out of its own mental stuff. The interconnected universal consciousness implied by the concept of one mind constitutes the nonlocal, singular implicit reality of a universal consciousness that has embedded within itself the local and explicit conscious mind of each individual.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Our beliefs, especially those of self, are much like dreams limiting our perception and enforcing a sense of contracted separation, this is the state TPTB manipulate and reinforce, yet even that nightmare can but only exist as one with all... still, it's time for a better dream.

Anyway, like your thread and best of luck with it all