Intercepted audio reveals disturbing talk between Russian soldiers

originally posted by: frogs453
The man and his wife have been identified.

The guy who called his wife and received the "clearance" to rape Ukrainian women is Roman Bykovsky. Born in Orel, served in National Guard troops, famous Dzerzhinsky Division. Then signed a contract with 108th Air Assault Regiment, based in Novorossiysk.

I called both of them, they confirmed their names, voices match with those on the tapped conversation. Hope Roman didn’t have much time to realize "permission" granted by his wife. She told me he’s recovering from the wounds in Sevastopol hospital.

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Skeptic hat on. How do we know he tracked the guy down? How do we know that the name didn't come from papers on a dead soldier? How do we know the phone call he made isn't BS or another staged call using the same people used in the first one?

If you think Ukraine are not running psyops then here is a thread to just a few confirmed ones.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: ExiledSpirit777

Does not supporting Ukraine equal supporting russia?

Its hard to rationalize that you can be against Ukraine, but not also think Russia is doing a good thing since your people (and I mean people with your mindset) probably believes in this "Nazi Ukraine" trope.

Are you denying nazis in Ukraine too?

Or are you simply marginalizing them so you can try and justify your position?

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: ExiledSpirit777

Does not supporting Ukraine equal supporting russia?

Its hard to rationalize that you can be against Ukraine, but not also think Russia is doing a good thing since your people (and I mean people with your mindset) probably believes in this "Nazi Ukraine" trope.

Are you denying nazis in Ukraine too?

Or are you simply marginalizing them so you can try and justify your position?

I am denying Ukraine warranted this and its people being massacred is not warranted. We have as much of a nazi problem as Ukraine does. Every big country even has a droplet of nazis somewhere. Welcome to the world. Its full of mental illness.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: ExiledSpirit777

You certainly have the wests talking points down.


And we all know the wests media is the pinnacle of truth, honesty and integrity.

You cant be a real person who thinks like that? These videos were not doctored. Not fake. These reports with video evidence and audio evidence are not fake. I cant understand how people think like you do. Its not "because we are free thinkers" because you are refusing whats right in front of you. It's got to be something else.

Not only am I real, ive been here much longer and contrubuted much more than you.

You listed the MSM talking points verbatim and you want to argue over integrity?

Being here a long time has sweet f all to do with being right..you must agree with that

I dont disagree. However if someone wants to argue credibility and integrity, its gonna come up.

Same is true surrounding the topic. If one wished to bring morality into the argument, im going to bring up nazis within Ukraines govt.

I dont support either side in this war. The cost has been civilian lives and regular peoples livelyhoods.

Do you honestly think there are less natsees in Russia?

a reply to: ExiledSpirit777

Then you can show me nazis in power and a military unit comprised of them, yes?

Welcome to the world. Its full of mental illness.

Oh, you are making that painfully obvious.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: ExiledSpirit777

You certainly have the wests talking points down.


And we all know the wests media is the pinnacle of truth, honesty and integrity.

You cant be a real person who thinks like that? These videos were not doctored. Not fake. These reports with video evidence and audio evidence are not fake. I cant understand how people think like you do. Its not "because we are free thinkers" because you are refusing whats right in front of you. It's got to be something else.

Not only am I real, ive been here much longer and contrubuted much more than you.

You listed the MSM talking points verbatim and you want to argue over integrity?

Being here a long time has sweet f all to do with being right..you must agree with that

I dont disagree. However if someone wants to argue credibility and integrity, its gonna come up.

Same is true surrounding the topic. If one wished to bring morality into the argument, im going to bring up nazis within Ukraines govt.

I dont support either side in this war. The cost has been civilian lives and regular peoples livelyhoods.

Do you honestly think there are less natsees in Russia?

Im sure i could do much better actually. However, im not choosing sides.

See the problem with the morality argument yet?

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: ExiledSpirit777

You certainly have the wests talking points down.


And we all know the wests media is the pinnacle of truth, honesty and integrity.

You cant be a real person who thinks like that? These videos were not doctored. Not fake. These reports with video evidence and audio evidence are not fake. I cant understand how people think like you do. Its not "because we are free thinkers" because you are refusing whats right in front of you. It's got to be something else.

Not only am I real, ive been here much longer and contrubuted much more than you.

You listed the MSM talking points verbatim and you want to argue over integrity?

Being here a long time has sweet f all to do with being right..you must agree with that

I dont disagree. However if someone wants to argue credibility and integrity, its gonna come up.

Same is true surrounding the topic. If one wished to bring morality into the argument, im going to bring up nazis within Ukraines govt.

I dont support either side in this war. The cost has been civilian lives and regular peoples livelyhoods.

Do you honestly think there are less natsees in Russia?

Im sure i could do much better actually. However, im not choosing sides.

See the problem with the morality argument yet?

I don't support anything per se, I support invaders leaving..thats about it.

ETA..I get the vibe from many, of..I don't support Russia, but they then imply Russia is righteous. I'm not suggesting anyone is righteous, but as a simple default, I'm not happy with invaders.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: ExiledSpirit777

Then you can show me nazis in power and a military unit comprised of them, yes?

Welcome to the world. Its full of mental illness.

Oh, you are making that painfully obvious.

It's cute you think im some dimwit with some mental illness because I claimed Russia is in the wrong, doing war crimes, say nazi's are just about everywhere in the world in small or big groups. Cute. You dont posess the mind I consider somebody I care to discourse with. We work in different ways as I've seen and think in our own ways. This place is a maze for psychology students like myself. Every corner you see something that makes you go "what in the". Stay safe.

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a reply to: ExiledSpirit777

It's cute you think im some dimwit with some mental illness 

Your words, not mine.

Cute. You dont posess the mind I consider somebody I care to discourse with.

And yet, here you are.

This place is a maze for psychology students like myself. 

Good. So when I say youre displaying textbook projection and gaslighting, I shouldnt have to spell it out

Now, back to your support of nazis. Can you show me anywhere outside of Ukraine where they have positions in govt and a military arm?

a reply to: vonclod

I can agree to that. Im also happy to discuss how it got this far and how far it may go.

Happy to discuss what can be done to mitigate and cease civilian casualties.

Want to invoke an argument? Tell me one side has the moral highground. Tell me one side is more just.

Or, as the case now, tell me im a putin supporter because im not behind Ukraine.

Those Ill argue on.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: ExiledSpirit777

It's cute you think im some dimwit with some mental illness 

Your words, not mine.

Cute. You dont posess the mind I consider somebody I care to discourse with.

And yet, here you are.

This place is a maze for psychology students like myself. 

Good. So when I say youre displaying textbook projection and gaslighting, I shouldnt have to spell it out

Now, back to your support of nazis. Can you show me anywhere outside of Ukraine where they have positions in govt and a military arm?

Oh god you did it to me again. The first quote. It isnt obvious when you said and i quote "Oh, you are making that painfully obvious." ....Hello?

Gaslighting would be making you believe something isnt true and that you are crazy. I have states nothing but the truth, as hard as it may be to accept. Is what it is.

Gaslighting is you telling me I support nazis. Ironic, aint it. The same thing you tell me I did. I told you exactly what I dont support when it comes to Russia vs Ukraine (more like Russia vs the world at this point). Up to you to process that.

a reply to: Grimpachi


Could be. I'm sure the people in the photos and names used will come forward if it's not them. Hard to say, the identified baby rapist was noted to be arrested in Russia by the Russian media and he was outed online as well. Just wait and see I suppose is the only thing to do.

a reply to: ExiledSpirit777

Oh god you did it to me again. The first quote. It isnt obvious when you said and i quote "Oh, you are making that painfully obvious." ....Hello?

If it walks like a duck....

Gaslighting would be making you believe something isnt true and that you are crazy. I have states nothing but the truth, as hard as it may be to accept. Is what it is.

Like nazis that hold power in Ukraine?

Gaslighting is you telling me I support nazis. Ironic, aint it. The same thing you tell me I did.

Are these your words?

Its us vs you. Enjoy being on the losing side. 8)

 people being massacred is not warranted. We have as much of a nazi problem as Ukraine does.

a reply to: frogs453

If they come forward assuming he wasn't a corpse to begin with do you think Western Media would report it?

How long did it take for them to acknowledge videos posted of UA kneecapping POWs? Do you think they would have even reported that if a German journalist located on the other side of the line hadn't reported it first? That same journalist is on a terrorist kill list in Ukraine.

Her terroristic crimes are reporting things they don't want reported.

a reply to: JinMI

I can agree to that. Im also happy to discuss how it got this far and how far it may go.

The reality is, it's been going on for centuries, not a simple answer, or single event, this is long brewing stuff..typically, with Russia being aggressor, then occupier, and so on. There are lots of Russian decent there because of this. I don't know how far it will go, but more than once now, Putin has threatened nuclear options..no f@cking way, does have high moral ground.

Happy to discuss what can be done to mitigate and cease civilian casualties.

A Russian withdraw is about all I can see, no way in hell do I want escalation, via outside sources.

Want to invoke an argument? Tell me one side has the moral highground. Tell me one side is more just.

Putin threatened the world with nukes..this does not put him high on my.."people with moral high ground" list..just saying.

Or, as the case now, tell me im a putin supporter because im not behind Ukraine.



Those Ill argue on.

I dunno, I never said you were a Putin supporter, but you are kind of excusing him..no?

Im of the opinion, maybe no one has high moral ground, but Russia's moral grounding, has dipped into the negative.

a reply to: vonclod

The reality is, it's been going on for centuries, not a simple answer, or single event, this is long brewing stuff..typically, with Russia being aggressor, then occupier, and so on. There are lots of Russian decent there because of this. I don't know how far it will go, but more than once now, Putin has threatened nuclear options..no f@cking way, does have high moral ground.

You could say the same of NATO and the US. Putin likely sees something similar. The difference being, we dont keep the land but instead opt for puppet govts....like Ukraine.

A Russian withdraw is about all I can see, no way in hell do I want escalation, via outside sources.

Agreed. How do we convince him of that? Its going to come at some price.

Putin threatened the world with nukes..this does not put him high on my.."people with moral high ground" list..just saying.

Ive already ceded that i could likely provide proof of putin being more maliciouse that nazis. My whole point was that there is no moral high ground even before the invasion.

a reply to: vonclod

I dunno, I never said you were a Putin supporter, but you are kind of excusing him..no?

Excusing? No

Trying my best to be honest with the facts as I understand them? Absolutely.

Fact is, putin invaded ukraine but he didnt do it because to was a boring february. Getting him out is the best possible scenario.

Another fact. Ukraine cant achieve that alone and they arent.

a reply to: JinMI

You could say the same of NATO and the US. Putin likely sees something similar. The difference being, we dont keep the land but instead opt for puppet govts....like Ukraine.

The way of the world unfortunately, between the worlds power brokers. So, I can agree with your sentiment. Still, if I don't like my new neighbour, and think he is going to be a problem, I can't just go take over his house. Maybe not a great analogy, but good enough.

Agreed. How do we convince him of that? Its going to come at some price.

Man, I just don't know, I'm not sure what gets him to the peace table, I tend to think he just wants it, and not really interested in peace, that doesn't involve occupation. I think whatever happens, has to, from within his circle.

I find it hard to count on much info from either side, so who really knows what is going in, in terms of resolving it.

Ive already ceded that i could likely provide proof of putin being more maliciouse that nazis. My whole point was that there is no moral high ground even before the invasion.

Thats fair enough!

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: vonclod

I dunno, I never said you were a Putin supporter, but you are kind of excusing him..no?

Excusing? No

Trying my best to be honest with the facts as I understand them? Absolutely.

Fact is, putin invaded ukraine but he didnt do it because to was a boring february. Getting him out is the best possible scenario.

Another fact. Ukraine cant achieve that alone and they arent.

Fair enough! I agree pretty much. But his motivations are unclear to me, and I believe they are key to solving it. I've heard pipelines, minerals, natsees, biolabs, nato, former holdings..probably missing a few here..