Proof of Russia forcing civilians to lie

originally posted by: Cutepants

Well that's what I explained very clearly in my last post. So we are in agreement?

"Foreign minister Sergey Lavrov admitted to the attack, speaking to UN Security Council the day after, while Russia's ambassador to the Netherlands for example claimed that the whole thing was fake. So they've been trying out different lies to see what sticks." - www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you now abandon your previous opinion that Lavrov's words somehow contradicted the words of the Russian ambassador to the Netherlands, then I am in complete agreement with you.

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: Boadicea

I have yet to see an honest post yet from this user about this topic at least. If you do go through the effort to spin them on their dishonesty and they run out of ring around the roesy they will just hide for a bit then ignore it and continue on. Just know others can see it for what it is too...

I guess I'm glad it's not just me... misery loves company, eh?

I did want to give it an honest try though, to understand what/why someone sees "proof" where I do not. I always think about the lurkers as well, and especially those who have the same doubts and questions, so I figured it was worth trying to flesh it out.

But as always, everyone's words will have to stand on their merit. And everyone else can make of it what they will.

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: Boadicea

I have yet to see an honest post yet from this user about this topic at least. If you do go through the effort to spin them on their dishonesty and they run out of ring around the roesy they will just hide for a bit then ignore it and continue on. Just know others can see it for what it is too...

Its something youd expect during election season.

Many posters have noticed and uptick in the strange influx.

A very odd thing, i mean seeking out a conspiracy forum only to regurgitate the narrative....

Seems rather counterproductive on a many levels.

a reply to: RickyD

Which post are you talking about? I might missed it or forgotten about it, I'll reply if you show me what it was.

a reply to: Boadicea

Thats why I do it sometimes too...it gets tiring especially when I have other things going on. But I know a whole lote more people read the threads here as opposed to being memebers or contributers. Just a lot of effort to bother combing through sources and picking out all the lies they tell them proofing them like a geometry problem. Whats more is they know it and its way they keep going and will always just ignore it for a while then come right back and keep going. They know we don't actually want to or have the time to keep exposing them. ATS really should be doing something about it but I think we are stuck with the media propaganda and shill posters for good.

originally posted by: turretless
'If you now abandon your previous opinion that Lavrov's words somehow contradicted the words of the Russian ambassador to the Netherlands, then I am in complete agreement with you.

But I'm sure you know I can't do that. How could the attack be both fake and not fake at the same time?

a reply to: Cutepants

No you didn't...

How bout the example right here in this thread. Go back a page and tell me thats not you saying exactly what your denied.

a reply to: Cutepants

Who claimed that there was an attack (except you)?

a reply to: RickyD

You said you posted something that I should have replied to, but I didn't. So where is that post you made?

a reply to: turretless

Pretty much everyone admits there was an attack. Or are you saying they dug a hole with shovels or something, to make it look like a crater?

a reply to: Cutepants

On second thought...I don't care to ring around the roesy again within you. I am going to go have a beer my second leg of my flight got canceled and my gibe a f#*&s are spent.

a reply to: RickyD

I can't read your mind, I'm sorry. Feels like I really hit a nerve with this thread, never had people get so upset before on this site.

originally posted by: Cutepants

Pretty much everyone admits there was an attack. Or are you saying they dug a hole with shovels or something, to make it look like a crater?

You asked: Am I in agreement with you?

I would rather be in agreement with logic, facts and truth than be in agreement with you.

Excuse me, please.

a reply to: turretless

You are excused

originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: Cutepants

WHEW! Good thing western government (like the USA) never propagandize, never lie to their people or force people to lie.

Must be terrible living under such a regime.

Is that a "whataboutism" ??

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: incoserv

I don't see the point in fighting over who is the most oppressed. Does it make it better for Russians if some other regime is bad?

I wasn't "fighting over who is the most oppressed," just pointing out that this is nothing new. We've seen it in the west at least for decades as well. It's the way so governments work.

Somebody else said that "this" was psychopathic, as though it's a new level is evil never before seen. But as the wise man said; There is no new thing under the sun.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: Cutepants

WHEW! Good thing western government (like the USA) never propagandize, never lie to their people or force people to lie.

Must be terrible living under such a regime.

Is that a "whataboutism" ??

No. It's a sarcastic reply.

a reply to: Cutepants

I think you have that backwards.. she's not working for Russia she is working for Ukraine. She was just on American television earlier today biching how she has to find a new job in Poland to feed her 3 kids, meanwhile living in the lap of luxury where as her "neighbors" lived in squaller with 6 people to an 8x8 room. (Her 1. Room is/was larger then an average 3 bedroom house.. which she was solo with her kids on.)

Why do people always flip the narrative.

I just made a referring post on that chick not to long ago.

P.s she's also a news anchor. Which actually became noticible today when they did an oopsy this morning and had her glam up just like the second picture before reporting on "more Ukraine news".

She probably goes by more then 1 name as well.

Usually they try desperately to avoid the same makeup/style and lighting. But at this point she just laughed in your face if you believed that crap. Cause she's safe and sound in Poland.. no wait the U.S.

a reply to: Cutepants

At PRESENT , as an Astute AMERICAN , the Lesser of the Two Evils Between The Russian REPUBLIC and the Ukrainian DICTATORSHIP is the Russian REPUBLIC , Duh > ?

a reply to: Cutepants

Pregnant women getting killed is a well-used propaganda tool, It was the hun bayoneting them back in the day. Here are a few WW1 posters.

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