I Hate...That I Can't Believe What I Hear About Ukraine.

a reply to: just4fun

Techno Fog has a balanced assessment of the maternity hospital "attack"...
technofog.substack.com...

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: just4fun

Techno Fog has a balanced assessment of the maternity hospital "attack"...
technofog.substack.com...

Great read. Im just so tired of being lied to .

originally posted by: just4fun

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: just4fun

Techno Fog has a balanced assessment of the maternity hospital "attack"...
technofog.substack.com...

Great read. Im just so tired of being lied to .

You are not alone.
At this point, each new lie, exponentially weakens their influence over us.

a reply to: Namor

It appears this thread may have reached the end of its natural lifespan...and your content, in my opinion, has greatly enriched it.

I hope you will now consider starting a thread of your own so that what you offer will be available to many additional members.

It's been a long time since a new poster has brought so much new, unique and salient information to the table...and I'm glad you chose this thread to make your debut.

a reply to: IAMTAT

My take is that this is a scam. A staged show to get people to believe there's a new Cold War on the verge of World War 2.5. We have an enemy... the russians and China and we allow our governments to pour trillions of dollars into anti cyber warfare and to spy on each other. While our governments actually spy on us and we're forced to endure food shortages, sky high cost of living increases and don't turn on them for the insane vaccination program that has poisoned millions of people. Putin's in on it and acting along as the bad guy with China. The NWO WEF pretend to be the good guys but they're the worst of them all.
Or maybe these is a rift and Putin isn't working with them. Then as bad as he is, Putin is the lesser of two evils. Its sad that people are dying in Ukraine due to corrupt governments on both sides, americans are just as vulnerable here to their mad schemes of world domination. Either way, after being lied to about Covid and the vaxx and with so many conspiracy theories becoming reality, I say # both sides and will actively oppose any involvement in this dog and pony show. I now wait to see what our side will do to frame Putin for chemical or biological attacks. I think we DO have those labs in the Ukraine. We're dirty and Biden should be held accountable.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Namor

It appears this thread may have reached the end of its natural lifespan...and your content, in my opinion, has greatly enriched it.

I hope you will now consider starting a thread of your own so that what you offer will be available to many additional members.

It's been a long time since a new poster has brought so much new, unique and salient information to the table...and I'm glad you chose this thread to make your debut.

thank you. I'm glad I didn't make a mistake by writing here. I think that by that time this topic will already be created. And I'm just going to attend it with you. The moment you see what I was talking about, what you asked for an answer to, I will also appear here and continue the dialogue. I'm not afraid, understand. I don't want to break the law of life, not those who play with you. When I see that you see the picture more, I will help you not to stay in your thoughts and move on. Thank you for the pleasant communication and warm welcome. You are very smart people, I feel it. So then it will be easier for me.

Hello, thanks for this post. i had to make my own little copy of it in a page im starting to write for my friends in counter strike because they are a bit ignorant, in my opinion.
This is what I wrote to them.

www.abovetopsecret.com... - white supremacists / neo nazy militant groups in ukraine
deadline.com... - confirmed us funding bio labs in china
www.opindia.com... - how many labs us fund
www.youtube.com... - main stream media talking about the ukraine labs and how the us is funding them.
i dont even have any information about money laundering and stuff cause i mean thats basic stuff everyone does. but yea ukraines dirty and it seems to me more and more europeans are racist and bias towards russia.
en.wikipedia.org... - mk ultra, was denied by the government, only to have documents revealed 30 years later which proved they did infact lie to the people who questioned them. which shows that the truth will be denied when it is CURRENTLY HAPPENING.
i could go on, the point is that, when im trying to have civil conversations with you, be civil
i have no time for the responses youve given me
if you dont show me some respect and apologize for the way you talked to me i have no need for such afriend.

www.aljazeera.com...
aLJAZEERA CLAIMING RUSSIA BOMBING MOSQUE WITH RUKISH PPL INSIDE - ALZAEERA LIARS

www.dailysabah.com...
TURKEY CLAIMING ITS EVACUATING THE MOST WHERE NOONE WAS HURT OR BOMBED

What do you think?

a reply to: IAMTAT

Go to Ukraine and see the truth for yourself

a reply to: BeenieWeenie

I actually believe most of what we are getting is the truth, most of what the Russians are saying is lies BUT I still don't trust our media or anything that comes out of a politicians mouth any more than I would if it was coming out of a pig's arse.

a reply to: LABTECH767

So just talk to people who have their feet on the ground in Ukraine right now

a reply to: BeenieWeenie

It's enough to know that we have lads that have gone Awol and ran over to the Ukraine to fight the Russians I believe it.

But I also know for a fact there ARE neo Nazi scum bag's there but they are a minority and definitely not the majority, they are however a very dangerous element even to Ukraine's own democracy.

And it is worth noting that there are also a hell of a lot of Neo Nazi's in Russia as well.

And in Ukraine's favour a Jewish president and large Jewish population many of them are fighting on the front lines there as well.

Apparently some Ex Mossad guys that were possibly of Ukrainian Yiddish origin and still have family there have been rumoured to have also returned to fight the Russians there.

I will tell you with no feet on the ground I feel the war may very well extend far beyond the Ukraine before too long and when it does it will be World War 3, Putin is crazy he has the hypersonic missiles and Tsunami Torpedo's both of which are FIRST STRIKE weapon's, he is not playing and it is time our governments woke up and realized that.

The problem is that Ukraine NEEDS special forces help and some aerial support, we can NOT provide it without becoming entangled in the war but if the Ukraine somehow GOT that without us being involved (of course mum's the word) then the Ukrainians have shown they are determined and are not going to just roll over so such support would actually turn the war completely in there favour but then you have to factor in the possibility of Putin ordering a nuclear strike on the Capital city of the Ukraine or some other atrocity.

a reply to: LABTECH767
You will not be shown what the Russians say. Since the Russians were forbidden in the media to condemn the government and say the word - war. For publications in which people are against it, they face real criminal punishment. Prison term. Many who wrote the truth were already in prison, the rest fled the country. The law officially came into force last month. Russia, like America, like Ukraine, has an insidious and cruel ruler who follows the instructions. It is a pity that people do not understand that hostility against each other, they themselves make this war. They (the rulers) only lit a match for you, it will be you who will throw firewood into the fire. I'll give you some advice. Distinguish between the concepts of the government of Russia and the people of Russia. It's not the same thing, believe me. Russia is not happy with America, for all its attempts to capture, promote drugs, alcohol, artificial food. But this hatred is not for her people, but for her government. Because Russia (its people) remembers enemies and protects friends.

a reply to: Namor

I saw that the people would not answer on a camera for fear of the repercussion's though a few did speak there mind's, the RUSSIANS are completely innocent but Putin and his government are guilty of this and also likely of rigging Russians own elections as well.

Basically Mafia in charge of there country but they have to live and life is already hard enough for them so my heart does go out to them as well.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Namor

I saw that the people would not answer on a camera for fear of the repercussion's though a few did speak there mind's, the RUSSIANS are completely innocent but Putin and his government are guilty of this and also likely of rigging Russians own elections as well.

Basically Mafia in charge of there country but they have to live and life is already hard enough for them so my heart does go out to them as well.

I'll tell you even more, you won't find a Russian from the people who would vote for him. Only those who had no choice (pensioners, teachers, civil servants), but they would not have scored even 20%. All this is a falsification controlled by the army.

a reply to: Dutchowl

Ukraine vs Donetski situation is real and well documented. It started 2014 and escalated till Russia joined. Its going to better now that Donetski people doesnt have to be under shelling anymore. Everything else we can just guess.

originally posted by: AcerM
a reply to: Dutchowl

Ukraine vs Donetski situation is real and well documented. It started 2014 and escalated till Russia joined. Its going to better now that Donetski people doesnt have to be under shelling anymore. Everything else we can just guess.

You sound as if you know a great deal of the Ukraine/Donetski situation.
Can you offer a synopsis?
What happened to start this in 2014?

originally posted by: Namor

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Namor

I saw that the people would not answer on a camera for fear of the repercussion's though a few did speak there mind's, the RUSSIANS are completely innocent but Putin and his government are guilty of this and also likely of rigging Russians own elections as well.

Basically Mafia in charge of there country but they have to live and life is already hard enough for them so my heart does go out to them as well.

I'll tell you even more, you won't find a Russian from the people who would vote for him. Only those who had no choice (pensioners, teachers, civil servants), but they would not have scored even 20%. All this is a falsification controlled by the army.

The document was adopted immediately in the second and third readings. The Chamber voted unanimously on the law: 401 "for", without votes "against" and without abstaining.

"The bill will be sent to the Federation Council immediately," said State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin.

According to him, after the vote in the Federation Council, the law will be put on the president's desk, and "there is a possibility that literally tomorrow its norms of direct action" will come into force.

Punishment for fakes about the military
According to the law, a new Article 207.3 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation on the public dissemination of deliberately false information about the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in order to protect the interests of Russia and its citizens is introduced in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. The maximum penalty under this article is established in the form of imprisonment for a period of 10 to 15 years (in case of serious consequences). In addition, the court will be able to impose a fine of 700 to 1.5 million rubles, correctional labor for up to a year, forced labor for up to three years.

Punishment for discrediting the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
Article 280.3 "Public actions aimed at discrediting the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in order to protect the interests of the Russian Federation and its citizens, maintain international peace and security" also appears in the Code. The minimum penalty for it will be a fine of 100 to 300 thousand rubles, the maximum - imprisonment up to 5 years. The maximum penalty is proposed to be imposed if public actions against the Russian military have led to harm to the health and life of citizens, damage to property, mass riots, the work of civil infrastructure, including communications and transport.


In short, any street protest, any video with an appeal to people, with the words "stop the war. We are against what the president and his army are doing" seems like a prison sentence and a large fine.

a reply to: LABTECH767

I'll tell you how it is. The people of Russia have the worst of all. And then it will be even worse. Because your government, together with our government, are trying to destroy them from all sides. By raising taxes, blaming them for what they didn't do, restricting freedom of speech and opportunities for individual development. But I hasten to tell you that all this is not out of hatred for the people. And this is the sequence of removing obstacles. First the main threat, then all the others. And in this chain, Russia is only at the forefront among the rest. Where you are also there.

You are not a family to your government. You are his resource. Remember this.

originally posted by: Namor
a reply to: LABTECH767

By raising taxes, blaming them for what they didn't do, restricting freedom of speech and opportunities for individual development.

You've described what we're experiencing in the US, as well.
The imbecile and the madman seem to be using the same playbook.

a reply to: LABTECH767

This is an article from the RUSSIAN Forum. In Russia, too, people are trying to somehow influence this and are looking for options. Don't forget, their brothers are dying in Ukraine:

The deputies decided to punish people by putting them in prison for 15 years if they believe that there is a war going on now, and not a "special operation".
2nd of March
1.2 thousand read

From the point of view of Putin, his entire administration, the Ministry of Defense, Roskomnadzor and other subordinate structures, everything that is happening in Ukraine right now is not a war. This word is banned and a kind of censorship has already been introduced in the country. According to the Russian authorities, this is a "special military operation" and nothing more. She has goals and objectives, and when they are achieved, the operation will be smoothly curtailed.


Only the ordinary Russian people do not believe in this specific term, and the ordinary Ukrainian people also do not call everything that is happening a military operation. But the authorities do not recognize this and decided to define criminal liability for "distortion of the purpose, role and tasks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, as well as other formations during special military and other operations." And the term is decent - 15 years in prison.

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The head of the Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, Colonel-General of Justice Vasily Piskarev decided to propose such a harsh and strict punishment for using the word "war" instead of "special military operation". He did not have time to voice this idea at a meeting in the State Duma, as the speaker of the State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin immediately approved it, and the bill itself may be introduced in the near future.


This once again emphasizes that all laws on paper are written exclusively only for the common people, and not for officials, deputies, etc., because in accordance with article 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, any censorship, including political, is prohibited in the country. In the same article, freedom of thought and speech is guaranteed for everyone, which in this situation means precisely freedom of the media and the right of every Russian citizen to seek, receive, transmit, produce and distribute information in any legal way. In addition, the prohibition of censorship is also indicated in the federal law "On Mass Media" Article 3.


And in fact, everything looks like this: the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not provide any specific data on wounded, killed, prisoners of war Russian soldiers; does not provide any data on how many troops are involved in this "military operation"; tells only that missile strikes occur pointwise and only on airfields, military bases and other strategic military facilities. And apparently the Ministry of Defense does not care that all this is confirmed by independent observers or foreign journalists.

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It turns out that there is no specific, official information from our government. People are trying to find information about the ongoing "military operation" by all available means, and the information they find is not always reliable, there are a lot of fakes on the Internet now. Well, if they are, then expose these fakes, give people accurate and truthful information and the misunderstanding will disappear immediately.


Why should people shut their mouths and put them in jail because of just the word "war" and for as much as 15 years?! Yes, for more serious crimes against human life, they give a shorter term of imprisonment! All this is called the introduction of political censorship, and it can only be established when a state of emergency or martial law is declared. And in fact, according to the government, we now have peacetime in the country. It turns out that everything that does not correspond to the point of view of the Ministry of Defense is "a distortion of the purpose, role and tasks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, as well as other formations during special military and other operations," and they immediately give 15 years for this.