I Hate...That I Can't Believe What I Hear About Ukraine.

a reply to: Namor

I understand.
Please post more often.
Your perspective is welcomed.

a reply to: IAMTAT

thank you. I have lived in many cities of my country, and I know a lot of people and their opinions. Their life. And I can say that my point of view is based not only on my thoughts. And I will be glad to share it.

I would like to say a lot to you and many people. But it's not the time yet. Because people are not ready for this. But very soon, you may see me, like others. And if you think about this conversation, you will understand that it is me. I don't aim to help my nation. I want to help people, regardless of their skin color and location.

originally posted by: Namor
a reply to: IAMTAT



I would like to say a lot to you and many people. But it's not the time yet. Because people are not ready for this. But very soon, you may see me, like others. And if you think about this conversation, you will understand that it is me. I don't aim to help my nation. I want to help people, regardless of their skin color and location.

I'm sure your comments have piqued a great deal of interest.
I know my interest certainly is.

Please keep in touch, Namor.

a reply to: IAMTAT

I will be here as much as possible.

originally posted by: coamanach
Looking at regional, national and international news of MSM is like looking at an enormous glob of birds that all turn and go in the same direction at the same time, saying the exact same things, using the exact same words, telling the exact same stories.

Not noticable when reading only your preffered news channel...

Excellent metaphor.

originally posted by: 1947boomer
a reply to: IAMTAT

Congratulations. You've reached the absurd end point--the reductio ad absurdum--of the Conspiracy Theorist world view. Nothing is true and anything is possible. Self-imposed intellectual impotence. The exact opposite of "denying ignorance", unfortunately.

The news media is not the end source of knowledge; nor even the best source; nor even a source at all.
Relying on it for information, in order to lead to knowledge, is even more precarious in our present times, as much of the media info is incorrect, specious, or deliberately manipulated. That much should be obvious.
The rejection of drawing absolutes from such sources of so-called information if the first step to knowledge, which are two different things. Knowledge, not info, is more relevant to the intent of your post.
The so-called "reductio ad absurdum" is a point on the wheel, the loop of knowledge and, even greater, understanding.
To use ancient metaphor, the Fool is the first card in the Tarot journey; point Zero; the beginning. He is thus closer to the transcendence/awareness of the Wheel, which is the last card. The card that comes before it is: Judgement.
If you are not willing to embrace the Fool--often the wisest character in the play--you will remain stuck in the same place.
Only the Fool makes the journey.
Disregard the noise, find the knowledge, transcend it, begin again until you don't.
That's about it, with stuff in between.

Thank you for posting; one thing we don't have enough of here among the din are voices from people actually in the Ukraine and Russian.
Your post is full of wisdom.
Perhaps you could give some insight into what Russian media is saying these days, as it's unfortunately been censored nearly everywhere in the West and many other places. Going back to the OP, it doesn't seem as if the majority of people in Russia are falling for the media narrative, either.
It's clear that the one group that consistently does not want war is the PEOPLE. Of course. And that's the most important thing.
a reply to: Namor

a reply to: RedKaliBlack

I thank you for your understanding. I still can't get through to my friends from Ukraine (not Russians, but Ukrainians) to offer them help and find out what the circumstances are at the moment. One thing I can tell you for sure, many Ukrainians also understand the truth that they are not at war with the Russian people. There is information that this army, on our part, consists mainly of children undergoing compulsory military service (exercises) and conscripted, since the beginning of hostilities fell on their term. And refusal is equated to treason to the motherland, it's easier to say that for refusal they will kill on the spot. I think you understand this trap and the fact that children aged 18-20 are not able to make adult decisions concerning their lives, and they do not have time to think. I do not in any way justify what is happening there, but I cannot condemn them for choosing to live. I intend to verify the accuracy of this information directly from the persons at the center of all this. But at the moment, having seen the prisoners from Russia, I already understand what my friends from Ukraine will answer me. For many years we have been taught that America is our enemy. And we think so. But not the people of America, but its government, because we understand that you, like us, decide little. And it is the same with Ukraine at the moment.

the war is not stopped by people, the war is stopped by the events for which it was organized. At the moment, these are events concerning the economy of your and my country. I can't say more. But you will understand everything in the near future.

a reply to: Namor

George Soros recently stated that there will be World War 3, unless Putin and Xi are removed from power.

Do you agree with George Soros...and do Russian people understand that Soros runs Zelenskyy and Ukraine?
Do the Russian people understand that Soros controls Joe Biden and the American Democrat party?

On the same topic...do the Russian people understand that the majority of the American people despise Soros?

a reply to: RedKaliBlack

The media of each side shows everything in its own light. I will give below one of the articles of our journalists. But you must understand that I cannot guarantee its authenticity, from the word at all.

Kiev's fulfillment of specific requirements may become a condition for the termination of Russia's special military operation in Ukraine. This is written by the Ukrainian edition "Mirror of the Week". It also publishes a list of these requirements, claiming that the information was obtained from "reliable diplomatic sources."

It is noted that in total Moscow allegedly set six conditions to the Ukrainian side, of which five should be enshrined in the country's Constitution.

The first point is the refusal to join NATO and the neutral status of Ukraine. Russia is ready to be the guarantor of its security. The second condition is to give the Russian language the status of the second state language, as well as the abolition of all language restrictions. The third and fourth are the mandatory recognition of the independence of the LPR and the DPR within the borders of the regions, as well as the sovereignty of Russia over the Crimea.

The fifth requirement is denazification and a ban on the activities of ultranationalist, Nazi and neo-Nazi parties and public organizations, the abolition of existing laws on the glorification of Nazis and neo-Nazis. And the sixth is the demilitarization of Ukraine: the complete abandonment of offensive weapons.

It is assumed that it was this list that Ukrainian Minister Dmitry Kuleba took with him in his daddy after talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, which took place on March 10 on the sidelines of the Antalya diplomatic Forum.

a reply to: Namor
Regular Sunday protests against military actions on the territory of Ukraine are taking place in Russia. People gather in groups on the main squares of cities or stand in single pickets. According to OVD-Info (recognized as a foreign agent in Russia), about 700 people have already been detained.

The largest number of detainees was recorded in Moscow — at least 301. The first detentions began on Manezhnaya Square at about 13:20. The security forces called on citizens to leave the place with megaphones "a possible action that was not coordinated with the authorities." The entrance to the square was temporarily blocked, then access to the square was not restricted. The police checked the documents of passers-by, some were immediately detained.

In St. Petersburg, according to human rights activists, at least 142 people were detained. A military band was playing again on the square near Gostiny Dvor. The territory was fenced off with fences, motorbikes and a chain of riot police — the place was practically blocked, the journalists of Novaya Gazeta stated.

By 17:42, at least 663 people were detained in 35 cities.

Updated
According to the GUMVD, about 300 people were detained at an anti-war rally in Moscow. This estimate almost coincides with the estimates of human rights defenders — 352 in the capital. In total, according to OVD-Info, by 18:27 more than 742 people were detained in 37 cities.

There was that ‘blip’ in the news coming from Ukraine (I believe it was) that, this is going to be, quote, a hybrid war, end quote;
This could raise and confirm the spectacle of using the maternity ward, etc. as trigger for a greater war scope. There could also have been sexual abusers in there that were wiped out.. I mean, who knows?

They, the somewhat ‘good guys’ could be going in clandestinely and taking over the biolabs without publishing this bit of the exercise. Kiev is where the bad part of the mRNA gene altering therapy is made.

could, could could.. be..

Who knows?

They could also be taking over the server that hosts all the social media spying operation, which is hosted in Ukraine.

Could be.. who knows?

Russia COULD BE.. or at least a subdivision of it in the military, could be knowingly taking down the WEF/NATO Control Freak scum.. could be... who knows?

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
I guess there's a chance Russia did bomb a hospital full of kids and pregnant women... but they would be pretty damn dumb to do so because it doesn't benefit Russia in any way, and only causes the international community to further isolate Russia, not to mention many Ukrainians are pro-Russian, there's virtually no chance Putin would order indiscriminate shelling of hospitals and schools if they were housing civilians.

I don't believe everything I'm hearing from either side of this, but I have to point out a flaw in your logic here. This statement assumes they have pinpoint accuracy on all their weapons. They don't. No matter what sources you trust, everyone all around acknowledges Russia is using a lot of dumb munitions. They simply don't have a lot of smart munitions. Dumb munitions can hit anything, including hospitals and schools. And it allows you to accurately claim you didn't target a hospital or school when you eventually do hit one, which is bound to happen.

Now, those defending Russia are gonna say I'm a western media sap because I'm saying Russia may have actually hit that hospital. Those defending Ukraine are gonna claim I'm a Russian bot for saying it might have been an accident.

I'm not saying for certain what happened, I'm just saying there's a lot of possibilities here.

All I know is both liberal and conservative US media are reporting a lot of the same things, and that alone makes me very suspicious. That doesn't automatically mean something is up either. Honestly I don't know what's going on, and there's no way to really know because none of these people are trustworthy.

ETA: Also, I love this part:

Those “ultra-radical” forces would be the Azov Battalion, which according to NBC News was “founded by an avowed white supremacist who claimed Ukraine’s national purpose was to rid the country of Jews and other inferior races.”)

Did liberal media's tendency to constantly claim right-wing politicians in the US and European countries are neo-Nazis give Putin a plausible excuse? I mean right now the liberal media is bending over backwards to talk about how absurd it is to say there are Nazis in Ukraine, which is contrary to prior narratives they themselves have pushed about right-wing politicians in eastern Europe.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Yes. I will say even more, that's why we (the Russian people) want to help them, because we know that they don't belong to themselves. And their president is a servant. And they (Ukrainians) also know this. Regarding the 3rd World War, I will not be able to tell you until the end about what I know (assume). But I will try to be as specific as possible. What should be is inevitable. If you think from the point of view of mathematics, which plays a very important role in our system, then you can notice a pattern of events that are equal to the number 3. I am not talking about mysticism now, but about observations in various spheres that support our existence with you. If I had assumed (or told you openly) I would advise you to have time to do what you would like to do before the end of this decade, because then it (probably) will not be feasible, or it will lose its meaning. Why I would say this to you, because I think (I assume) that these events will concern me secondarily because of the inability to greatly influence them, but they will affect you (your country) directly. And those with whom your country is currently competing (for real). I apologize if I somehow confused you and didn't provide you with a clear answer, but I can't talk about these events in any other way.

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
a reply to: IAMTAT

You dont need to always think the opposite of what the media tells you.
Love Ukraine and their wish of freedom. They love their president who is finally not a puppet or a fake double agent.
And why would you like Putin - a dictator who poisons opposition, kills journalists, runs a country threatening us with nuclear destruction since the WW2? The source of communism and hostility in Asia.
I've got it, democrats are still democrats. Globalists didnt go away either after the covid takeover.
It's not surprising that even Alex Jones has jumped on the biolab BS. Putin knows how divided we are and what strings to play to reach HIS goals.

Well, the fact is that the Kremlin is swarming with CIA agents, Putin admitted as much.

Take all that into the grand scheme of things.

a reply to: Namor

I understand your need to be cryptic, Namor...although, I will also admit to some personal confusion about what you say regarding coming events by the end of this decade and your role in helping to bring them about.

Also, concerning your previous post...we are being told in our media that 13,000 Russian anti-war protestors have been arrested.

news.yahoo.com...

a reply to: IAMTAT

"On the same topic...do the Russian people understand that the majority of the American people despise Soros?"

Unfortunately, the Russian people have little interest in politics and most have not even heard of this man. But I can tell you with confidence that we do not feel negative towards your people. We have a negative attitude towards your ruler. Just like you, I think. And I can safely tell you that if you came to me and asked for a blanket and food, I would be happy to do it for you. We are not invaders and we are not greedy people. And maybe we don't have much education like you, but we are very smart and talented, and are able to see the true enemy, which you and your people are not. But in this situation, that is why we have not yet rebelled against those who control us. Because we know that we will go to the end. and We will lose loved ones. And as I said earlier, this is the main thing for us.

a reply to: IAMTAT

my role is not to stop it. My role is to show everyone at the right moment that they can choose. I'll tell you a little differently - people are weak in front of one person, exactly until they realize that they are not alone. As for the arrested, I cannot say the exact figure, since I bring this information about statistics from the media. You yourself understand that they may not be completely reliable. But I can say for sure that my people are really against it. And I will say even more, if they had allowed it, absolutely EVERYONE would have come out.

originally posted by: Namor
a reply to: IAMTAT

"On the same topic...do the Russian people understand that the majority of the American people despise Soros?"

Unfortunately, the Russian people have little interest in politics and most have not even heard of this man. But I can tell you with confidence that we do not feel negative towards your people.

We, the American people, are being constantly propagandized by our out of control media...to literally hate Putin.
As for the Russian people, I have noticed a growing undercurrent of concern for their plight regarding Biden's sanctions against Putin.

Billionaire oligarch, Putin will be far less punished than the Russian people...and Americans are concerned for Russian people in that respect.

I believe the wish, here, is that the long-suffering Russian people will rise up against they're leadership, as our hands are tied taking military action...due to concern about thermonuclear war.

The American people I know have no animosity towards Russian civilians.

a reply to: IAMTAT

I will post a threat, with a video soon where the ambassador of Russia puts his remarks on the whole situation from his point of view.

Shamefully I got the feeling he didn't get any chance to explain himself, simply because the propaganda works both ways.
I think I will post it now.
I'm not able to discuss the key aspects at this moment about this Interview made by a Dutch current affairs program called buitenhof, because my time differentiates from yours.

Although I condemn the invasion I really want to listen to what dialog the Russians come with and to solve this conflict ASAP because it's in the best interest of the whole world, especially the innocent people who are victims of this war.