It's ALL Propaganda folks

originally posted by: GAOTU789
a reply to: Boadicea

When Hezoballah and Hamas lob rockets at Israeli cities and civilians, that's provocation.

When Israel bulldozes and annexes parts of the West Bank, that's provocation

When Israel bombed a nuclear site in Syria, that's provocation.

When Al Qaeda hit the US, that's provocation.

When ISIS attacked Germany and France and other European nations, that's provocation.

Both sides funding and fueling a civil war in a buffer country, that's not provocation. BOTH sides have been fueling the Ukrainian civil war much the same as both sides fueled the war in Afghanistan, both countries war in that country.

My only question to you is did Ukraine attack Russia?

As I've said here before, this would have happened 4 years ago if Hillary had won.

A few of us here said it at the time.

one thing I've observed is Western MSM seldom to never shows Ukrainian forces / equipment getting destroyed. Only Russian tanks, planes, helicopters etc...are getting destroyed it seems. No Ukranian soldiers have died either apparently. All I read are estimates of Russians killed and Russian generals. Only Ukranian civilians die apparently, no soldiers.

Very lopsided.

As for talk of Russia bombing / shelling certain cities. Of course, no mention that Ukraine forces might be positioned in these places or on rooftops of buildings.

Is there a place that is more balanced? I read War Zone on the Drive to get my fill, which is rapidly declining. Losing interest.

Zerohedge, ISW, and sometimes Sky News. Still a little Daily Mail...but I try to avoid.

en.wikipedia.org...

ok...I decided to visit the ultra-unbiased (/s) Wikipedia.

And there are some links to Ukranian casualty / death figures. And equipment destroyed.

interfax.com...

MOSCOW. March 10 (Interfax) - The Russian military says it has destroyed almost 3,000 military installations in Ukraine.

"As a result of strikes carried out against Ukraine's military infrastructure, 2,998 military installations were destroyed," the ministry's spokesperson Igor Konashenkov told a briefing on Thursday.

He said that over the past 24 hours Russian tactical aircraft had destroyed 68 installations, including two sites of the Ukrainian troop control system, 12 material and technical support centers and three Osa air defense missile systems.

"Russian air defense weapons destroyed in mid-air one MiG-29, three Bayraktar TB2 unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and one Tochka-U tactical missile," Konashenkov said.

"In total, since the start of operation Ukraine's military losses have amounted to: 98 aircraft, 110 UAVs, 144 antiaircraft missile systems, 88 radar posts, 1,007 tanks and other fighting armored vehicles, 109 multiple rocket launchers, 374 field artillery weapons and mortar launchers, 793 units of special military automotive equipment," the spokesperson said.

I've seen a short twitter video claiming destruction of 1-2 Ukraine S-300 systems, a large anotov plane shot down, and that's probably about it. Even if the article above is inaccurate / exaggerated, it goes to show how distorted the media is.

I've seen a couple videos of Russian helicopters being shot down, and yet no Ukranian ones. And I saw a Twitter thing this morning (On War Zone) claiming Ukraine still had 80% of air assets.

Is this Interfax article believable?

9 Mar 2022 06:30
Russian Aerospace Forces have destroyed 89 combat planes, 57 helicopters in Ukraine - Russian Defense Ministry

interfax.com...

MOSCOW. March 9 (Interfax) - Eighty-nine combat planes and 57 helicopters out of the 250 combat aircraft in possession of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been destroyed by the Russian Aerospace Forces in the air and on the ground since the start of the special military operation in Ukraine, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said at a press briefing on Wednesday.

"When the special operation was launched, the Ukrainian Armed Forces had up to 250 combat airplanes and helicopters in good working order. The Russian Aerospace Forces have destroyed 89 combat planes and 57 helicopters on the ground and in the air," Konashenkov said.

"Some of Ukraine's [combat] planes have relocated to Romania and are not taking part in the fighting," he said.

"Ninety percent of Ukrainian military airfields, which accommodate the core combat aviation force, have been rendered inoperable," Konashenkov said.

"There are almost no qualified Ukrainian [military] pilots of the first and second class left," he said.

"As of today, we are observing only isolated attempts of the Ukrainian Air Force's combat aircraft to take off," Konashenkov said.

The "truth" lies somewhere in between quite often.

originally posted by: dontneedaname
one thing I've observed is Western MSM seldom to never shows Ukrainian forces / equipment getting destroyed.

I believe that may be because we're far too busy watching civilian lives, mothers, daughters, sons, families lives being destroyed on the Ukraine side. In Mariupol alone upwards of 1,500 civilian casualties.

Or were you just in it for the doom porn?

originally posted by: dontneedaname

Only Ukranian civilians die apparently, no soldiers.

The civilians are the ones fighting the war. They are the soldiers. They have put themselves in the position of enemy combatant to Russian forces.

originally posted by: dontneedaname

I read War Zone on the Drive to get my fill, which is rapidly declining. Losing interest.

Why am i not surprised?

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: dontneedaname
one thing I've observed is Western MSM seldom to never shows Ukrainian forces / equipment getting destroyed.

originally posted by: dontneedaname

I read War Zone on the Drive to get my fill, which is rapidly declining. Losing interest.

Why am i not surprised?

THanks for the snarky answer....NOT.

Oh by the way, have you cared about folks dying in any of the other countless theaters over the years...yeah, that's what I thought. Nevermind non-war zones.

Or are you one of those folks -- "If it saves one life" wear a mask 4ever, 24/7. Stay home! Take 10 shots. Promise, no side effects. No adverse reactions. Have you seen covid figures in Hong Kong, South Korea, or Thailand lately?

Not everyone is attached to "Ukraine lives." I didn't bat an eye in 2013-2014 when "Ukranians died" in the Maidan / Orange revolution (or whatever color). Though I am watching a UKRAINE ON FIRE documentary by Oliver Stone. I care enough to learn about WHY.

Haven't batted an eye from anyone dying in Donestk or Luhansk nor the Malaysian air flight shot down. I don't know anyone there.

Also -- some people see LIFE differently...because they have a larger understanding of what LIFE is. But, I digress.

Oh by the way -- tons of more folks are going to die before the decade is out more/less ...billions if you're in the end times camp like me. And those in nations / places / states NOT hit by a nuclear strike, well...there are other end times things going on RIGHT NOW...but few people care about those.

And no, there are no purely "innocent" lives. But again, I digress. Or maybe better put - no innocent SOULS. What is the purpose of life anyway? Def..not WW3 forum related.

I once had a Ukranian girlfriend...20+ years ago...so I would of cared more then, but not much "energy" related to her left. Do you know what "energy" I'm talking about? Nevermind, this is a WW3 forum.

originally posted by: dontneedaname

Oh by the way, have you cared about folks dying in any of the other countless theaters over the years...yeah, that's what I thought. Nevermind non-war zones.

I did my 20 years in the Corps. 20 years worth of caring. 20 years of witnessing atrocities. I have first-hand experience in feeling these peoples pain and helplessness.

Im as opposed to war as an individual can be and dont merely lose interest because it's not on the media cycle du jour.

originally posted by: dontneedaname

I didn't bat an eye in 2013-2014 when "Ukranians died"

Haven't batted an eye from anyone dying in Donestk or Luhansk nor the Malaysian air flight shot down.

I hope you understand that one could be forgiven if they were to believe this displays some sociopathic tendencies.

a reply to: dontneedaname

Not everyone is attached to "Ukraine lives." I didn't bat an eye in 2013-2014 when "Ukranians died" in the Maidan / Orange revolution (or whatever color). Though I am watching a UKRAINE ON FIRE documentary by Oliver Stone. I care enough to learn about WHY.

Haven't batted an eye from anyone dying in Donestk or Luhansk nor the Malaysian air flight shot down. I don't know anyone there.

This is common with people who have never experienced such things first hand .

I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone say , " AH Hell we should just bomb them all to dust " and that person not understanding the Gravity of what they are saying .

Arm chair experts with there fast food and Air-Conditining will never understand the True nature of the world , and should the true nature of the world be forced upon them they will be the first ones dead .

a reply to: vNex92


Find your integrity and turn. Your integrity is EVERYTHING.

a reply to: Smigg

just found a news channel on you tube called Wion, seems to give a balanced view and history of the conflict. worth a watch and western propoganda free.

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: dontneedaname

Oh by the way, have you cared about folks dying in any of the other countless theaters over the years...yeah, that's what I thought. Nevermind non-war zones.

I did my 20 years in the Corps. 20 years worth of caring. 20 years of witnessing atrocities. I have first-hand experience in feeling these peoples pain and helplessness.

Im as opposed to war as an individual can be and dont merely lose interest because it's not on the media cycle du jour.

originally posted by: dontneedaname

I didn't bat an eye in 2013-2014 when "Ukranians died"

Haven't batted an eye from anyone dying in Donestk or Luhansk nor the Malaysian air flight shot down.

I hope you understand that one could be forgiven if they were to believe this displays some sociopathic tendencies.

I could tell you all about war. And being anti-war. I'm neither now. It just is what it is. When you bother to understand WHY you come to a different understanding of LIFE.

I've traveled all over the world and seen many things.

you can't play the life experience card with me on war. 80+ countries....

I've been involved in more real-life combat than you can shake a stick at.

a reply to: dontneedaname

wholly uninterested in a digital pissing contest.

Good luck

a reply to: GAOTU789



The Sheeple are being Led to the Slaughter Once Again .......





Meanwhile , The Left gets Ready to Party.........

Its interesting that in the rush to proclaim themselves the final arbitrator on all things propaganda how many people forget, Russia invaded another country its on them to prove they had a legitimate reason.

Changing your reason ever few days doesnt give me any reason to believe them.

a reply to: GAOTU789

Your post is pertinent. One of the biggest societal problems is that MOST people are real quick to fall for the "good guy government" myth. There is no such creature. THEIR, ALL OF THEM, have the agenda for deceiving HUMANITY. They all work in concert to do so.

originally posted by: neo09

I think it's funny that democrats who always screamed and voiced out loud against war are ACTIVELY supporting the war - whether it be participating in it or funding it. I also think it's hilarious that politicians currently in office are actively calling for assassination of a leader from another country. It's as if some kind of a 'switch' has been turned on and suddenly this mass of people are calling out and blaming Putin for everything

I think people have largely forgotton the fact that the ranking Democrats are actually Neocons in league with rival ranking Republicans perpetuating manufactured moral narratives to divide the masses against each other, you know, so they're easy to control.