Eduard Albert "Billy" Meier: Are his films hoaxes also? Look and decide.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8

originally posted by: idusmartias

originally posted by: bluemooone2

Looking at the full frame video , what are these craft hanging on a string from exactly ?

Oops, you doubted now the thread "experts" are going to jump on you for not seeing the "obvious" which they are fortunate to see but not show. None of the "experts" have taken any frame and enhanced the frame to show the wires/cables/filaments, nothing just unqualified comments. I'm ignoring them and the thread will close.

The enhanced photos that I've seen show what the poster claims are visible evidence of wires but what one sees look more like scratches. I've done a lot of searches for the photos I did see years ago but I could not find any. I had a photo of such in my ufo folder but reformatting my pc somehow caused the folder to be deleted.

Look how difficult it is to see monofilament line even with a modern digital camera. He's hanging Lego models to look like they're flying for his display. This is viewing it from only 10 feet of distance. At times you can see the line when you have a dark contrasting black background. But you normally can't. Meier's films were from the 70s with a lower quality recording and were being filmed from larger distances. Of course it's possible fishing line or wire is going disappear. Even with modern cameras it does. Did an "expert" tell me that? No, just simple and basic common sense did. So again, the appeal to authority is a poor argument here.

Watch the model. You can see it's hanging from the center and wobbling and moving around as he touches it. An off balanced movement. When it's moved from its center of gravity, it has a reaction that any larger object hanging on a wire/string would have. Did an "expert" tell me that? No, just simple and common sense did.

Like I said earlier, I can understand the go fast videos being confusing and needing to be explained for those who can't perceive or imagine things in 3D space. But Meiers videos are so in-your-face obvious.

I don't have a problem with accepting your research and your conclusions. It seems like an obvious answer. But as I said, there was one photo showing a Meier "model" that obviously had been suspended by a string, wire, filament, I don't remember. But then, recently, maybe in one of the many videos showing Meier's films, I saw a black and white imagie of one of Meier's UFOs and the photo showed what could be claimed to be a string or a wire but the string or wire wasn't a complete length, it was truncated. It looked like a film or print scratch.

And, yes, a filament line may be difficult to make out in a photo but it depends on many factors such as thickness of filament, distance, contrast, camera angle, lighting, background, etc. But a filament, can at times be shown. It is a 3-d object so it can have a reflective surface but it will show darkening where light is less depending on the light source. Against a bright sky it might not be seen if only one photo is taken. But multiple photos may reveal the filament especially with professional enhancing.

We need to see professional enhancing with the proper equipment to come to a sure conclusion. I haven't found photos that have had such treatment. You can go on record with your opinions but opinions are not accepted in court. Evidence is.

Thanks for your thoughtul reply.

a reply to: MissVocalcord

I admire your diligence and you have a lot of support from similar thinkers. I have to reserve my acceptance of all claims, pro and con, until definite evidence is provided by an unquestionable source presenting irrefutable evidence either way.

In the meantime, what is your opinion of this protograph? That's a Swiss Mirage jet fighter in the same frame as Meier's Beamship. I didn't include a separate photo of the jet for comparison 'cause I don't know which particular jet this is.


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originally posted by: bluemooone2
Looking at the full frame video , what are these craft hanging on a string from exactly ?

Trees, poles or a wire suspended between to trees;So many possibilities, but only one person who knows the answer but won't give it to you.

(thinking)
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originally posted by: idusmartias
a reply to: MissVocalcord

I admire your diligence and you have a lot of support from similar thinkers. I have to reserve my acceptance of all claims, pro and con, until definite evidence is provided by an unquestionable source presenting irrefutable evidence either way.

In the meantime, what is your opinion of this protograph? That's a Swiss Mirage jet fighter in the same frame as Meier's Beamship. I didn't include a separate photo of the jet for comparison 'cause I don't know which particular jet this is.

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(those are billy meier's arms in the photograph, left, not trees.............he killed his body, not necessarily suicide, in disputing suicide for the effect, a poison, or detriment to the body fatigue, both can passively kill a few hours or days later, during natural activity or sleep) (he wasn't blessed, it was his experimentation...........because the process wasn't completed, or because it was a result of sin (in the case of god allowing satan to commit murder for suicide pleasure, that is satan's worthlessness in the new testament, it wouldn't mean anything, meaning martyrdom is positive) (this wasn't martyrdom or faith, it was his experimentation, and because he was sacrificing his body for satan's disposition it is techincally a sin)



(when billy meier, though to experimentation with a women, then you can see a parallel dimension............what that means is, a preview of the pyramid builder's covenant, for a wife, is also for transition to a spaceship with transitory to that man and women, based on the pyramid builder's allowances with god.................however the dirth charge, would take his right arm or his life, or one or more limbs or sensory organs...........this bleeds into the human dirth charge as black hole and he would be permanently disabled, no longer able to do anything signs or miracles)

Billy Meier does not have the ability to do anything anymore, except to life and die like a normal man.................this is because god is not disputing payment for sin, and the pyramid builder's covenant is completed....................so the natural charge has been eroded away..............with that said...............these issues are generational and cyclically tied to god's resolution of the son of man............if the charge to billy meier is restored, based on god giving me that ability, which i may or may not later obtain, his testimony will be restored and completed. the title of son of man is both a classification and a title according to god's law, and, there is no more after me, humanity will die, as in deceased by the time of halley's comet 2061, period, there is no controversy.

(but its near climax with suicide pleasure with me personally, look at the lives lost in either dead flesh controversy, or in pandemic, and all of that is worthless along with those lives, the suicide humanity does with my testimony or the son of man whoever he is, is apart of god's allowances for using mankind as a sin offering, a discernment of the mental illness that isn't apart of the new universe, and billions, close to all of the lives of this generation are thus far , so far worthless..............but we'll have to see thing change, maybe this year)

originally posted by: idusmartias
We need to see professional enhancing with the proper equipment to come to a sure conclusion.

No you don't; the wire isn't in the photograph simply because the 'resolution' is too low. No matter what kind of 'professional enhanging' you will apply; the wire won't be shown. There have already been many examples of this in this thread;

originally posted by: idusmartias
a reply to: MissVocalcord
In the meantime, what is your opinion of this protograph? That's a Swiss Mirage jet fighter in the same frame as Meier's Beamship. I didn't include a separate photo of the jet for comparison 'cause I don't know which particular jet this is.

Not familiar with that photo (I thought this was about the movies )
Do you have a link to a higher resolution version? He might got lucky and have a both in a single shot, or he used some double exposure technique he has used before:
www.billymeieruforesearch.com...

(thinking)

(the question is why take actions that resemble suicide, if you have god's favor, more then satan................the bottom line is the human dirth charge, that is impacted against this earth, and in particular women, but also in the sin of man............otherwise satan's suicide pleasure is meaningless, along with its false witnessing)

(just fooling with reducing the body strength to near suicide, and with the earth can have the same detrimental effects as taking up wives or murders, or uncleannesses, but its better to be faithful, then you can see the pattern of them taking their own lives for pleasure exceedingly like today, worthless, but is the nature of satan accusation of dead flesh)

(either way, the gamble of transiting the victory of sin, as a sinner, often fails, god only displaces the son of man for a season before he is restored, they acted like god does the same thing, but god may, everything isn't resolved yet, god may also not do anything but let me decide specifically)

more so, back to topic

(all you had or have to do, really, was just life a normal life, humanities uncleanness, will cause god to naturally send his angels to perform various works of euthanasia in your favor, or exceedingly so, cause yourself to be fatigued in a hot day, and walk around, humanities uncleanness is a violation of the law, so that humanity is largely a living corpse, and god will send a angel to perform various works of euthanasia in your favor..................but those are or were individuals with grandeous conclusions, which failed, but there may be more we'll have to see)

Apparently, after having fed up with the doubts raised by some of his group members regarding his ET contacts, on April 20, 1975, Meier had arranged with Semjase to provide concrete evidence to his group in the form of a flight demonstration, whereby Meier would also be allowed to photograph both his group members and Semjase’s beamship in the same frame. This, Meier and Semjase hoped would address those group members skepticism towards Meier’s ET contacts. Following excerpt from the Thought-Transmission Report (appended at the end of Contact Report 12, April 20, 1975, 3:11 AM) that occurred at 9:37 AM on April 21, 1975, talks about the demonstration event transpired on the previous day’s contact:
www.billymeieruforesearch.com...

Billy Meier is 38 years, when the climax in his experimentation took place, and his disappointment, when his charge wasn't restored................."40 stripes you may be beaten but no more - bible"...................that figure specifically in years of age is spammed by a few persons, edward leedskalnin in his carvings on coral castle is one, but................so it follows that roswell, was the restoration of some of them, but, obviously that failed, in dealing with the human dirth charge on earth, when clearly that wasn't or isn't the proper articulated law god has in view.

His books get good reviews. www.goodreads.com...

a reply to: idusmartias

Here are 3 more screen grabs from Meier's 8mm film. Photo #1 shows the craft "materializing" above the mountain after "dematerializing" from the top edge. Photo #2 shows more of the craft but not in full detail. Photo #3 shows the craft fully materialized and rising.

I'd like someone with the skill to take the 3 photos and create a GIF to show the craft becoming solid. Of course, I said that with tongue in cheek to protect myself from the critics who accuse me of endorsing Meier's films as being genuine. I don't say they are and I don't say they aren't. The proof is in the eyes of the beholder. I'll stay neutral, always with questions.

You can view the video found in various websites but I used this one: "Rediscovered Reel of Super8 Film Footage Shot by Eduard "Billy" Meier in Switzerland in 1975." - www.youtube.com... starting at 10:10.

Change the video to full frame and change the video speed from Normal to 0.25 using the bottom right gear symbol and right after 10:37 look for a blue patch on the right foreground and pause the video and start tapping the play button. At 10:38 the craft will appear incomplete and another tap will show the craft more solid but not as solid as when it starts to rise. But before the craft starts to rise it'll dip down and start its ascent. Have patience when you tap the play button to move the video ahead one frame at a time and do it slowly so you can grab the craft's appearance. You might think the craft will never appear but it will.

originally posted by: idusmartias
a reply to: idusmartias
Change the video to full frame and change the video speed from Normal to 0.25 using the bottom right gear symbol and right after 10:37 look for a blue patch on the right foreground and pause the video and start tapping the play button. At 10:38 the craft will appear incomplete and another tap will show the craft more solid but not as solid as when it starts to rise. But before the craft starts to rise it'll dip down and start its ascent. Have patience when you tap the play button to move the video ahead one frame at a time and do it slowly so you can grab the craft's appearance. You might think the craft will never appear but it will.

As a side note:
It is much easier to simply pause the youtube video and use the ',' and '.' keys to skip exactly one frame in the youtube video.

Also there are extensions available to more easily make screenshots from the youtube video (so you don't have the timeline and controls at the bottom):
chrome.google.com...

And a simple search for "animated gif maker" ( duckduckgo.com... ) will give you enough results to pick one which suits you.

originally posted by: idusmartias
Here are 3 more screen grabs from Meier's 8mm film. Photo #1 shows the craft "materializing" above the mountain after "dematerializing" from the top edge. Photo #2 shows more of the craft but not in full detail. Photo #3 shows the craft fully materialized and rising.

The first two grabs are from 10:38 into the video; The last one is from 11:17. What is the point of making these into an animated gif?

Also I really don't see any of this "materializing" and "dematerializing" you talk about, but please keep in mind in transferring the film to video/youtube a lot of artifacts may have been added. ( 8mm films ran at 16 frames per second and converting them to a higher frame rate might add interpolated frames)

What you can see is a yet another clear sign of cutting the film; You see the shadows jumping when the UFO does it so called 'jump' too, exactly as we've seen before with the clouds:
www.youtube.com...

You can view the video found in various websites but I used this one: "Rediscovered Reel of Super8 Film Footage Shot by Eduard "Billy" Meier in Switzerland in 1975." - www.youtube.com... starting at 10:10.

The quality looks pretty poor. I've used this one which seems of a better quality (less digital noise)
www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: MissVocalcord

originally posted by: idusmartias
a reply to: MissVocalcord
In the meantime, what is your opinion of this protograph? That's a Swiss Mirage jet fighter in the same frame as Meier's Beamship. I didn't include a separate photo of the jet for comparison 'cause I don't know which particular jet this is.

Not familiar with that photo (I thought this was about the movies

)
Do you have a link to a higher resolution version? He might got lucky and have a both in a single shot, or he used some double exposure technique he has used before:
www.billymeieruforesearch.com...

The thread is about Meier's films but an innocent stray to a photo that I don't know if it came from a movie frame is fair game. You say you're not familiar with that photo yet you provide a link that contains a link to a book whose cover features "that" photo: "Photo Inventarium" and if you're a curious person you should have taken a peek.

Thanks for the link, I'll check out its contents.

Brit Elders is an investigative author and documentary filmmaker who traveled the world exploring a variety of topics, including the mysterious world of UFOs. She has worked on the Billy Meier case and the waves of UFO sightings in Mexico, which began in 1991 and continue today. She and her husband, Lee Elders, are coauthors of the 45th Anniversary Edition of UFO...Contact from the Pleiades. Her website is britelders.com...

This is quite interesting.

a reply to: bluemooone44
She says she couldn't find any evidence of deception on the part of Billy Meier.

She didn't look very hard, did she?

originally posted by: Spacespider
a reply to: idusmartias

I think with the Meier case, I think a few of those are real and when the hype stopped he missed all the attention so he started to make fake props and made up stories.

At least some people say, oh year Meier faked those, but some of his other stuff looks real, but she doesn't even admit those deceptions and claims she couldn't find any deception, which makes her seem pretty clueless!

a reply to: idusmartias

let me answer straight and seriously

Billi Meyer case is REAL and NOT REAL
at the same time

how?

The contact with Commander Sinjansen (wrongly spelt Semjase) was GENUINE and REAL but it ended after little time, and Billy didnt have more genuine material to show, no more booksand pictures to sell

So, as a desperate person like he is, he started to produce fake materials in order to keep the contact alive, which it wasn't.

originally posted by: gigirome
a reply to: idusmartias

let me answer straight and seriously

Billi Meyer case is REAL and NOT REAL
at the same time

how?

The contact with Commander Sinjansen (wrongly spelt Semjase) was GENUINE and REAL but it ended after little time, and Billy didnt have more genuine material to show, no more booksand pictures to sell

So, as a desperate person like he is, he started to produce fake materials in order to keep the contact alive, which it wasn't.

I’ll drink to that 🍻

👽

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

which means...

originally posted by: gigirome
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

which means...

What you’ve said has been in my mind a long time….l agree.

👽

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

well you would probably dont believe me but 20 years ago we saw and spoke to commander Senjansen
in a meeting with some members of the Confederations in Ecuador, a place called Cochasqui

But this is sanother story

what is important is to understand that contacts with humans exist, but that there aren't forever, they are usually short, as humans tend to be egocentric and try to take advantages from the informations the ET give them, like writing books, conferences etc

Contacts are always free, and humbleness is the key