BREAKING: Russia launches 'full-scale' invasion of Ukraine

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: myselfaswell

It's already a full scale invasion. This is no longer just focused on the two disputed oblasts and Russia now has troops invading from Belarus and Crimea.

If a three pronged attack that is leading to shelling/bombing occurring in many major cities in the country isn't a full scale invasion, then what constitutes one?

Eh? Doesn't matter where it comes from, it can all emanate from putins ar$e for all I care, the mission has been stated and that's all that's going to happen. It can be dramatised up anyway one likes but that's what's going to happen, and that'll be that.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
I wonder what talking points the Russian contingent on here have been given to claim this is justified.

That Ukraine had a coup 8 years ago and the guy who took over persecuted ethnic Russians who are now in danger from a Ukrainian attack.

Which is more or less the truth.

Already seen two interesting pieces of false posts. One posts has the Tianjin Harbor explosion from china years ago stated as an strike on Kiev airport which caused a chain reaction at a power plant. The other was someone posting a massive airborne invasion in Ukraine which was actually some military drills from 2016.

So I expect our own media will be looking stupid soon trying to pull the same antics.

a reply to: Snarl

That's hardly an acceptable casus beli and definitely not the truth as Putin has had designs on Ukraine since at least 2013.

Besides, money is not going to be here justification given. To these people Putin is above such base things, despite possibly being the richest man in the world and friends with many of Russia's corrupt autocrats.

No, I'm expecting their excuse to be something that paints Putin as a humanitarian that's just trying to defend human rights. I mean that's the excuse they went with when the "peacekeepers" were deployed to Luhansk and Donetsk.

So far I'm kind of surprised the best they can muster up is, "But...but...but Kosovo."

It’d really suck to get vapourized by nukes because Western Leaders want to help this regime.

Hopefully the Russians end this one quickly. Apparently they’re 130kms in already so probably won’t take too long. A lot of the Ukrainian Army apparently didn’t turn up. Guess Kiev’s cause isn’t all that popular.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

And yet Yanukovych was legally impeached for losing control of the country after he betrayed the will of the people by turning his back on a deal with the EU that had been in the works for years.

Also, the guy who was elected to replace Yanukovych, Poroshenko, is no longer President. In fact, Poroshenko was beaten by the current President.

Finally, Russia has trotted out the "persecuted ethnic Russians that are now in danger of ethnic cleansing" line for his past three invasions. He has never once been able to backup those claims when asked to by the UN.

a reply to: Xcalibur254
What I am seeing now looks exactly what I have watched NATO powers do on the battlefields across MENA since 9/11. The 2014 coup and standoff in Ukraine until now also looked quite a bit like the premise of call of duty 4 modern warfare. I guess this would be the next chapter "Russia Strikes Back".

Blackhawks have been flying close to the border from Poland for the last hour or so, but it seems all nato aircraft are nonlonger flying over Ukraine.

From the White House last night...

Tomorrow, I will meet with my G7 counterparts in the morning and then speak to the American people to announce the further consequences the United States and our Allies and partners will impose on Russia for this needless act of aggression against Ukraine and global peace and security. We will also coordinate with our NATO Allies to ensure a strong, united response that deters any aggression against the Alliance. Tonight, Jill and I are praying for the brave and proud people of Ukraine.

www.whitehouse.gov... kraine/

Based on the high level of B-2 activity I heard over the skies of mid-Missouri yesterday, I think I have an idea where this is going.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
So I expect our own media will be looking stupid soon trying to pull the same antics.

Putin can't be stopped in Ukraine militarily. That's just the bottom line.

What we can look forward to are the tell-alls that are going to come out against the US Democrats. Hunter Biden and The Bug Guy's corruption are going to be making headlines within weeks.

ReeeeeHeeHeeHee

originally posted by: Deetermined
From the White House last night...

Tomorrow, I will meet with my G7 counterparts in the morning and then speak to the American people to announce the further consequences the United States and our Allies and partners will impose on Russia for this needless act of aggression against Ukraine and global peace and security. We will also coordinate with our NATO Allies to ensure a strong, united response that deters any aggression against the Alliance. Tonight, Jill and I are praying for the brave and proud people of Ukraine.

www.whitehouse.gov... kraine/

Based on the high level of B-2 activity I heard over the skies of mid-Missouri yesterday, I think I have an idea where this is going.

The only response he SHOULD have is to at best to Condemn Russia and putin, and then promptly STAY THE EFF OUT OF IT!

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: AaarghZombies

And yet Yanukovych was legally impeached for losing control of the country after he betrayed the will of the people by turning his back on a deal with the EU that had been in the works for years.

Also, the guy who was elected to replace Yanukovych, Poroshenko, is no longer President. In fact, Poroshenko was beaten by the current President.

Finally, Russia has trotted out the "persecuted ethnic Russians that are now in danger of ethnic cleansing" line for his past three invasions. He has never once been able to backup those claims when asked to by the UN.

A coup is still a coup, and the shelling of women and children is still a war crime.

And pushing ethnic Russians to the margins of society is still ethnic cleansing. Good guys don't generally go around closing newspaper and shutting down TV stations.

Ukraine could have negotiationed with the breakaway regionsbut instead the chose war, now the Bully has woken the bear and is playing the victim.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Snarl

That's hardly an acceptable casus beli and definitely not the truth as Putin has had designs on Ukraine since at least 2013.

Besides, money is not going to be here justification given. To these people Putin is above such base things, despite possibly being the richest man in the world and friends with many of Russia's corrupt autocrats.

It's doubtful we're in something other than violent agreement with one another.

I've said for years that Putin will establish a land-bridge between the Motherland and The Crimea. I expect those areas will forevermore be a part of Russia. He'll probably reserve any other land he needs to pipe oil and gas into Western Europe. And, I expect, Western Europe will quietly love him for it.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

It's hard to predict anything any more with the current administration, especially with possible Biden personal ties to Ukraine.

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
So I expect our own media will be looking stupid soon trying to pull the same antics.

Putin can't be stopped in Ukraine militarily. That's just the bottom line.

What we can look forward to are the tell-alls that are going to come out against the US Democrats. Hunter Biden and The Bug Guy's corruption are going to be making headlines within weeks.

ReeeeeHeeHeeHee

Agreed. Take the L.

Look to the north and far east.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Deetermined
From the White House last night...

Tomorrow, I will meet with my G7 counterparts in the morning and then speak to the American people to announce the further consequences the United States and our Allies and partners will impose on Russia for this needless act of aggression against Ukraine and global peace and security. We will also coordinate with our NATO Allies to ensure a strong, united response that deters any aggression against the Alliance. Tonight, Jill and I are praying for the brave and proud people of Ukraine.

www.whitehouse.gov... kraine/

Based on the high level of B-2 activity I heard over the skies of mid-Missouri yesterday, I think I have an idea where this is going.

The only response he SHOULD have is to at best to Condemn Russia and putin, and then promptly STAY THE EFF OUT OF IT!

I'll bet if B2s rolled down runways, the pucker factor increased several degrees. HAHAHA

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Ukraine should be training up their citizen on guerilla tactics as I think the Russians are there to stay. Their stay should be made uncomfortable until they leave.

It would be folly for any other nation to intervene militarily.

Day late and a dollar short I'm afraid. One of my military buddies over there told me yesterday that Ukraine (at the last moment) eased restrictions on citizen's right to own and possess firearms. Of course, the restrictions on ATMs to amounts less than $180/day followed. How stoopid. -chuckle-

It's never too late to fight a guerilla war. It all depends on the will of the Ukrainian people. As i said, Russia is there for the long haul. If their stay is unwelcoming they might just cut their losses and fall back...or least keep them in their Barracks and limited where they can operate. ied's everywhere can even the score.

If the West backs Putin into a corner things could get ugly...quick.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
I wonder what talking points the Russian contingent on here have been given to claim this is justified.

Gosh I had you as spy for them all along. I could be wrong..... JK

I don't know that.


Thanks to Biden being weak we have a total disaster. He basically said go get Ukraine with his actions, at least imo.

Now we get to find out if those separatist claims were right that 80% of their regions wanted this. Sounds like our 80 million votes for Biden story, hmmm.

If after the battle is over they are freedom fighters or they have been willingly joining the Russians we will have the answer that we were guessing about a while now. I suspect no way on the 80%.

We need more data again. I hope this is as bloodless as it can be. War is nasty and if there are not huge separatist factions this will get extra ugly for the whole world because there will be no moral high ground for those regions and Russians will be the perps. I know some naturalized Ukrainians and they are NOT happy with Russia, so I am leaning with my friends here as my only possible opinion is from them and I am not going to throw the Ukraine under the bus.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Snarl

If it was OK for the US in Kosovo

Is this on the excuses crib sheet handed out?

Frankly it’s incomparable to what Russia is doing in Ukraine - more in line with the idiotic adventures in to Iraq if anything. However, as Kosovo is European it serves as somewhere with more geographical significance to the events unfolding.

This is an absolutely ridiculous move by Putin, making NO logical sense in any way. NATO has not and would never have attacked Russia. Other countries bordering Russia are already in NATO. Economic sanctions in Russia will be massive and vastly damaging. There is no guarantee Putin wins. NONE of it makes any sense militarily, politically or economically. Perhaps, then, Putin has indeed lost his mind.

Region declares independence, central government cracks down on then, larger power steps in to support new state.

Similar to me.

Agreed.

Yep, and we don't see eye to eye on a big % of things in my estimation. This time I see you and say agree.

That attempt at independence is the only thing we have data wise that suggests what should happen. Is it true that they voted to leave? I believe it is. Do other Ukrainians in America agree with that decision? Not in my circle, but I do suggest to my friends that these were Russians citizens begging to be let back in due to the total corruption of their Ukraine Gov. It is corrupt they would tell me, but.....

No easy answers.

Why would they let someone sit on the Golan Heights and wage war on them would be the better question? You can't is the only answer.

ETA
War mongers lobbing mortar at civilians in Israel or any nation from another is a crime or war and if it is war, they can lose the land to the victorious army too.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: Xcalibur254

I could say why has taken a territory from Syria Golan heights? with no one stopping them? putting sanctions?

claim this is justified

Was Kosovo, Golan heights justified?

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
It's never too late to fight a guerilla war. It all depends on the will of the Ukrainian people. As i said, Russia is there for the long haul.

I've yet to be invited to the party. Would decline if the phone rang though. No way I'd want to get in-between two groups who'd like nothing other than to add me to the body count. Not sure if the Ukrainians have the heart for it. I think a LOT of 'em like Russia ... and there ain't nothing wrong with that.