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a reply to: Freeborn

My friend, what you write about is an objective process. This will happen regardless of who is the leader in Russia. It will happen, but not in everything. Both the Russian Empire and the USSR made many mistakes by annexing many unnecessary lands. This is the property of any Empire.
Putin is building in Russia not an Empire, but a Civilization. These are different things and different processes.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RussianTroll

And it's their right to have those opinions. However, until they try to enforce those beliefs through force or are able to convince the rest of the world of their legitimacy, then they're utterly meaningless.

Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Georgia ...... The list for the last quarter of a century alone can be continued.

a reply to: RussianTroll

So Girkin and Borodai don't have FSB ties? Pavlov wasn't commander of the Sparta Battalion? Poklanskaya isn't currently a member of the Russian Duma?

a reply to: RussianTroll

What does that have to do with anything I wrote?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RussianTroll

So Girkin and Borodai don't have FSB ties? Pavlov wasn't commander of the Sparta Battalion? Poklanskaya isn't currently a member of the Russian Duma?

Neither Girkin, nor Borodai, nor Pavlov were officers of the Russian army. These were Russian volunteers who came to protect Russian old people, women and children from being destroyed by the Nazis in order to stop the mass genocide.

Poklonskaya was a prosecutor in Kiev, but fearing for her life from the Nazis, she secretly fled with the help of her friends to Kharkov, and from there to the Crimea. She took Russian citizenship, became the prosecutor of the Crimea, and then a deputy of the State Duma (now gone). If you follow your logic, then only Cherrocks, Delaware and representatives of other indigenous peoples should sit in the US Congress and House of Representatives. By the way, where did they go?

originally posted by: elementalgrove

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: RussianTroll

But have the people in these areas actually expressed their opinion or has someone - namely Putin - expressed their opinion for them?

Are the people of Luhansk and Donetsk going to have the opportunity to decide for themselves if they want to remain in the Ukraine, become independent nations in their own right or be integrated into Russia?

All I see at present is people wanting to enforce and impose themselves.

The referendum on independence from Ukraine was freely held by residents of the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics back in May 2014. Moreover, the residents of these republics, which are now in the territory occupied by Ukraine, also took part in the referendum. The result is 89% FOR.

Was there a nationwide referendum during the unification of Germany, the collapse of Yugoslavia, the proclaiming of Kosovo, etc.? NO.

Thank you for emphasizing this point.

Eastern Ukrainians have been under attack from the agents of Soro's coup back in 2014, the civil war was manufactured and it is long past due these people have protection from these BS color revolutions.

Totally spot on and listening to people ringing in to Radio " in the UK today many people now see through the western MSM BS and understand the situation from Putin's point of view

Just a little coincidental how the coup happened straight after Ukraine pivoted back towards Moscow and wanted to free itself of all the European Union BS.

Ukraine is a puppet state governed by the western hidden hand and is being supplied with weaponry to aim at Russians. If I was Putin it's now or never and there's nothing like the present if you don't want NATO on your borders.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Because it shows the hypocrisy.

When the US government does it, it's for oil, sorry freedom.

a reply to: Freeborn

But that will become increasingly hard if we start seeing bodies in the streets etc.

Of course, just like with Yemen.

Uk involved in Yemen

You can stop with the sanctimonious bull#.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Just a little coincidental how the coup happened straight after Ukraine pivoted back towards Moscow and wanted to free itself of all the European Union BS.

Ukraine is a puppet state governed by the western hidden hand and is being supplied with weaponry to aim at Russians. If I was Putin it's now or never and there's nothing like the present if you don't want NATO on your borders.

You seem to be confusing your history a little. Yanukovych and his party were voted in because they promised to seek closer economic ties with the EU.

Putin then bribed Yanukovych to abandon those efforts. It's at that point the protests started and Yanukovych's own party impeached him for betraying the will of the people.

It is then at that point that Putin had his agents in Donetsk and Luhansk start their separatist movement while he had his troops in Crimea annex the peninsula.

The unrest in Ukraine all stems from Putin's actions.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

The problem with that point is that the US didn't annex any of that territory. Russia on the other hand did annex part of Georgia.

That said, I certainly don't agree with the US' penchant for starting wars that only serve to increase the bank accounts of certain 1%ers.

Now, are you going to also call out Russia for their hypocrisy?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Just a little coincidental how the coup happened straight after Ukraine pivoted back towards Moscow and wanted to free itself of all the European Union BS.

Ukraine is a puppet state governed by the western hidden hand and is being supplied with weaponry to aim at Russians. If I was Putin it's now or never and there's nothing like the present if you don't want NATO on your borders.

You seem to be confusing your history a little. Yanukovych and his party were voted in because they promised to seek closer economic ties with the EU.

Putin then bribed Yanukovych to abandon those efforts. It's at that point the protests started and Yanukovych's own party impeached him for betraying the will of the people.

It is then at that point that Putin had his agents in Donetsk and Luhansk start their separatist movement while he had his troops in Crimea annex the peninsula.

The unrest in Ukraine all stems from Putin's actions.

You don't know history very well. The coup in Ukraine took place after Yanukovych refused to sign the association with the EU, and, on the eve of the coup, the Yanukovych Accords with the opposition were signed in the evening, together with the foreign ministers of Germany, France and Poland, who guaranteed their implementation. And immediately the coup began, Yanukovych fled, there were attempts on his life. Western countries first guaranteed, and then immediately fell silent.

Answer the simple question, "Why was Yanukovych taken on Putin's orders to Rostov (where he still lives) and not to London, Berlin or Paris?"

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

The problem with that point is that the US didn't annex any of that territory. Russia on the other hand did annex part of Georgia.

That said, I certainly don't agree with the US' penchant for starting wars that only serve to increase the bank accounts of certain 1%ers.

Now, are you going to also call out Russia for their hypocrisy?

What are you talking about? By your logic, the US has annexed all of its current territory. And it's hard to list how many countries the UK has annexed. And you think that you can talk about some other annexation?

You call it annexation???

a reply to: RussianTroll

You can't force someone to take the blinders off.



a reply to: Xcalibur254

Now, are you going to also call out Russia for their hypocrisy?

Ah tit for tat argument mode. Nice. Not sure if you just admitted I am right or that you just gave me the option to define myself, when you are wrong.

Because as it stands, you admitted being wrong and now want me to meet you in the middle. lol.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

My friend, I'm just talking about my opinion, because the exchange of opinions is what our forum was created for)))

a reply to: 19Bones79

Sanctimonious bull#?

Not a personal opinion.....I just suspect that public opinion throughout Europe will harden if people start seeing dead bodies in the streets as a result of perceived Russian aggression.

But hey, you know far better than me how Europeans will react.

I've made my personal opinion perfectly clear....I've seen more than enough dead British soldiers flown home from foreign lands in my lifetime.

Yemen?
Can't upset the Saudi's.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

and you seem slightly confused that the so called bribery is all one way. Ameriacns Brits etc have bribed their way into Ukraine and are now supplying weaponry finance to kill Ukraines own citizens just because they happen to speak the Russian language. Plus the idea that Putin is the sole reason for the unrest is crazy and political BS. the puppet regime in Kiev have caused real grievences with 1/5 of the population who happen to speak Russian and there has been an ongoing effort to discriminate against the minority since 2014 but I guess i'm explaining this to a western Alexa style automatic Bot so who gives an effin monkeys

Double Post

a reply to: RussianTroll

I'm pointing out the fact that despite all of the US' warmongering, all of the countries they invaded remain sovereign nations.

Meanwhile, Russia has already annexed part of Ukraine, and their current playbook bears a remarkable resemblance to the ones they used when they annexed parts of Georgia and Moldova.

So it isn't really relevant to bring up the US' exploits when they bear no resemblance to what Russia is currently doing.

a reply to: Freeborn

Yemen?
Can't upset the Saudi's.

Of course. It's easier to assist in the worst humanitarian crisis of our lifetime because people don't resemble you.

I've seen more than enough dead British soldiers flown home from foreign lands in my lifetime.

And yet you suggest sending more to a situation that has been deceptively manipulated by the West?


Cor blimey old chap.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: RussianTroll

I'm pointing out the fact that despite all of the US' warmongering, all of the countries they invaded remain sovereign nations.

Meanwhile, Russia has already annexed part of Ukraine, and their current playbook bears a remarkable resemblance to the ones they used when they annexed parts of Georgia and Moldova.

So it isn't really relevant to bring up the US' exploits when they bear no resemblance to what Russia is currently doing.

Yugoslavia!!! Did not hear? Where is this country and nation?. This is the center of Europe.

I remember over 600 official assassination attempts on Fidel Castro, the leader of a sovereign country. I remember the "great" operation in the Bay of Pigs. I know about Guantanomo located in the sovereign territory of Cuba. List further.

About England. Maldives, Argentina. Do you have any objections?