Trump Hatred

All right this isn't so much a breaking happening now thing as it is a curious phenomena I've noticed. I've noticed all over across all political spectrums, and it is something I cannot explain.

I'll start by saying that I never really liked Obama. OK, let me qualify that ... Obama personally seemed like he could be charming enough, but over the course of his presidency, I agreed with almost nothing he did as a president, and the one thing he could have done positive that might have made a huge difference by presenting an intact black family to a nation full of broken families, he chose not to do in favor of pushing wokeness and racial strife.

But, Obama is gone and no longer president. Except for those times when there is a relevant comparison to be made, I no longer really bring him up. I do it now to illustrate my point on Trump.

People who hated Trump seem to not be able to let it go. It almost seems that no matter what topic we're discussing, they will bring Trump up. And this isn't just leftists. I've observed it in people ostensibly on the right side of the political spectrum too. I understand not really liking Trump personally. He was abrasive. I didn't really like him, but I have a hard time understanding how you can conceive such a deep, visceral loathing of him that you have to turn every conversation into an opportunity to vent that loathing, even now, even when the topic has nothing at all to do with him or anything he really did in his turn in office.

I don't understand it. I may never understand it, but I think perhaps it's time to let it go. I'm not telling you to forget the policies you disliked. I haven't forgotten the policies Obama pushed that have hurt me and others in various ways, but I'm also not losing sleep over it, not hating people who liked Obama because of it, and not venting sheer visceral hatred of Obama into every single thing I do because of it. Obama is done even if the policies of his presidency linger. The same is true of Trump. Let it go. The country and your countrymen will be better when you do.



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a reply to: ketsuko

It's because the media and establishment went into complete, hysterical overdrive for 4 years, claiming Trump was everything from a Russian installation to a neo-Nazi. Most people have no clue why they hate him to their core. Someone can disagree with him or not like his personality, sure. To be frank, I don't really like his personality. I think some of his policies didn't make sense, such as the "Muslim ban" as far as the countries targeted (yes I know it was partly based on a list by the Obama admin).

But, he called out issues in the establishment that are supposed to be not mentioned, from media corruption to the weaponization of CIA and FBI. Also, the extractive, rapacious nature of much free trade agreements and corporate/political collusion with foreign powers.

That does not make him worse than Bush Jr., who now has been rehabilitated by the media and hangs out with Obama. When people state Trump is the worse president ever, it's as if they are ignorant of decades of endless wars and all manners of scandals. I'm old enough to remember when Bush:

1) Invaded Iraq which had nothing to do with 911, based on false evidence and no threat. Approximately 200,000 civilians died, not to mention thousands of Americans
2) Pushed with other leaders the Patriot Act
3) Initiated a regime of torture

Number 1 and 3 are literal war crimes. But somehow, the media told people Trump is worse. It's absurd.

Obama was charismatic but he actually deported more people than Trump as far as illegal immigrants, if we are speaking of issues from a left perspective. He and his CIA funded and armed not one but 3 revolutions across North Africa and the Middle East: LIbya, Egypt, and Syria. In Libya and Syria these turned into bloody conflicts again killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. Obama continued the Patriot Act and extended this to the Prism program.

I could go on and on. But, people's hatred of Trump above all else isn't rational. At least hate these characters equally, as some do.

I'm basically anti-establishment due to the decades of demonstrable history, but I'm not a fool that buys the narratives in the media about Trump.

a reply to: ketsuko

Proof that mass formation psychoses is very real

a reply to: ketsuko

They FEAR Trump and anyone like him.

They want to set the standard, only controllable career politicians need apply. Think for yourself kinda person? Too dangerous to let them have the keys.

a reply to: ketsuko

Trump was as close to a 3rd party candidate that we will ever see in a dozen lifetimes.

In my humble opinion.

The hatred is manufactured, and marketed,
by incomprehensibly vast and ubiquitous
power structures which systematically and systemically
infuse us with their programming because what Trump
represents is their exact opposite.

In other words...Trump is a threat to their very existence.

By decoupling Trump from the having any influence on
the populace (see election theft of 2020) they have spared themselves a formidable foe:
that would be those who love liberty and sovereign rights, ie., you and me, and forever.

Since Trump catalyzed the conflict of technology versus sovereign rights,
Trump is being used to destroy everything we hold dear.

Personally I believe Trump is actually widely loved for his courage to pick enemies
and to announce them outright. We mustn't have that.
Therefore the hatred is manufactured.
Manufactured to bring us down and to save the status quo
of globalist technofascism. If we do not see this now, then we will never see it.
This is our chance. Trump, perhaps unwittingly,
gave us a chance to see the machinations of good vs evil
being inexorably carried out against us, to a man, through wireless weaponry.

This is a simple everyday fact I see being carried out against society:
Electricity is no longer a stupid servant of convenience.
It is in fact a highly intelligent slave to systems too horrible to conceive.
A sensing grid which entangles transceives and intrudes on biology at programmed whim.

This is the secret advantage the media (and governments of like 'persuasion') do hold against us.
If we don't like it, we may simply enjoy the prospect of a festering, ever widening,
and gaping open grave looming in our picture window.
Ridicule, injustice, social ostracization and the like are simply warnings, brushes
with branches of the tree of evil buffeted in the wind,
a precursor to personal doom.

Be of good cheer. We shall be fairly judged,
all of us,
by God.

# 1550

The media plays a huge part in keeping Trump relevant by connecting every crime committed by a white person directly to Trump and his 'rhetoric'.
Fear of his remaining popularity and of him exposing more political corruption has only gotten stronger, making it imperative to convince as many people as possible that he's the worst thing to ever happen to America.

I recently saw a lefty nut on a late night talk show saying Trump is not going away, and our democracy can still be destroyed if "we're not vigilant". I agree with you, totally. Their Trump obsession is truly beyond belief!

I think the main reason for the Trump hatred is because the left always has to have a boogeyman. (Or boogeymen) It's hilarious. They say that the right wingers are conspiracy theorists, yet they're the ones still saying that Trump is signalling his 'Q' operatives with secret codes and hand signals or gestures. He's their perfect boogeyman.

originally posted by: Madviking
a reply to: ketsuko

It's because the media and establishment went into complete, hysterical overdrive for 4 years, claiming Trump was everything from a Russian installation to a neo-Nazi.

But, he called out issues in the establishment that are supposed to be not mentioned, from media corruption to the weaponization of CIA and FBI. Also, the extractive, rapacious nature of much free trade agreements and corporate/political collusion with foreign powers.

I'm basically anti-establishment due to the decades of demonstrable history, but I'm not a fool that buys the narratives in the media about Trump.

Bingo...can you imagine the Biden, Cheney, Bush, or Obama family (children, grandchildren, great...etc.) being tarnished by Treason, the way the CUOMO family name is now equal to scum, in New York?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ketsuko

Trump was as close to a 3rd party candidate that we will ever see in a dozen lifetimes.

In my humble opinion.

It won't happen again, it takes somebody wealthy that will put up with the bullchit from the media along with the heavy-duty responsibility. then you got the den of thieves full of corruption and back-channel deals.

If you were wealthy enough would you run for President? who needs all the hassle and scrutiny

Just like we've known for years how crooked and callous and greedy the pharmaceutical companies are, Trump has known for years that the Democrat party, and many Republicans, are the same way.

Trump likes pharma $$$, but doesn't like Politicians and Government Bureaucrats committing crimes.

a reply to: ketsuko

Change your social habits and your conversations will also change. I often remark on how the moment I unplug from digital media and electronic interfaces, society is more quiet and peaceful. Nobody is really talking about Trump offline or even the mandates, freedom convoy or Ukraine. Almost like 9/10 of society isn't brave enough to engage until they are shielded behind internet anonymity. Maybe your community is more assertive than mine.

a reply to: ketsuko
We see extreme examples of this here every day, even by people who claim to have the MiddleInSite.

a reply to: TzarChasm

I don't stay super plugged in. I don't have time.

But there are a couple of blog pages with a stable of two or three bloggers, and reliably at least one of them has the bug I am talking about. The frustrating thing is that they offer interesting insights ... right up until they have to bring Trump into whatever they do.

That's why I brought this up because it feels different than the anti-Bush stuff although I was honestly a little surprised how long that went on after Obama was elected.

a reply to: underpass61



This has been happening on all sides for years. Purity purges.

a reply to: ketsuko

Mornin' Ket. You share my sentiment. People think I'm Pro Biden, Anti Trump.
You know what I am? Registered voter 1971.

We never go after the fact that today...now...tomorrow is life. I've watched Ford, Reagan Johnson, Carter, Eisenhower, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Obama, Kennedy, Richie Rich.

The greater issue isn't Hillary, Trump or Biden. It's that we are fixating on mistakes past...and that to a large extent is counter-productive....no one one will see bars

Let them go. Investing time, $$ and effort into wa-wa what you do to us ...is ignoring the now...we need to see thru all the people yelling...about these numb nuts...move on. As a country, people and ideal of how America should be now...going forward.

Sit thru all those admins...50+ years....one will see....we waste time...nothing happened...we need to move ahead, not yelling about who did what yesterday

Hold people accountable? Sure? Talk about it here? Of course. Di-course also necessary....should not dwell on Butt-Heads past (they are always there, always nothing happens.)

We are missing a greater all picture of how things are...and the better we put our efforts to change forward...we gotta let go of the everchangin names.

Same crap different admin, come n gone, no accounting. We've bigger fish to fry...why do we waste years and time of efforts ...on what someone did or didn't do 10 yrs ago?(example).

We'd be better served to look ahead. That's hard enough....

I think it has in part to do with 2024. HRC causes similar strong reactions and while she never was POTUS - 2024 also is part of the answer. As long as there is even the tiniest chance of them running or even winning emotions will keep running high in both camps.

a reply to: TzarChasm

That's probably because the same people who spent 4 years blaming Trump and his supporters for everything under the Sun and literally prayed for Biden to win, no longer want to discuss politics. They seem to have adopted a "I don't want to talk about it" attitude as a way to ignore what a complete disaster this administration is.

Funny that they have no problem saying how they're outraged over people being left in Afghanistan or the price of gas, taxes, unemployment or Covid restrictions.

I can, and have, shut them up with 4 little words... YOU voted for this.

Not a hard one to answer. Previous to being #45, he was a money hungry egomaniac who would pay for spots in commercials and movies. He ran a corporation that relied on shady backroom deals, was notorious for treating his staff poorly and constantly craved attention. He represented everything I hate about corporate America because he was corporate America. In addition to that, he exuded an almost desperate need for attention, constantly trying to reassert himself into the public eye and make himself relevant in any setting, from TV to tweets about behaviors to even politics.

Then....he became president, and people were (and did) completely ignore who he was and who we knew he was. A slimy corporate mogul. If I were a slimy corporate mogul who only craved power and attention, I would run for prez too. Not because it is the most powerful position in America, but because (not knowing how politics work) I THOUGHT it would make me the most powerful person in America.


He is smart though, gotta give credit where due. He is a powerful speaker, not intelligent, but powerful. That allowed him to convince half of the voting population that what he was saying was honest, spoke directly to the crowd and promised anything he thought they would eat up, regardless of whether he was capable or even being truthful of his intentions. Solely for the purpose of adoration and loyalty.

Now, all politicians lie and usually are fairly slick about it. He would lie blatantly and directly to your face about the dumbest things and then expect you to believe him. And folks did. Lie to me about how the Russian tensions are tearing us apart, lie to me about where the money is going and how my tax dollars are being spent. Don't insult my intelligence by telling me there are more people that are at your inauguration then there actually are. Don't lie to me in an effort to convince me that my neighbor is the enemy simply because he doesn't agree with my political standings.

He turned us against each other, spent a majority of his public speaking time talking about himself and HIS enemies, who now needed to be YOUR enemies, so he could be the one and only SAVIOR from these evils that he created. He saw an opportunity, just like any corporate mogul, and took it.

Now? Well, he ran under the radar previous to the election the same way all these rich buttholes do, pay them off or run them through the legal gauntlet until they give up. His desperate need to be powerful however is his downfall. He would still be doing what he was doing with no need to worry had he not been elected. His greed drove him into a spotlight he had never been in before, and all of those skeletons he had been jamming into a closet have started to spill out.

I mean come on, is anyone really surprised? He lied on his taxes to make more money and have the American public foot the bill? Paid off a porn star he had sex with? But all of a sudden became a model for truth and justice once elected? You think his desire to connect with people is what drove home to sign every single initial stimulus check personally? He amplified every POS thing a politician does, thrust into into the light like an idiot savant, and people worship the ground he walks on.

That little pathetic b!tch lit the fuse, so he could profit from the debris. Hope that sums it up a bit! NOW! Let's hear all the upset everTrumpers talk about the feelz! I love that, emo Trump suppoters talking about how much they HATE Biden, but talking about "don't hate Trump, that's just your feelz talking"

He doesn't care about you, never has. Whiny looser.b