15 monkeys implanted with Elon Musk’s Neuralink brain chips died, rest suffering ill effects

a reply to: AaarghZombies

What killed them?

The thread I made on this yesterday says.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Since they're monkeys, we probably won't really know unless there are obvious biological/physiological signs of infection.

How do you judge insanity in a monkey, for example?

Definitely check out the other thread on this...more info and better sourcing


Lawsuit and Federal Complaint Against Elon Musk-Funded Lab Over Deadly Monkey

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a reply to: putnam6

Any sort of invasive surgery carries risk and I was surprised by Neuralink's promotional output not mentioning the future risks if the procedures were successful and received approval. It is still VERY invasive surgery.

One of the biggest problems that was mentioned at the time was the degradation and rejection of such implants. The body usually destroys such implants in less than 72 hours and Neuralink seemed to be showing a far greater longevity for its probes, but I don't think they have solved the problem.

Additionally, I believe the equipment though implantable, still punctures the barrier at the meninges and presents an elevated infection risk there.

a reply to: ketsuko



exactly my point... we remain stuck in the less-than-elegant stage of science we were at in the Victorian Age which gave us Frankenstein nd death by electric chairs

if more research & discovery were prized above wars/destruction the AI & VR would be 50 years more advanced & primitive operations & testing would not be using lower animals or Dr Mengele mumbo-jumbo

it seems the butchering will continue for the next 100 years...we chose that path when Elon decided for us behind that dammed curtain even as he sought acclaim for devising a futuristic 'chip' for the Chimps

Make the madness stop.

a reply to: chr0naut

It may not be longevity so much as the body's difficulty in mounting immune response inside the brain.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: chr0naut

It may not be longevity so much as the body's difficulty in mounting immune response inside the brain.

Imagine that...

Found this in the article from the link provided by the OP.

“These highly invasive implants and their associated hardware, which are inserted in the brain after drilling holes in the animals’ skulls, have produced recurring infections in the animals, significantly compromising their health, as well as the integrity of the research.”

a reply to: putnam6

Thanks for posting the link to my thread. Since the mods don't seem interested in following their no duplicate thread rule, I will make it more convenient for everyone by bringing the information from my thread to here.

The link is to the website for the physicians group that is filing the lawsuit.
Physicians Group Files State Lawsuit and Federal Complaint Against UC Davis Regarding Deadly Monkey Experiments at Elon Musk-Funded Lab

The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, a research and advocacy organization with over 17,000 doctor members, filed a complaint with the United States Department of Agriculture on Thursday against the University of California, Davis, alleging deadly monkey experiments at an Elon Musk-funded lab.

During invasive brain experiments, Neuralink is accused of killing or causing extreme suffering to nearly two dozen monkeys. According to the committee, Neuralink paid UC Davis more than $1.4 million to conduct the research. PCRM claims that UC Davis and Neuralink staff failed to provide sufficient care to dying animals and utilized an unapproved drug in the tests, according to the lawsuit, which is based on hundreds of pages of "disturbing documents." The unapproved drug is said to have killed the macaque monkeys in the experiment by damaging parts of their brains.

The Physician Committee points out in its complaint that Neuralink and UC Davis staff failed to provide dying monkeys with adequate veterinary care, used an unapproved substance known as “Bioglue” that killed monkeys by destroying portions of their brains, and failed to provide for the psychological well-being of monkeys assigned to the experiment. Macaque monkeys used in the experiment were caged alone, had steel posts screwed to their skulls, suffered “facial trauma,” seizures following brain implants, and recurring infections at implant sites. In some cases, as a result of deteriorating health, Neuralink and UC Davis euthanized monkeys before they were even used in the planned experiment.

The university has refused to release photos and videos, claiming that the records belong to Neuralink, a private company not subject to California’s Public Records Act. The Physicians Committee argues that work conducted and materials created at public facilities are subject to the California Public Records Act and must be disclosed.

It's probably a safe bet that Grimes left him so that she wouldn't have to go through with her promise to get one of these implants.

a reply to: putnam6

Well and I though this chips were going to be ready for implantation on humans this year, no to worry I am sure it will be a mandate coming soon and protections from wrong doings.

Is all for the good of humanity and is all safe.

a reply to: andy06shake

Soo for what I gather in your post, please lets us know when you are going to donate your body for the experiment and please post an everyday journal of how great this implant are for the future of humanity.

What is even purpose of it? If it is used for disabled persons, why not find volunteer who actually need it.But,I wouldn't do that,as it can be used for worse.What if it is connected with mind control,to control person,not just help.Today is it monkey who suffer, but in future it could be human.

a reply to: Whoarewe

They've been looking at human/technology interface for a long time. No matter how fast they make computers, the human brains is still far more efficient.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Whoarewe

No matter how fast they make computers, the human brains is still far more efficient.

yeah about that, not so much with the 1 trillion voters in the last election .

a reply to: Whoarewe

Actually, the goal is that you would be able to connect to the web without a device, using your mind, yes this could have great medical potential, but the end goal is having every human connected.

It may happen in a near future, but no safe in our lifetime yet.

Seems like uneccesarry,implants are usually used for medical.Using them for internet and computer is just no.It tells me it is about control of people, even if they say now it is for interface of computer.With that, and verse idea, you got this:
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a reply to: marg6043

I take it you did not bother to gather much information then marg6043.

Maybe you should ask your dad to donate his body?

a reply to: marg6043

That would depend on ones age i imagine.

How do you know what will become safe or possible in the next 50-100 years given what's transpired and materialised over the last centaury from a scientific and technological perspective?

a reply to: Whoarewe

The idea is indeed to eventually implant the technology in a human brain.

Thats why Neuralink is being created in the first place, with the goal of enabling people with paralysis to directly use their neural activity to operate computers and other devices.

It could be used for control purpose, same as any other big stick.

We create tools and then we put them to task and purpose mate, that's what humans do in our endeavour to adapt and overcome obstacles in our path.