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originally posted by: Madviking
You do realize that studies have come out saying most masks don't have a statistically significant effect on Covid transmission don't you?
So your point is a non sequitur. Most of these policies have failed, therefore the continuing and draconian imposition of them is a move of power and tyranny.
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Terpene
If you pay the fine, it doesn't go on your record.
and, was it worth it?
You do realize that people have died from the disease.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Madviking
Let's try this again. 95% of "covid deaths" had 4 average comorbidities. Only 5% of them solely had Covid as a cause, meaning the numbers are extremely inflated or inaccurate at best.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Terpene
If you pay the fine, it doesn't go on your record.
and, was it worth it?
You do realize that people have died from the disease.
80,000 people died of the flu in 2018, why weren't you people pushing for vaccine and mask mandates then?
The CDC were pushing for mass flu vaccinations back then.
But according to the CDC, it was only 52,000 who died of flu that year, and that had been the worst flu season in 10 years. COVID-19 in 2021 had more than 10x those deaths. There's no comparison.
Disease Burden of Flu
So 5% of the 908,571 deaths attributed to COVID-19 in the US is 45,429 dead.
Covid has been manipulated for power and politics. Only the blind cannot see.
Only 5% of covid deaths solely due to covid: CDC
Comorbidities and other conditions
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). The number of deaths that mention one or more of the conditions indicated is shown for all deaths involving COVID-19 and by age groups. For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death.
And what exactly are they going to spend all that maskedness on?
Where's the regime change? Where's the economic collapse? Where's the cull?
You need to leave the basement and go outside.
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: chr0naut
Did you miss the part where I said mandates?
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: chr0naut
If the vaccine works then take it.
What does it matter if someone else doesn't want to take it as long as it works for you? Why do you feel the need to chime in on other people's business? If they don't take it and they get covid-19 that's their business not yours.
originally posted by: Madviking
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
a reply to: chr0naut
Yeah he should rot in jail, he probably killed a couple thousand because of his 2min visit in a bakery.
Already got your rotten tomatoes?
Law is law and he takes the consequences, what is your problem?
In one day? That's fairly rapid decomposition.
However, no matter how trivial you may naively think his actions were to him or his life, his actions have potentially deadly consequences. That is why responsible authorities are taking the stance with such seriousness.
906,727 people in the US have died, with their deaths attributed to this disease, already. In Switzerland, it is 12,824 people.
The masks do not work as claimed, unless wearing n95 or above, which most people are not. Nor are these required by law.
This was known in 2020, and before.
www.rcreader.com...
reason.com...
Secondly, the science and data show that only 5% of "covid deaths" were solely due to covid. The remaining 95% of people who were listed as covid deaths had an average of four comorbidities.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: chr0naut
If the vaccine works then take it.
I have. All three shots currently recommended.
What does it matter if someone else doesn't want to take it as long as it works for you? Why do you feel the need to chime in on other people's business? If they don't take it and they get covid-19 that's their business not yours.
Inoculations work against diseases as campaigns, and when multiple people develop an immune response that begins to suppress the number of 'open' hosts for a disease pathogen. It is all about the numbers of a population that turns the tide against an infectious disease. So a few 'hold-outs' have far more effect than just themselves and their own situation.
The screenshots from the WHO’s website are real. The first herd immunity definition is from the June 9 version of the COVID-19 serology Q&A page. The second definition is from the November 13 version of the same page. There has actually been a recent update to the webpage since these claims began circulating that made further changes, and that update is from December 31.
You can see that the June 9 version had a one-paragraph definition for herd immunity that said it is the “indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection.”
The Nov. 13 version, however, focused entirely on vaccination and said “'herd immunity’, also known as ‘population immunity’, is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached.”
The Dec. 31 version that is now displayed includes the definition from the June 9 version with further clarification that the WHO supports achieving herd immunity through vaccination rather than mass infections.
originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: chr0naut
But according to the CDC, it was only 52,000 who died of flu that year, and that had been the worst flu season in 10 years. COVID-19 in 2021 had more than 10x those deaths. There's no comparison.
Well that's a lie.
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: chr0naut
So what's your number? 80,000 people isn't enough dead bodies for you to push your agenda so how many is? Your logic is flawed. To hell with those 50k-80k dead people enough to fill a sizable city that's not enough. LMAO
Just admit it, it's about people like you wanting to control others, it's not about people dying. Why does someone else's medical decisions that don't affect you (because you have your vaccination) bother you so much?
Stay in your own lane and let adults make their own decisions.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: chr0naut
So what's your number? 80,000 people isn't enough dead bodies for you to push your agenda so how many is? Your logic is flawed. To hell with those 50k-80k dead people enough to fill a sizable city that's not enough. LMAO
Just admit it, it's about people like you wanting to control others, it's not about people dying. Why does someone else's medical decisions that don't affect you (because you have your vaccination) bother you so much?
Stay in your own lane and let adults make their own decisions.
WTF would anybody get out of the fact that you get forced to wear some PPE?
Honestly, think!
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: chr0naut
If the vaccine works then take it.
I have. All three shots currently recommended.
What does it matter if someone else doesn't want to take it as long as it works for you? Why do you feel the need to chime in on other people's business? If they don't take it and they get covid-19 that's their business not yours.
Inoculations work against diseases as campaigns, and when multiple people develop an immune response that begins to suppress the number of 'open' hosts for a disease pathogen. It is all about the numbers of a population that turns the tide against an infectious disease. So a few 'hold-outs' have far more effect than just themselves and their own situation.
originally posted by: Madviking
Your data is way off. Covid lethality rate is .5% or less, before the vaccination wave and natural immunity.
Secondly, that rate includes 95% of covid deaths which had 4 average comorbidities. If we remove those, the death rate falls drastically below .1%.
Why won't you address this data I provided you?
a reply to: chr0naut
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: chr0naut
If the vaccine works then take it.
I have. All three shots currently recommended.
What does it matter if someone else doesn't want to take it as long as it works for you? Why do you feel the need to chime in on other people's business? If they don't take it and they get covid-19 that's their business not yours.
Inoculations work against diseases as campaigns, and when multiple people develop an immune response that begins to suppress the number of 'open' hosts for a disease pathogen. It is all about the numbers of a population that turns the tide against an infectious disease. So a few 'hold-outs' have far more effect than just themselves and their own situation.
This is actually a good point because the disease will stick around and continue to mutate and side step the current vaccinations and continue to kill as opposed to being eradicated.
originally posted by: Madviking
The hallmark of one losing an argument is ad hominem attacks. Your last comments here were such.
I posted the CDC data. Please address my point. The covid narratives have often been inaccurate, and not matched the data. Many policies, from mask mandates to six foot distancing and school closures, absolutely were not based on the available science. Therefore, at best it's incompetence, but there is sufficient evidence for malfeasance.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Madviking
Let's try this again. 95% of "covid deaths" had 4 average comorbidities. Only 5% of them solely had Covid as a cause, meaning the numbers are extremely inflated or inaccurate at best.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Terpene
If you pay the fine, it doesn't go on your record.
and, was it worth it?
You do realize that people have died from the disease.
80,000 people died of the flu in 2018, why weren't you people pushing for vaccine and mask mandates then?
The CDC were pushing for mass flu vaccinations back then.
But according to the CDC, it was only 52,000 who died of flu that year, and that had been the worst flu season in 10 years. COVID-19 in 2021 had more than 10x those deaths. There's no comparison.
Disease Burden of Flu
So 5% of the 908,571 deaths attributed to COVID-19 in the US is 45,429 dead.
Covid has been manipulated for power and politics. Only the blind cannot see.
Only 5% of covid deaths solely due to covid: CDC
Comorbidities and other conditions
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). The number of deaths that mention one or more of the conditions indicated is shown for all deaths involving COVID-19 and by age groups. For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death.
And what exactly are they going to spend all that maskedness on?
Where's the regime change? Where's the economic collapse? Where's the cull?
You need to leave the basement and go outside.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky drew criticism on Sunday for her method of identifying COVID-19 deaths in the U.S., making a sudden distinction between those who died "from" the virus and those who died "with" it.
During an interview on CNN's "State of the Union," Walensky was asked about vaccinated Americans who have contracted the virus – and whether anyone has died from an infection, despite being inoculated. Walensky said the CDC is aware of 223 so-called "break-through" infections in vaccinated Americans, but clarified that many of those individuals died due to other causes.
"Not all of those 223 cases who had COVID actually died of COVID," she said. "They may have had mild disease but died, for example, of a heart attack."
But critics pounced on Walensky's reasoning.
"After all this time, we are going to start distinguishing died ‘with’ Covid from died 'from' Covid," one Twitter user wrote. "How anyone lives with the dishonest reporting of numbers is beyond me. Either we treat all the deaths with the same questioning or none of them, Period."
Another user wrote: 'So she literally just admitted that the covid death count isn’t a real count of covid deaths. The response to this pandemic gets more baffling by the day."
Others suggested that all COVID-19 deaths should be re-examined to determine whether the person died "from" the virus or "with" it.
After years of government lockdowns, restrictions, school closures and mandates controlling the lives of the American people, Centers for Disease Control Director Rochelle Walensky is finally admitting what we already knew to be true.
"The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75 percent, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities. So really, these were people who were unwell to begin with," Walensky told "Good Morning America" Friday.
At least four comorbidities.
In other words, generally healthy people are not at high risk of dying from the disease. We've known this since summer 2020, and yet, healthy people have been forced to quarantine and work remotely, or not at all, since the pandemic started.
CDC director says over 75% of covid deaths were people with “at least four comorbidities” and were “unwell to begin with”
pic.twitter.com/Oq6Oh2qk90
— Lucas Tomlinson (@LucasFoxNews) January 10, 2022
Further, during an interview with "Fox News Sunday," Walensky exposed the data on deaths from Wuhan coronavirus vs. with the disease is mixed together and therefore, completely contaminated. Regardless, the bad data has been used by government officials to justify shutting down schools, regulating private businesses and violating individual medical sovereignty with vaccine mandates.
Comorbidities and other conditions
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). The number of deaths that mention one or more of the conditions indicated is shown for all deaths involving COVID-19 and by age groups. For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death.
originally posted by: Madviking
If this was about science, you and these "public health officials" would be accounting for naturally acquired immunity. Until 2020, herd immunity was composed of the percentage that had either natural immunity or vaccination. They removed the former. Why?
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: chr0naut
If the vaccine works then take it.
I have. All three shots currently recommended.
What does it matter if someone else doesn't want to take it as long as it works for you? Why do you feel the need to chime in on other people's business? If they don't take it and they get covid-19 that's their business not yours.
Inoculations work against diseases as campaigns, and when multiple people develop an immune response that begins to suppress the number of 'open' hosts for a disease pathogen. It is all about the numbers of a population that turns the tide against an infectious disease. So a few 'hold-outs' have far more effect than just themselves and their own situation.
Can you explain why you aren't accounting for those with naturally acquired immunity?
WHO changes definition of herd immunity to exclude natural immunity in 2020
The screenshots from the WHO’s website are real. The first herd immunity definition is from the June 9 version of the COVID-19 serology Q&A page. The second definition is from the November 13 version of the same page. There has actually been a recent update to the webpage since these claims began circulating that made further changes, and that update is from December 31.
You can see that the June 9 version had a one-paragraph definition for herd immunity that said it is the “indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection.”
The Nov. 13 version, however, focused entirely on vaccination and said “'herd immunity’, also known as ‘population immunity’, is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached.”
The Dec. 31 version that is now displayed includes the definition from the June 9 version with further clarification that the WHO supports achieving herd immunity through vaccination rather than mass infections.
originally posted by: Madviking
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: chr0naut
So what's your number? 80,000 people isn't enough dead bodies for you to push your agenda so how many is? Your logic is flawed. To hell with those 50k-80k dead people enough to fill a sizable city that's not enough. LMAO
Just admit it, it's about people like you wanting to control others, it's not about people dying. Why does someone else's medical decisions that don't affect you (because you have your vaccination) bother you so much?
Stay in your own lane and let adults make their own decisions.
WTF would anybody get out of the fact that you get forced to wear some PPE?
Honestly, think!
Power, and control. Honestly, think!
There's no evidence it's necessary for kids in k-12, nor are the school lockdowns. Why are they pushing it there? No seriously, the school policies are actively harming children.
For young children, there is emergent evidence the masking may be retarding their cognitive development, including language acquisition and facial recognition.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: chr0naut
Did you miss the part where I said mandates?
No, I'm generally against mandates, too.
But there is so much BS and misinformation that some gullible people are extending a preventable health situation, denying it even exists, denying the most proven medicines, and denying that it could affect them, and those they love, with irreversible consequences.
Their civil disobedience has exactly the same effect as bioterrorism. I'm against that too. At least forcing people to wear a mask isn't going to kill people.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Madviking
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: chr0naut
So what's your number? 80,000 people isn't enough dead bodies for you to push your agenda so how many is? Your logic is flawed. To hell with those 50k-80k dead people enough to fill a sizable city that's not enough. LMAO
Just admit it, it's about people like you wanting to control others, it's not about people dying. Why does someone else's medical decisions that don't affect you (because you have your vaccination) bother you so much?
Stay in your own lane and let adults make their own decisions.
WTF would anybody get out of the fact that you get forced to wear some PPE?
Honestly, think!
Power, and control. Honestly, think!
There's no evidence it's necessary for kids in k-12, nor are the school lockdowns. Why are they pushing it there? No seriously, the school policies are actively harming children.
For young children, there is emergent evidence the masking may be retarding their cognitive development, including language acquisition and facial recognition.
Really? Like the way surgeons over the last 300 years have become so impaired? Please present the studies?
Results showed the early learning composite mean result dropped by a whopping 23 per cent, from a high of just under 100 in 2019, to around 80 in 2020, and finally 77 in 2021.
Meanwhile, the verbal development quotient also dropped dramatically, from an average of 100 in 2018 to just below 90 in 2020, and around 70 in 2021.
The non-verbal development quotient also experienced a similar dip, from a mean score of around 105 in 2019, to 100 in 2020 and around 80 in 2021.
The study concluded that 'children born during the pandemic have significantly reduced verbal, motor, and overall cognitive performance compared to children born pre-pandemic.'
'In addition,' the report adds, 'masks worn in public settings and in school or daycare settings may impact a range of early developing skills, such as attachment, facial processing, and socioemotional processing.'