Black Vault Originals : Retired CIA Officer John Ramirez on the Agency , Orbs and More

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

What could have been next?...soft x rays possibly. Nobody needs a tan on their liver. Just ask that guy from that rendalshim forest. oh wait he needs to be exposed to super radiation from a spaceship to fit his narrative. My bad.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Even though I knew that plasma cloak technology was on the drawing board for certain military applications...It was a revelation (from the Black Vault interview with John Ramirez) to me, that Russian military circles seem to be more heavily involved in aviation plasma cloak technology than our U.S. counterpart.

Which brings me to ascertain that Russia is more on the right track --- in relation to aviation stealth technology --- than the United States is.

a reply to: gortex

I've spoken to John personally and even have content on his site.


he seem very nice and did not ask for any info i didn't wish to share.


i HOPE someone in the government is watching this stuff because clearly something is going on.


even if it is just US secret aircraft the US wont hold the monopoly on said tech forever, or anymore.


these types of airborne systems need to be watched catalogued and figured out, it is a matter of national security

i think in the future sites like his and ours here in the future people will look at us believers and people who have had close encounters as the people fighting the dogma of the time.

the government knows this stuff is going on and the fact they don't say anything says to me 1. its there's or 2. they have NO idea what it is and are tracking and gathering info.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Erno86

How do you know anything plasma based at night has anything whatsoever to do with aliens besides the fact you simply want to believe with zero practical evidence other than "golly gee it moved real fast nothing can do that!". And dont get into foo fighters. Theyre a rudimentary version of the exact same phenomena based off the same science and just more cumbersome antiquated kit thats not alien based either.

"And don't get into foo fighters" --- Lol --- You must be joking...

a reply to: Erno86

foo fighter were more than likely a RF weapon used to short out bombers electrons and their turbines

or even high energy level rays converging and even wave matched to a small spot in space, it would create the so called foo fighters

originally posted by: noscopebacon
a reply to: Erno86

foo fighter were more than likely a RF weapon used to short out bombers electrons and their turbines

or even high energy level rays converging and even wave matched to a small spot in space, it would create the so called foo fighters

Errr............ Being honest and realistic foo fighters are nothing to do with humans. They are something else. Maybe alien, maybe from our Planet, another dimension, beneath our feet, from the volcanoes, from other dimensions, but they are without doubt nothing to do with us at all, unless they are our spirits

Having been 12" from a golf ball white type also maybe two feet from an angle grinder angel light radiant white type these entities are completely super natural and if I can link them to anything then it's to some religious books maybe certain moments in our Bible

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I think what you saw doesnt fit into the foo fighter category. As for bacon. He's closer to the truth with his theory of foo fighters. At least from ww2.

a reply to: Erno86

From an objective standpoint that video is worthless. With foo fighters. Consider this sometimes when a new technology is discovered folks come up with a totally different way to apply it. Foo fighters Fit in that category and they are not alien. They are very man made.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

i said foo fighters no orbs


they are two different thing.

that's like sayin an orange and a baseball are the same because they are round

originally posted by: noscopebacon
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

i said foo fighters no orbs


they are two different thing.

that's like sayin an orange and a baseball are the same because they are round

Not ghost orbs, we are talking standard UFO orbs here right?

I don't discriminate based on their colour. Yellow, red, amber orange, green, white type UFO orbs, they are all the same to me.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

well that's the rub

say you have 2 or 3 high power emitters all connected to a single computer.

you set their pulses to 'phase match' that is where all the radar waves line up at in a very small and controllable area.

depending on the power of said beams you the air has so much energy in such a small place the air will glow, think like the inside of a neon tube.

these beams can be used as decoys or distractions and even mess with aircraft and the people on them.


we can just see them due to the 'air glow'.



than we have the 'others'

i too have see in the middle of the woods in the middle of the night a basketball sized globe of orange fire/plasma.

i was in the middle of NO WHERE we had to walk in and use gps to get to the camp site, we picked the site because there was NOTHING around for a good 75-100 miles.

it was right over my head and i used to smoke at that time and i was walking the dog before turning in after the long night of getting there and setting up and a few beers and just enjoying nature.

i was in a tent(we all were) and at the time i had a dog who as big as he was happened to be a big baby and if he needed to go to the bath room he would paw at you so i took him before zipping us in for the night.

i told the others i was just taking the dog to go do his thing and we would be back in a few.

i found a path and the dog and i were just navigating the small trail, he was super protective as he was a rescue and all of a sudden he just sat down and wouldnt budge. He had one of those harnesses and i tugged on him a few times and he seemed set on being there o i lit a smoke and i looked up at the sky out of habit and less than a foot above me was that orange orb.

i have no idea how long it was there or why it was interested in us, i always carry a firearm with me camping and had a rather large protective pitbul with me so i was not to concerned and just kind of watched the swirling patterns of liquid fire

all of a sudden it very slowly moved off into the wood in a bobbing fashion and i lost sight of it.

no noise, no wind or heat just nothing but the orb.


the only other times i have seen them up close is when we lived in the country, my sister and i were playing in the neighbors cornfield(he didn't care) as we didn't hurt the corn.

when we were on the edge of the corn 1 red and 1 blue sized orb came rapidly tows my sister and i spun around us a few times and flew into the corn.

i have seen strange lights in my yard and other have seen them with me as well so i know I'm not crazy.

as far as i have experienced they seem curious about us and as far as i can tell didn't harm me or my sister in anyway.

but who know right.

i certainly wouldnt touch one or follow one i can tell you that.

so i think there are many forms of orbs, us tech, forest creatures?, some form of life we don't know about or something else.

we live in a strange world that for sure.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I think what you saw doesnt fit into the foo fighter category. As for bacon. He's closer to the truth with his theory of foo fighters. At least from ww2.

Totally respect your opinion and it might hold true.

At the same time I would add that the amber orange type that seems all the rage in this thread, indeed on this forum, is no different to the other colour types bar its ability to shape shift.
For all we know the other colour types might also have the ability to shape shift too. Just never seen that happen.

It's all theory but they are out there for sure any somewhere right now on Planet Earth someone is having a CE with them.

I'd love to learn their population statistics. Just how many UFO Orbs are resident on Planet Earth right now. If they are from up there it's anybody's guess. Below our feet too anybody's guess.

originally posted by: noscopebacon
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

than we have the 'others'

i too have see in the middle of the woods in the middle of the night a basketball sized globe of orange fire/plasma.

and just kind of watched the swirling patterns of liquid fire

all of a sudden it very slowly moved off into the wood in a bobbing fashion and i lost sight of it.

no noise, no wind or heat just nothing but the orb.

Totally awesome description

That swirling pattern you describe of liquid fire. Spot on. Quite amazing to see.

Not sure I'd want to get 12" away from one. Blimey. Don't get me wrong been that close to a golf ball white type also maybe two foot from an angle grinder white radiant angel type that morphed into a whiter than white almost like a nuke explosion in light yet still orb shaped. But so close to an amber orange type? Nope.

You're probably onto something regarding the many forms of orb. It all seems so reminiscent of Biblical stories. Angels, their subordinates, the Merkava spreading G-ds food Manna.

Ever since the CE's I've got quite religious and do pray every couple of hours. Shame it took the experiences to believe but I do now. I needed more than faith and got it from the encounters.

Know exactly where you're coming from on the smoking factor. Ex smoker too here and used to be pretty convinced the smokes attracted the orbs

originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: BASSPLYR

Even though I knew that plasma cloak technology was on the drawing board for certain military applications...It was a revelation (from the Black Vault interview with John Ramirez) to me, that Russian military circles seem to be more heavily involved in aviation plasma cloak technology than our U.S. counterpart.

Which brings me to ascertain that Russia is more on the right track --- in relation to aviation stealth technology --- than the United States is.

Plasma is not a cloak in the way you are thinking in this instance. Its been well known that plasma can absorb radar to a degree. Not completely, but to a degree. And only really useful in practice for long wavelength radar. Long wavelength radar was in vogue back in the day. Then they started using short wavelength radar. So you need fancy metamaterials, skins and other things to be good at stoping the short wavelength radar systems. And body shaping to thwart larger wavelengths. Plasma works best in the larger wavelength mitigation by absorbing some. But all it really does on its own is make the return a bit fuzzier. It wont make the aircraft invisible.

Yeah russias dabbled in it with their Ajax concept. But you'd be stupid to think the USA never dabbled in it or are somehow behind. I wont go into detail but I could give a few examples of where the USA excels in it. Here's the thing "plasma stealth" and its methodology has evolved into newer and better things that are far better and efficient and im not talking about fancy metamaterial skin (although that has a big place in stealth) nor funky body shaping. And in all three we are by far the kings baby.

In short you assume to much and your assumptions arent entirely your fault. You've got awful sources and even worse council.

In aviation russia is far far behind. And thats not hyperbole.

Again Ramirez hasn't said anything revelatory. In fact he's feeding you on purpose very outdated surface level information. If you want to know why go re read my above posts in this thread.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Erno86

From an objective standpoint that video is worthless. With foo fighters. Consider this sometimes when a new technology is discovered folks come up with a totally different way to apply it. Foo fighters Fit in that category and they are not alien. They are very man made.

I agree to disagree.

The purported foo fighter/foo fighters? I visibly witnessed seeing in 76, was/were definitely not of this Earth and acted in an intelligent, aerial manner.

Not only are plasma cloaked foo fighters possibly radar stealthy...they're plasma cloak will absorb sound waves that will probably negate any sonic booms; which is a result from the foo fighter traveling at ludicrous speeds in our atmosphere.

a reply to: Erno86

The foo fighters arent travelling in the manner you believe. Think of it this way where ever they are...there they are. Its not a linear acceleration that would cause sonic booms. Also, for someone who only understands "foo fighters" from the most obtuse standpoint, i find it kinda curious you can say not only what they are, their capabilities but astoundingly their origins. I do however, know what they are. Keep this in mind. They move guided by the hands of an intelligent mind. Can you think of any creatures on Earth that have intelligence besides visiting aliens?

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

check your PM's

during WWll Germany was working with extremally powerful klystron beams that converged via radar in hopes of messing with the aircraft and bring them down

if you google Klystron radiation even when un focused or 'wiggled' you can see the diffuse beam in the air because it is exciting the oxygen molecules(plus the radiation) so so its a nice dusky blue

a reply to: Erno86

you need a physical body to make a sonic boom

if the air just pass thru them why would there be a boom plus in WWll nothing other than 1 or 2 german jet fighters could get even close but not break the sound barrier

people before trains used to think the human body could not stand the speed of a train. just a fun fact

lets say they are just a form of plasma, what HARD edge is the air going to stack up on for the foo fighter to than punch thru(sonic booms)?

they are constructs of energy not sold craft

a reply to: noscopebacon

Foo fighter: There is a solid, nuts an bolts ET starship, located inside the magnetically contained plasma shield of a foo fighter.

Plasma spikes for the reduction of sonic boom and wave drag in supersonic flights are being developed

source:

nyuscholars.nyu.edu...

a reply to: Erno86

That info is about 20 years old. And, very common knowledge in the aviation forum. Also, the plasma you are citing doesn't completely eliminate sonic booms. there is much more to that trick that i wont go into. nor does it entirely eliminate drag. It just helps the same way a spike on the tip of an ICBM does to reduce some drag. The missile still experiences quite a bit of drag and heat. As do air craft that may or may not be using these things. Again you're treading into territory folks who frequent the aviation forum are well versed in. I recommend you jump into that forum here on ats and gets to reading post haste. Much you will learn my stubborn friend.

I know its your personal hypothesis you keep propounding that plasma balls have craft inside of them. But again, since you have zero proof nor expertise on this subject, im curious as to why you keep asserting something you have nothing other than unfounded presumptions about.