Black Vault Originals : Retired CIA Officer John Ramirez on the Agency , Orbs and More

John Greenewald is back following his and his family's brush with Covid and in this episode of "Inside the Black Vault" he talks to retired CIA officer John Ramirez about his 25 year career with the agency , his interest in the UFO topic and Unidentified Orbs and light domes.

The video is about 90 minutes long and well worth a watch for members interested in the subject , Mr Ramirez talks about Orbs that were spotted on military satellites using infrared imaging and their apparent interest in missile launches in Russia , his belief is that they are intelligently controlled, he also tells of an account he was told about by a fellow CIA officer who was on the USS Boston when it was off the coast of Vietnam when they had an incident where they "fought off a UFO".

A part of the interview I found particularly interesting was when Mr Ramirez recounts a story of when he sent a couple of his engineers to a working group looking into the Orb phenomenon who were , as part of the assignment , briefed on classified information about the history of the US governments dealing with the subject , Mr Ramirez says because of his interest in the subject he kept a Grey Alien doll on his monitor and when one of his engineers returned to the office following the assignment he nodded at the doll and told him "everything you think about that doll makes sense now" (from 36.00 on vid).

Mr Ramirez comes across as someone genuine with an interest in the subject , I believe what he says and so here is the video for those here interested .... this one's for you "ufoorbhunter"

His name... is John Ramirez.

A retired CIA officer, John spent 25 years with the agency specializing in ballistic missile defense systems and signals analysis of weapon system radars.

And along the way -- he's learned some stuff that he now feels he wants to share with the world.

But he is no whistleblower. The information he's about to share comes after a CIA review of the information he wants to convey - and they gave their approval that John can talk about it.

This doesn't mean the CIA endorses his information; but rather, simply it was reviewed by the CIA to ensure no classified information is given to you or I.

So what does he want to share that the CIA is ok with? Well, how about knowledge about a working group within the intelligence community studying orbs; or how about the reality that CIA personel within the agency talked about UFO related events; and so much mor

a reply to: gortex

his interest in the UFO topic and Unidentified Orbs and light domes.

But what's the difference between a UFO and an unidentified orb, or a light dome? Aren't orbs and light domes UFOs??

a reply to: Direne

The term UFO is usually referring to nuts and bolts craft , an object , but an Orb is is less structured and generally accepted as a ball of energy , not a physical object.

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: gortex

his interest in the UFO topic and Unidentified Orbs and light domes.

But what's the difference between a UFO and an unidentified orb, or a light dome? Aren't orbs and light domes UFOs??

Yes and no.

UFOs are typically associated with craft of some sort.

Orbs are sometimes associated with energy, close encounters, or other non-craft, ET related events.

My 2 cents is they are one in the same “orbs” are more-less a cloaked small craft IMO. Craft is probably the wrong word. More like a camouflaged small drone/vehicle/etc. that due to the lighting or the camera is somewhat visible.

Having now had my own “sighting” recently, I have gone from “believer” to full-blown certainty there’s more out there than we are aware of. I can’t be dissuaded from that stance - and I have a witness along with me.

Like the guys in the article say, it all now “makes sense”.

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an Orb is is less structured and generally accepted as a ball of energy , not a physical object

By that definition stars are not a physoical object either... as they just consists of a mass of gas held together by its own gravity...

Now, seriously: everything is a physical object. Stars, rainbows, plasma, dreams, swamp gas, stones, water drops... I'm sure the guy in the video meant "unstructured objects", but even then he need to define for us all when something becomes unstructured versus when something is structured.

He could have saved the day by simply using the word "UFO". I forgive him, though, provided he runs away before I'm done doing my nails...

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other non-craft, ET related events.

Which ones? I mean, which ET-related events could possibly be unrelated to physical objects?

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By that definition stars are not a physoical object either... as they just consists of a mass of gas held together by its own gravity...

No , Stars have an iron core which is surrounded by other elements like Hydrogen and Helium , they are very much physical things.

I think we are mixing terms here.
Physical objects would be anything existing in any form being gaseous, solid or otherwise. Everything that exists is a physical object in some form just on different size scales.

You have to understand how media uses terminology to influence the spectator. Our subconscious
mind functions via triggers. Specific words are a trigger. You could watch particular things and totally separate the stimulated neuron activity... but it ends up being an entirely different animal.

These sort of elemental utilities are prepared specifically for a particular demographic. That picks up where the last left off.

This is why music must be genre-specific or it simply has no place for the modern day human. Or a large part of the populous that adheres to carefully selected items within a paradigm cultured for the appropriate consumer.

We are simply someone's thought, but not of our own...
If you decide to separate from said thoughts and create your own... gone rogue...
You will be spat out of this civilization,
To desperately find anew,
Because we are all consuming
And being consumed,
That is nature's way,
And completely biological.

We all are the hanging intestines the hyena rips from the womb of our mother,
And, therefore, our fantasies are to one day commit the same treacherous and, yet, delightful act;

Nothing happens that hasn't infinitely happened,
And by this natural law it will continue,
For it is encoded in our very being,
That is our place within this infinite universe;
One cannot hide from the dark matter one resides...

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: gortex

an Orb is is less structured and generally accepted as a ball of energy , not a physical object

By that definition stars are not a physoical object either... as they just consists of a mass of gas held together by its own gravity...

Now, seriously: everything is a physical object. Stars, rainbows, plasma, dreams, swamp gas, stones, water drops... I'm sure the guy in the video meant "unstructured objects", but even then he need to define for us all when something becomes unstructured versus when something is structured.

He could have saved the day by simply using the word "UFO". I forgive him, though, provided he runs away before I'm done doing my nails...

It always amazes me why so much credence is given to these people. They ARE intelligence operatives,(Elizondo included), no matter what title they give themselves they are based in intelligence. Why isn't NASA dealing with the UFO subject if it's that important for the intelligent agencies to handle.
Or have you forgotten that NASA stands for. National Aeronautics and Space Administration. The emphasis on Aeronautics not just space.
Any time anyone comes out and speaks on the UFO subject and in their present or past they haver dealings with any intelligent agency, everyone and I mean everyone should have their sceptic hat on.

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I totally agree. That's what's must be understood by physical.

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You have to understand how media uses terminology to influence the spectator

Yes, indeed. Humans shape reality according to language, therefore changing terminology and messing around with language creates realities. Controlling language means controlling the narrative on which beief systems are based.

That's why I thought interesting to clarify all objects are physical and, hence, subject to the laws of physics. Structured or unstructured, glowing or not glowing, diffuse or solid, all objects obey those rules. Otherwise it would be impossible to even try to understand UFOs, forests, oceans, societies, or whatever is the subject under investigation.

Actually, one can transcend the limitations of his/her biology to perceive hidden sectors of reality. But what one cannot do is to understand things beyond the capabilities of his/her neural setup. Humans can only understand in human terms, much as frogs can understand reality only in frog terms.

a reply to: crayzeed

It always amazes me why so much credence is given to these people.

Take the information for what it is , I'm not saying you have to believe it but if you just dismiss it out of hand then you're throwing the baby away with the bath water.

Did you watch the interview ? , I guess not.

originally posted by: gortex


Did you watch the interview ? , I guess not.

Not yet but I'm saving it for later.

Thanks for posting it.

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No, you do not have to take the information as it is. It's who is giving you the information for a start and then be verified by someone else. But not another intelligence person.
You still don't get it. Intelligence people tell you what you want to hear laced with truths, half truths and lies. THAT is what they do.
The question still stands , WHY intelligence people?

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No, you do not have to take the information as it is.

I didn't say take it as it is I said take it for what it is.

I think you'll find I'm considered a skeptic on this forum but being a skeptic doesn't mean ignoring information because of the sources previous employment , yes John Ramirez worked for the CIA but his job was evaluating missile defense systems of America's rivals , his interest in UFOs is personal not professional , he is not a Mirage man nor a man in black and was not involved in the half truths and lies game of those in the disinformation game , as he says in the video his days were spent analysing spread sheets.

If you choose to ignore things because of preconceived notions of who or what someone is without listening to what is said then that's your choice but I prefer to listen to what is said before I come to a conclusion.

originally posted by: gortex
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If you choose to ignore things because of preconceived notions of who or what someone is without listening to what is said then that's your choice but I prefer to listen to what is said before I come to a conclusion.

Same here.
I don't know anything about this guy and I'm still undecided about what UFOs may or may not be.
Just interested in finding out what it is people report having seen.

As for the (possible) misinformation agents, I will sometimes see what they have to say because if they're trying too hard to lead you along a certain path it is a clue to avoiding that path.

Only problem I have with some of the videos posted here is that by the time I've caught up with some of the longer ones, any comments I may have will be redundant since the threads gone quiet.

a reply to: crayzeed

I was told NASA stood for ……Never A Straight Answer

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There’s sometimes debate on whether or not this was actually said……but even if it was not said, it doesn’t mean this is not the CIA’s real Modus Operandi

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Yeah right! Its almost as if the intelligence community has an agenda or narrative theyre actively promoting...

Ok unpopular opinion here. I listened to the entire interview. Its nearly worthless junk. The guy spent and hour and a half saying essentially nothing. He's adroit at it, but then again considering his prior employment, it should come as no surprise.

Tl;dr for those interested.

Spends the first thirty minutes establishing his credibility by talking about non sequitur or tangential stuff relating to his job. Then he goes into talking about orbs. Half of his statements on that subject had me going "no duh" but in the end he says nothing useful. Then he babbles about Bigalow. But says nothing really of any significance to add to the story there either. Then he says the wilson/davies memo was bullcrap. Which i agree with.

Thats it thats the whole interview.

A whole hour of him obfuscating with babble, throwing out acronym soup to establish credibility, and saying nothing really. Was this an interview? Was this actual journalism? Did the interviewer actually do any research and come prepared with a list of thought out questions to cultivate information? or was it just some guy letting another guy, likely with an agenda, babble for an hour and a half?

Sorry guys but im just not impressed. If this is the level of research the ufo community is doing than no wonder their amateurish surface level endeavors haven't gotten them anywhere or moved the needle one bit in decades. Just spinning their tires. Try harder guys. Try like you mean it. Like you actually want to find answers. Its just all so intellectually lazy. Sad really.