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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
Like what? Scream at people who refuse a mask and try to cancel people you don't agree with?
No ....me thinks it's because all the stuff we've said from the beginning is starting to come out as fact and YOU LOT are looking more and more like fools who drank the koolaid.....
You let your politics take over your common sense
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originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
The problem with what you're saying is that you're trusting Pfizer and Pfizer lied. All the science and understanding in the world doesn't matter if someone lies about the numbers.
originally posted by: nerd1978
a reply to: v1rtu0s0
Actually, I am trusting nobody. I work in a hospital, and I see it for myself - this is what is so frustrating. The unvaccinated are dying in front of me. The vaccinated are much less sick. I trust nobody - not the drug companies, nor the politicians, nor the people on the internet. I trust the patients that are dying.
originally posted by: BigfootNZ
originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
Like what? Scream at people who refuse a mask and try to cancel people you don't agree with?
No ....me thinks it's because all the stuff we've said from the beginning is starting to come out as fact and YOU LOT are looking more and more like fools who drank the koolaid.....
You let your politics take over your common sense
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Ive never screamed at a person for not wearing a mask... never called for a person or organization to be canceled either.
I think your lumping me into a convenient catch all group im not a part of, im first and foremost pro science, not anti choice (although I find people who willfully go against the science to be ignorant fools, but hey you want to be a fool go for it doesnt mean I have to like or accept you for it but ill keep that to my self as much as I can, usually).
What does politics have to do with science?, yes im a 'leftie' (although in NZ our left aint what you guys call left, hell your left is basically our right of center), and I vote 'green' but if any of them went anti science then id be just as critical of them as I am of anyone who does (and ive been critical of the left in my country when they occasionally skirt that line for what ever reason).
And trust me, none of what the anti vaxxers or those on their end of the argument here or else where say, has had any effect on my opinion or view of the situation, hell ill be fine going for my 2nd booster in a few weeks, my elderly parents will be getting theres sometime this week... maybe this one will do us all in, or wait, is it the 3rd or 4th thats supposed to be the kill shot? Or was that the 1st booster? I cant keep up with those goal posts scooting all over the place its like chasing a headless chicken.
Just as long as it aint before Feb 17th... TW:Warhammer 3 comes out then and i sure as hell want to get to play that a wee bit before the government pops my clogs.
originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
The problem with what you're saying is that you're trusting Pfizer and Pfizer lied. All the science and understanding in the world doesn't matter if someone lies about the numbers.
But it would matter given all the 'science and understanding in the world' would show they had been lying, so far as im aware there hasnt been a global up roar from the science community against Pfizer and its 'lies'... oh yeah thats right they are all payed off shills, convenient... hmm but convenient for who, Pfizer or the Conspiracy theorists?
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: fernalley
Both links are unreliable sources.
originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
Do you think you can reply to at least one post with out using the tired pejorative of "conspiracy theorist ?" What website are you posting on now? Did you come to call people conspiracy theorists here? Lol.
Actually it's a compliment, it means you aren't a sheep that gets spoof fed lamestream legacy media. Your precious networks like CNN are dying off from massive corruption. Do you think CNN is a good source for information and everything else is just "conspiracy theory?"
Pfizer has paid the largest criminal fine in history for paying off doctors and faking trial results. They do it all the time, its literally part of the business model. If they didn't do it this time it would be an exception to the rule. There are multiple whistle blowers converting thus as well and the BMJ did an investigation and verified it.
originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
You may want to switch it up and pretend to agree with 1 thing every now and then so it's not so obvious, because you're not fooling anyone.
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: InachMarbank
The fall season came right after the success of the mass vaccination campaign, so that tells us the vaccine made the disease worse.
That sounds great on paper, until you start looking at this from an epidemiological perspective.
For example, if what you were saying was true you would expect to see the worst effects being in the areas with the highest vaccination rates, and among the demographics with the highest levels of vaccination. Instead what we see is that rates are worst in areas with lower levels of vaccination and among demographics that aren't getting the booster.
If what you were saying was true we'd expect to see catastrophic levels among middle class white people over 65 in the suburbs. Not under 40s in areas of moderate population density, and inner city areas with African American populations.
You're also not taking into account Omicron, which is more infectious than the variants that were endemic last fall, or the fact that fewer people are taking precautions like social distancing or wearing masks.
Things such as colleges doing more in person classes, more sporting events being open, and entertainment venues using a higher percentage of their total capacity also need to be taken into account.
Modelling this pandemic is extremely complicated, you can't just look at the raw numbers in isolation.
What you're doing is essentially saying that automobiles are designed to kill people as a form of population control, based on more people dying on the roads now than in the 1950s. Without taking into account that there are more vehicles on the roads, and that the population is higher.
originally posted by: nerd1978
a reply to: v1rtu0s0
In the mean time, you can either risk natural selection, which is currently killing about 1.4% of the people it infects. A "98% chance of survival" doesn't sound bad. However, that means out of 1000 people, about 14 will die. Hundreds will get very sick and wish they hadn't. Many of them require hospitalizations. And many of those survivors will have long-term side effects. I have people who cannot work 15 months after getting a mild case of covid. Others have cardiovascular problems. It's much worse than the 90-99% survival rate lets on.
*actual deaths caused BY covid. Not just with it on board. Small hospitals have some more accountability in this area.
originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
originally posted by: nerd1978
a reply to: v1rtu0s0
Actually, I am trusting nobody. I work in a hospital, and I see it for myself - this is what is so frustrating. The unvaccinated are dying in front of me. The vaccinated are much less sick. I trust nobody - not the drug companies, nor the politicians, nor the people on the internet. I trust the patients that are dying.
I've seen the opposite myself. That's why anecdotes are no good.
Also there's a lot of shenanigans going on with hospitals right now and covid. I don't trust hospitals at all. They force people on vents and kill them with remdesivir and then offer ivernectin to only vaccinated people. That's what I've heard. Aaron Rodgers said they do the same with athletes in the NFL. Although omicron is basically a cold now, so it sounds pretty dramatic to pretend we are still dealing with alpha.
originally posted by: igloo
originally posted by: nerd1978
a reply to: v1rtu0s0
In the mean time, you can either risk natural selection, which is currently killing about 1.4% of the people it infects. A "98% chance of survival" doesn't sound bad. However, that means out of 1000 people, about 14 will die. Hundreds will get very sick and wish they hadn't. Many of them require hospitalizations. And many of those survivors will have long-term side effects. I have people who cannot work 15 months after getting a mild case of covid. Others have cardiovascular problems. It's much worse than the 90-99% survival rate lets on.
*actual deaths caused BY covid. Not just with it on board. Small hospitals have some more accountability in this area.
Does this 14 out of a 1000 include stats for the asymptomatic and those with mild cold like symptoms or is it out of hospitalizations/went to doctor and got tested?
Anytime there are flu or cold cases, the vast majority suffer it out at home with no connection to the medical system and if it's similar for covid, doesn't this stat change?
Look at the actual studies coming out of Israel and Ireland and Scotland right now
It's quite obvious that it's the opposite of what you say. You are MORE likely to get Omicron if you've been vaxxed. it's quite clear.
Now, according to confidential documents authored by Pfizer that it wanted to deperately keep secret, the company hasn’t just caused damage to the public purse, it appears it has also caused damage to the publics health.
This confirms in black and white that the general public have been taking part in possibly the largest experiment ever conducted, and it’s an expirement that has made a select few extremely rich.
Post Authorization Cases Evaluation (cumulative to 28 Feb 2021)
Total Number of Cases in the Reporting Period (N=42086)
No post-authorized AE reports have been identified as cases of VAED/VAERD, therefore, there is no observed data at this time. An expected rate of VAED is difficult to establish so a meaningful observed/expected analysis cannot be conducted at this point based on available data. The feasibility of conducting such an analysis will be re-evaluated on an ongoing basis as data on the virus grows and the vaccine safety data continues to accrue.
The search criteria utilised to identify potential cases of VAED for this report includes PTs indicating a lack of effect of the vaccine and PTs potentially indicative of severe or atypical COVID-19a.
Since the first temporary authorization for emergency supply under Regulation 174 in the UK (01 December 2020) and through 28 February 2021, 138 cases [0.33% of the total PM dataset], reporting 317 potentially relevant events were retrieved: Country of incidence: UK (71), US (25), Germany (14), France, Italy, Mexico, Spain, (4 each), Denmark (3); the remaining 9 cases originated from 9 different countries; Cases Seriousness: 138;
Seriousness criteria for the total 138 cases: Medically significant (71, of which 8 also serious for disability), Hospitalization required (non fatal/non-life threatening) (16, of which 1 also serious for disability), Life threatening (13, of which 7 were also serious for hospitalization), Death (38). Gender: Females (73), Males (57), Unknown (8); Age (n=132) ranged from 21 to 100 years (mean = 57.2 years, median = 59.5); Case outcome: fatal (38), resolved/resolving (26), not resolved (65), resolved with sequelae (1), unknown (8);
Of the 317 relevant events, the most frequently reported PTs (≥2%) were: Drug ineffective (135), Dyspnoea (53), Diarrhoea (30), COVID-19 pneumonia (23), Vomiting (20), Respiratory failure (8), and Seizure (7).
Conclusion: VAED may present as severe or unusual clinical manifestations of COVID-19. Overall, there were 37 subjects with suspected COVID-19 and 101 subjects with confirmed COVID-19 following one or both doses of the vaccine; 75 of the 101 cases were severe, resulting in hospitalisation, disability, life-threatening consequences or death. None of the 75 cases could be definitively considered as VAED/VAERD.
In this review of subjects with COVID-19 following vaccination, based on the current evidence, VAED/VAERD remains a theoretical risk for the vaccine. Surveillance will continue.
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: v1rtu0s0
Debunked in that this would have been clearly visible in any AIDS study made after the vax. AIDS patients are routinely monitored and would act as a canary in a coal mine for situations like this.
I'm not aware of any recorded fall in general immunity in any population in any country that can back this up.
It would be next to impossible to cover up as we'd see an instant uptick in low level infections becoming serious in multiple populations.
Unless someone can find cooberating evidence in other studies then the ops content is clearly fake.
originally posted by: network dude
when you see things like Biden issuing mandates, he knows are unconstitutional, but does them anyway, since by the time the courts can stop it, his goal would have already been achieved, it becomes easier to understand why this is happening. They will have made their millions by the time this is out in the world.