Fact Checkers Misinformation? CDC says C19 Vaxs Cant Transmissions Anymore.

a reply to: chr0naut

The vaccines boost your immune response

That is not what Bill Gates said about the reasons to get vaccinated. Boosting up ur for how long? 10 weeks? noicted how they never say in articles for how long it boosts your immune.

a reply to: ketsuko

People that got the booster a month prior to catching covid are questioning the efficacy. The question is how many will keep lining up for the boosters year after year.healthcare workers will have to and those that get the flu shot yearly will probably be getting the 2 booster doses yearly.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: vNex92

The vaccines boost your immune response. They cannot magically affect the virus outside of your body. Nor do they have instantaneous effect. So, you can both be infected, and can infect others before your immune system defeats the virus in your system.

Of the 618 of the cases hospitalized with COVID-19 Delta variant in New Zealand over the past year, only 49 have been fully vaccinated. In New Zealand, no fully vaccinated people have died from COVID-19. But NZ has a smaller total population and seems to be doing well against COVID-19 on the whole, so statistically, lets look at the country that is currently a less than stellar performance against COVID-19 and is populous - the USA:

Rates of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 hospitalizations by vaccination status

Rates of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

Clearly, the vaccines aren't perfect, but they aren't a failure by any means, either.

They don't boost your immune system. They force it to overproduce a spike protein for a virus that existed 2 years ago, weakening the thymus and depleting your CD8 natural killer cells like AIDS does, hence VAIDs. Europe has already warned that any further shots will cause the immune system to be "worn out."

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You just repeat s#1t you hear on CNN.


Stop.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: chr0naut

You can both catch and transmit the virus after receiving and developing a full immune response from the vaccine. Ergo, it really should not be called a vaccine.

But that is the same for EVERY vaccine ever created. You can't expect your immune system to kill the pathogen before it is in your system. Similarly, you can't expect your immune system to detect and respond to a pathogen instantaneously.

In the US, they don't usually even bother to try to hide it anymore and simply tell you that it mitigates your symptoms.

As per the topic of the thread, they have, and still are, saying far more than that. They are saying that the vaccines can help us defeat both the the spread and lethality of the virus. The mistake is to believe that it is instant. It takes time as more and more people become resistant to developing the serious symptoms caused by an out of control infections load. It also takes time until the number of undefended hosts reduce. Partial coverage of population is not as effective.

In the case of the 1918 'Spanish' flu, which killed an estimated 50 million people while it raged, it was over by 1920. Just 3 years, and that without a vaccine or particularly advanced medicine. It's case-fatality-ratio wasn't too far from untreated COVID-19, yet worldwide, with greater populations and enhanced travel, we have only seen 1/10th of the fatalities.

So while it may have some value, it certainly is not a proper vaccine like the ones we receive as children with occasional boosters on a many times yearly schedule as adults.

The vaccines you received as a child were the same. All vaccines have breakthrough infections and aren't perfectly effective. Most require multiple shots. Some, that you would have received as a child, are not even of the killed or inactivated pathogen types.

The smallpox vaccine is also 95% effective, the same as the Pfizer vaccine, yet it eliminated smallpox (in only 200 years of vaccinations). Smallpox Vaccine Basics - CDC

Polio vaccines require 4 shots. Polio Vaccination - CDC

Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Whooping Cough Vaccination: What Everyone Should Know - CDC. 5 to 6 shots for effectiveness. Note also that the diphtheria and tetanus vaccines aren't of the 'killed or inactivated' virus types, but are toxoid vaccines (should we therefore stop calling them vaccines?).

So, in essence, when people were young children, at the time when they were vaccinated, most of them were unaware of what had happened. So, probably, what most people now know of those vaccines is mostly what they have been told online (and probably by an anti-vaxxer source).

And no, the annual flu shot is not a booster but an entirely new shot every year given to provoke a response to entirely new strains of the flu.

Essentially correct. Flu Strains Explained, and How the Vaccine Works

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: chr0naut

You can both catch and transmit the virus after receiving and developing a full immune response from the vaccine. Ergo, it really should not be called a vaccine. In the US, they don't usually even bother to try to hide it anymore and simply tell you that it mitigates your symptoms.

So while it may have some value, it certainly is not a proper vaccine like the ones we receive as children with occasional boosters on a many times yearly schedule as adults.

And no, the annual flu shot is not a booster but an entirely new shot every year given to provoke a response to entirely new strains of the flu.

People get confused there are different types of vaccines however they all have one thing in common. Their main purpose is to get the immune system to attack the foreign substance, some vaccines like toxoid vaccines prevent the toxin from damaging by building up immunity for example tetanus.

Other types like Conjugate vaccines are used to prevent the virus from hiding using polysaccharides. Our immune system doesnt see polysaccharides as a threat but this type of vaccine turns it into antigens our body can fight. This is used to fight influenza for example.

Now Covid vaccines are Subunit vaccines meaning they contain only part of the virus so our immune system can identify it. The problem with this method is you will never get 100 percent protection anything over 50 percent is considered good. but at best they can prevent hospitalization and reduce the chances of catching the virus. Think flu shot you can still get the flu after a shot it simply helps you fight it off and reduce your chances of getting it.

Now it is most definitely a vaccine some people believe that naturally acquired immunity—immunity from having the disease itself—is better than the immunity provided by vaccines. However, natural infections can cause severe complications and be deadly. This is true even for diseases that many people consider mild, like chickenpox which for an adult can be deadly. Many adults will take the vaccine if their child gets it. It wont stop them from getting it ut it can lower the severity of the illness.

a reply to: dragonridr

And those last vaccines you mention are also not blanket mandated for everyone either for that reason. They situationally useful at best.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: chr0naut

The vaccines boost your immune response

That is not what Bill Gates said about the reasons to get vaccinated. Boosting up ur for how long? 10 weeks? noicted how they never say in articles for how long it boosts your immune.

Here's a hint.

They have only had the vaccines about a year. Do you think they know everything about the virus and its vaccines ahead of time, like that?

I'm sure you could be a famous concert grand piano player, if you only knew which buttons to press!



Also, Bill Gates retired from the limelight of the public some years ago. Could you post some supporting links about him saying anything specific about the vaccines? I'd be surprised if he made any comment at all.

Besides, he's just an investor. As far as I know, he doesn't have any scientific, or medical, credentials.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: chr0naut

You can both catch and transmit the virus after receiving and developing a full immune response from the vaccine. Ergo, it really should not be called a vaccine.

But that is the same for EVERY vaccine ever created. You can't expect your immune system to kill the pathogen before it is in your system. Similarly, you can't expect your immune system to detect and respond to a pathogen instantaneously.

It isn't the same for "EVERY" vaccine at all...
If that was the case I'm sure vaccine hesitancy would have been a bit more prevalent than it was before Covid-19.

Can you please point me in the direction of these other vaccines that are just like (as useless) as the covid-19 vaccine and have a ton of breakthrough cases?

I'm sure we would have all had something to say about government pushing useless vaccines on us before 2020 if this was true?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: chr0naut

As per the topic of the thread, they have, and still are, saying far more than that. They are saying that the vaccines can help us defeat both the the spread and lethality of the virus.

They can say all they want, reality is showing you right now if you open your eyes a bit that the "vaccines" are not defeating anything, other than the humans ability to critically think...
Lethality? Isn't it already not lethal?
Unless you're old and/or have commodities at which point the common cold is just as lethal?

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: vNex92

The vaccines boost your immune response. They cannot magically affect the virus outside of your body. Nor do they have instantaneous effect. So, you can both be infected, and can infect others before your immune system defeats the virus in your system.

Of the 618 of the cases hospitalized with COVID-19 Delta variant in New Zealand over the past year, only 49 have been fully vaccinated. In New Zealand, no fully vaccinated people have died from COVID-19. But NZ has a smaller total population and seems to be doing well against COVID-19 on the whole, so statistically, lets look at the country that is currently a less than stellar performance against COVID-19 and is populous - the USA:

Rates of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 hospitalizations by vaccination status

Rates of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

Clearly, the vaccines aren't perfect, but they aren't a failure by any means, either.

They don't boost your immune system. They force it to overproduce a spike protein for a virus that existed 2 years ago,

Your immune system does not produce the spike protein.

Other cells in your body, mostly in the area where the injection is given, produce the spike protein.

The mRNA in the injection has a short life, on the order of about 72 hours max at body temperature. After that, there is no further production of the spike protein from the vaccination, because there is no mRNA left to promote it.

The spike protein, in turn, promotes the immune response that creates antibodies to it. The spike protein itself gets destroyed by the immune process, once it is established.

weakening the thymus and depleting your CD8 natural killer cells like AIDS does

HIV is a retrovirus that specifically attacks the immune system. SARS-CoV-2 mainly attacks mucous and lung tissue, and not the immune cells, like HIV does. SARS-CoV-2 is also not retroviral.

, hence VAIDs.

VAIDS is an invention of anti-vaxers.

Europe has already warned that any further shots will cause the immune system to be "worn out."

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You just repeat s#1t you hear on CNN.

Stop.

Please provide links to and clinical research that specifically supports what you said about the thymus and CD8 killer cells being depleted by any of the different COVID-19 vaccines.

originally posted by: LocalGenius

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: chr0naut

You can both catch and transmit the virus after receiving and developing a full immune response from the vaccine. Ergo, it really should not be called a vaccine.

But that is the same for EVERY vaccine ever created. You can't expect your immune system to kill the pathogen before it is in your system. Similarly, you can't expect your immune system to detect and respond to a pathogen instantaneously.

It isn't the same for "EVERY" vaccine at all...
If that was the case I'm sure vaccine hesitancy would have been a bit more prevalent than it was before Covid-19.

Can you please point me in the direction of these other vaccines that are just like (as useless) as the covid-19 vaccine and have a ton of breakthrough cases?

I did. I pointed to CDC pages which usually mention the effectiveness of various vaccines. I made specific reference to the smallpox vaccine effectiveness.

I'm sure we would have all had something to say about government pushing useless vaccines on us before 2020 if this was true?

That is because the vaccines worked. Just as the current COVID-19 vaccines are working. Your denial of the truth of the numbers, and the insistence on emphasizing the few negative cases out of literally billions of vaccinations, doesn't change that.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: chr0naut

As per the topic of the thread, they have, and still are, saying far more than that. They are saying that the vaccines can help us defeat both the the spread and lethality of the virus.

They can say all they want, reality is showing you right now if you open your eyes a bit that the "vaccines" are not defeating anything, other than the humans ability to critically think...
Lethality? Isn't it already not lethal?
Unless you're old and/or have commodities at which point the common cold is just as lethal?

Across the world, weekly cases of COVID-19 have more than doubled from the pre-vaccine peaks, but weekly deaths have nearly halved since then. The vaccines are working.

COVID-19 Dashboard
by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)

a reply to: chr0naut

They've probably halved because they have got more strict with what a covid death actually is....

Lets not forget that they quite literally named heart attack deaths/car crash deaths/ran over by a bus deaths as covid-19 deaths.

Are you trying to tell me the Covid-19 "vaccine" is as affective for covid-19 as the smallpox vaccine is effective for smallpox?
Really?

a reply to: chr0naut

Bill Gates Comments About Vaccines

Mr Bill says the vaccines are missing 2 things, they don't stop you from catching the virus or spreading the virus. Now one of few people will be along to say they were never intended to stop you from catching the virus, only keep you our of the hospital.

Not fact checkers. These morons have been proven wrong over and over. They are simply leftist propaganda confirmationalists and will try to find any statement supporting their ideological position and sell it as fact.

If they were any modicum of honesty about facts vs propaganda, they would have zero time to nitpic socialmedia posts and be overwhelmed full time trying to deal with the media liars the likes of CNN and MSNBC. They have all been exposed as nothing but confirming their own bias as fact.

Hence the issue with media. Ever since the law was changed that they had to present both sides of an issue, to not having to let these media outlets to send pretty much nothing but propaganda on the people. They drive the division and racism of the left and the majority are fed completely up with the lies of media and politicians. The text of the law against using propaganda against the American people was altered which allowed the media disaster and complete loss of credibility.

They remind me of the homeless type with a sign the world is going to end walking around knocking on car windows trying to sell their utter BS. That is the perfect picture of the US media apparatus and the politicians.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: ketsuko
tell you that it mitigates your symptoms.

That was the story from day 1. Yes, Biden and a few other people said otherwise, but I don't listen to a president for health advice.

No. It was not. They told you it was 90%+ effective at preventing infection, and that was the data from the pharma company and Dr. SCIENCE.

That was 90% efficacy from lab studies, not effectiveness which is based on human trials or what's happening to the vaccinated public. The words they use are part of the deception. Let's not forget that early on they claimed that these percentages were "prevented from COVID infection" that later changed to "prevented from symptomatic COVID infection". Yet we are also told it only lowers the risk of serious symptoms, hospitalization and death, not actually prevent infection. So what is it really?

a reply to: chr0naut

Or the virus has done what viruses tend to do. It has mutated, and subsequent strains have gotten better at infecting and less deadly because what a virus wants to do is spread. Dead hosts aren't very good for that.

Remember when our fearless leaders told us that we could meet with friends and family during the holidays IF the people that we celebrated with were fully vaccinated?

It is all about that vax, getting it into as many arms as possible, as many times as possible.

No matter that it doesn't prevent transmission.

WHAT, DO YOU WANT TO KILL GRANDMA?

Why does Beijing China seem to be in semi panic mode as the Olympics gets close?

gettr.com...

originally posted by: LocalGenius


It isn't the same for "EVERY" vaccine at all...
If that was the case I'm sure vaccine hesitancy would have been a bit more prevalent than it was before Covid-19.

Can you please point me in the direction of these other vaccines that are just like (as useless) as the covid-19 vaccine and have a ton of breakthrough cases?

I'm sure we would have all had something to say about government pushing useless vaccines on us before 2020 if this was true?

edit on 31-1-2022 by LocalGenius because: (no reason given)

No vaccine induces sterilising immunity - it was well known the public didn't understand how vaccines work and had widespread false beliefs surrounding immunity recorded in medical journals back in the 1980s.

The UK MMR jab is a good example of how anti-vax hysteria in the UK MSM over unscientific vaccine-autism concerns caused once extinct disease to break out hundreds of times in areas where vaccination rates dipped below herd immunity and a huge ressurgence in avoidble Measles, Mumps and Rubella deaths and disabilities.

The UK is now no longer listed as a Measles, Mumps or Rubella free country as outbreaks have become common thanks to the anti-vax, anti-scientiic propaganda and common misconceptions.

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