What if “Disclosure” Isn’t About “Aliens”?

a reply to: Crowfoot

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When we can see third world conditions in ________ (insert country) then not enough is being done at "home"(one's country) to make it better. The U.S. excess means or used to mean immigration; in the tired, poor, and hungry. Misinterpreted or twisted in meaning it has meant let's give them all the people we don't want or deem as worthless, as first in line approved for immigration or being shipped out of here. When those "lemons" end up learning to make lemonade? Without fail those countries then want the ant once a grasshopper back to teach all the other grasshoppers how to "ant".

TLDR Oh wait what were we talking about?

originally posted by: crayzeed
There are only 2 main reasons that IF, I say if with big letters, if any governments has alien technology they will never reveal it till they have to. It has nothing to do with safety or aliens but for 2 thing alone, 1. can we weaponize it and 2. can we monetize it. In both those cases they have to keep it off the general population.
A good question to ponder, trying not to drift the thread, Who and why did the first ancient Egyptian come up with the idea to build such big structures like the pyramids. The theory is that they migrated through small tombs ie, mud brick, to stone mastabas to stepped pyramids (which really is mastaba stacked on mastaba) to full fledged pyramids. Getting bigger over time, but that does not explain the complexity of the great pyramid.

In never really understood the fascination with Egyptian pyramids, which seem only to be mega-tombs. You mention the mastabas, so it's just a progression to the pyramids in a culture unusually concerned with death and living after death. I think it's just that they went, what looks to us as over the top with their burial tombs. The pyramids, the extravagance of the decorations for example in the Valleys of the Kings and Queens. Every culture is different.

The pyramids clearly were tombs for the most distinguished people in Egypt who were elevated to a God like status in life and death. After use, clearly they were bricked up.

So what is the interest which so many people have there? And why do people try to link Egyptian pyramids with modern UFOs? I don't understand this, speaking for myself.

"What if disclosure wasn't about aliens?"

Sounds pretty alien.

a reply to: ats0001

They believed in two deaths and then eternal life based on how those "two" were lived based on the heart death and head death, the order of which one died first was the riddle or mystery that surrounded it.

Others have turned or twisted that belief into birth and resurrection stories and that's just what birth is when someone speaks thy name so it was typically sealed with a scarab carving so one could not evoke one's spirit to do their bidding as a slave in the afterlife as a resurrection.

Ignorant of what they are doing or not when believing a name has the power to bring something or someone forth into life and then control it's return is what many current religious philosophies are based on in and around the so called "trinity" where the invoker of the name is no other than the person trying to enslave or enfame it's return or claim it as their property not in recognition of their own; knowing they have lost their own face and relish anothers in order to try and save it... this is why the death mask was so important so one could point at it shine a mirror and "enlighten" them on who they hell they are vs. who they were claiming to be.

Orthodox and heterodox... if one has ever applied them "self" to a religion it is automatically heterodox... once they are out of it as a "self" then they can really see or experience the truth of that religion as orthodox... and not a moment sooner.

The attachment is obvious... some cling to it; as it was pre Christianity; tired of being persecuted by Christians of various sorts, some cling to it as Christians saying it is proof... meanwhile both Hetetoxdox and orthodox Egyptians would say what is Christianity? Having no tongue for it. Others attached in appreciation of the structures and culture; if not there to rob? Then those people deemed long past? Can teach you, if one's heart and mind is attuned to it, they already help being masters and conservators of "the dead" whether people are aware of it or not.

Heart and or mind not into it; don't bother the same goes with just about anything that can be seen as life and the pursuit of liberty from the shackles of death... happiness is the result since the pursuit is liberty or freedom from the shackles of others. The shackles of oneself is simply called karma/sin or whatever other concept that binds one to oneself as body within body. Not bound by one's own spirit then one is all over the place like the concept of "sand" and ignorant of it.

I'm sure however that a great amount of entertainment is arrived at; by all of those getting it wrong like a blooper reel... no different than all of those saying they were mightier than lions in boast and finding themselves in a pit face to face with them.

Well, Aliens if that's what people want as a reality make sure that's what the Egyptians want(ed) too otherwise you've declared war on all of those people ignorant of that or not one is still libal as being a cause for or of it... aka kamma and if they see it as "sin" then yeah expect a trial in their court not yours since aliens is one you have given them.

a reply to: LABTECH767

If the ET's want to verbally or visually communicate with our human civilizations on Earth, what would be the most likely type of verbal or visual communication wording or pictures that they would use?

Based on the meager evidence that I've collected about my run-ins with the alien dinosauroids. They use a visual (laser holography?) story based on a religious theme --- Because if someone is going to understand there communication language, they'll have to be educated on verses that is written in the Christian, Hebrew and Koranic bibles.

And that story is the Jonah And The Whale bible theme --- Because I think that the ETs' best chance of someone understanding the communication message that they send out; would be any average person on our planet that has gained the basic knowledge of the Holy Bible or the Koran bible.

I’m bumping a thread I started before I had my own encounter with a UFO, which I explained in the below post:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This bump is to note that, having had an experience, I was wrong.

To make sure I’m clear as I think this was lost when I originally started this thread, my point isn’t that all UFOs are man made, it was that it’s possible that you’d learn something about UFOs if you understood our cutting edge tech - and followed the earthly bread crumbs to find it. That human tech could lead you to our understanding of ET.

That was wrong.

Or at least, it didn’t lead me to finding UFOs.

Finding ET is deeply connected to consciousness, inner peace, overcoming your human/instinctual biases/reactions, and more - none of which is tech related.

Perhaps others will find ET/UFOs in a different way.

For me, it all starts from within.

a reply to: VulcanWerks

There's a very interesting read, I can't remember titel nore author, which brings forth some compelling arguments, as to the similarities between modern-day alien lore and ancient fairy lore.

Are they just a part of our subconscious, or are they individual conscious beings?

Could these beings appearances depend on the prefabricated concepts of the observer?

a reply to: Direne

Wouldn't be better to dispose of Mr. Vallee, and go directly to the original pristine source: Carl Jung? Yes, it would be better.

(evil grin) Wouldn't be better to walk straight past Mr. Jung and Mr Freud, and go directly to the original pristine source: The body's own (sub) consciousness? Yes, it would be better.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: VulcanWerks

There's a very interesting read, I can't remember titel nore author, which brings forth some compelling arguments, as to the similarities between modern-day alien lore and ancient fairy lore.

Are they just a part of our subconscious, or are they individual conscious beings?

Could these beings appearances depend on the prefabricated concepts of the observer?

Fair point.

What’s funny I always thought that “flying saucers” were kind of a joke - they were the fantasy/sci-fi explanation from war of the worlds.

Nope, I was wrong there, too - “flying saucers” are a thing.

If they are “subconscious” - which I think is wrong to say in that your conscious self lives above your earthly existing, thinking mind and body - then I can’t account for how either I or my wife projected our “imagination” onto the physical world that we both witnessed.

I suspect this is why Greer went the way he did. I’m not a “CE5” practitioner, but, I get where he’s going with that.

originally posted by: NobodySpecial268
a reply to: Direne

Wouldn't be better to dispose of Mr. Vallee, and go directly to the original pristine source: Carl Jung? Yes, it would be better.

(evil grin) Wouldn't be better to walk straight past Mr. Jung and Mr Freud, and go directly to the original pristine source: The body's own (sub) consciousness? Yes, it would be better.

I agree - but - I still contend we have the “sun-conscious” misplaced.

Where I think people have gone wrong over the years ia having a misconception of “sun-conscious” vs. “conscious”. Your thinking brain, reflexes, instincts, etc. are all “sub-conscious” functions. What I mean is, it’s all the stuff that your human body is programmed to so automatically - you don’t need to be consciously aware of making these things happen.

Your “consciousness” by contrast is what makes you, “you”. It is what gives meaning to everything inside a conscious driven universe.

Humanity has it wrong, at scale, because they’ve been led to believe that all of these things that happen in “the mind” are “sun-conscious”, when in reality the physical form of the body, what it does automatically, etc. are all subservient to the energy-based consciousness that inhabits humans.

If you flip it around that your body is just a vessel to carry your consciousness in the physical world, not the physical world being above what happens in the mind, your understanding of many things can grow significantly - which I suspect has something to do with the phenomenon and being allowed exposure to ET/UFOs.

a reply to: VulcanWerks

While have no idea what "sun-consciousness" is, in principal agree with what you say there. I would suggest that the autonomic consciousness is not completely unaccessable to the conscious mind. I would also suggest that along with the conscious mind, the body's processes, memories and knowledge is also a part our mind.

In a way, modern teachings about "higher selves" are sometimes a 'bait and switch' in some philosophies..

Twas why I suggested to walk straight past Jung and company. In a way I see them as Gate-Keepers for modern day man.

originally posted by: NobodySpecial268
a reply to: VulcanWerks

While have no idea what "sun-consciousness" is, in principal agree with what you say there. I would suggest that the autonomic consciousness is not completely unaccessable to the conscious mind. I would also suggest that along with the conscious mind, the body's processes, memories and knowledge is also a part our mind.

In a way, modern teachings about "higher selves" are sometimes a 'bait and switch' in some philosophies..

Twas why I suggested to walk straight past Jung and company. In a way I see them as Gate-Keepers for modern day man.

“Sun-conscious” is a typo. My bad.

a reply to: VulcanWerks

Hah, I should have seen that. So yeah, we are probably on the same page : )

The memories of the body can be accessed. Not so much consciously like an event, but if one knows that the memory exists one can sometimes use it.

It would be a more rational explanation, or less ludicrous an one that been brought up here from time to time, other then occasional sex crazed cult preaching salvation.It does explain some projects like Roswell actually being a balloon with a nuke, or black triangles being stealth fighter or bombers.

But….there are weird lights which is counter productive to the stealth department, while still being stealth surprisingly. Defying our idea superior logic an understanding, warping reality an such for whatever reason, while any humanoid or alien encounters just get even more warped, where most of the world religions would know more while trolling the # out of the humanity for thousands of years.

It could be aliens, or some type of futuristic civilization or life that probably came or started because of our dumbasses. And would probably more then likely kill to avoid futuristic revelations.

a reply to: VulcanWerks

Ok VW........................ Was watching a doc the other night on the British military doing nuke tests somewhere in the eastern seas. Holy smoke! The military / government literally took the best and fittest people in the UK who were doing their National 'Service' and told them to sit down in front of a nuclear test, then look the other way when detonation occurred
These poor young men were human guinea pigs

The British government even sent a Royal Navy ship straight past the fallout zone to assess the effects of radiation on the unknowing crew. Unbelievable but totally totally true!

So if my overlords / gangsters / government is prepared to sacrifice the military men in order to study the effects of weaponry, then what if some of those UFO ships in the sky that in my case at least, crop sprayed us with Manna / G-ds food, then what if this is exactly the same as in the 1950's? Using human beings as a disposable commodity to further the efforts of the MIC scientific experiments?

a reply to: VulcanWerks

Yes, I was about to ask if you ever were contacted by aliens and saw their craft. As a Contactee, you absolutely know that the craft is not man-made nor are the aliens from Earth, although some may appear humanlike they don't necessarily act humanlike. There is just a 'knowing' when it happens to you.

I also believe that it is connected to a form of consciousness of openness of spirit and intellect - putting out the welcoming mat so to speak and the freedom to pull that mat away if desired. Respect works both ways as I have demanded to be shown and was shown.

As for remote viewers, this mode of contact could prove to be the way to consciously connect with other cosmic life forms. Do your research and make sure you understand who or what you will be dealing with because some may not want to be bothered by an ant mentality. Stick to those aliens that are on our plane or just one step above, why disappoint yourself or have an unpleasant experience?

As for disclosure, most leaders and people who have experienced strange happenings in the sky or wherever won't understand what they witnessed, so why yell it from the rooftops just to face stigmatization. However, Contactees have already disclosed all that they can and we all know how that turned out.

Perhaps some craft are advanced military craft or weapons, but don't wait for any disclosure on that. And their supposed cutting edge tech still won't come close to what a staunch UFO researcher once told me, is anti-gravity manipulation.

But again we have no proof about anything and what proof Contactees relay by their experiences are poo pooed.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: VulcanWerks

Ok VW........................ Was watching a doc the other night on the British military doing nuke tests somewhere in the eastern seas. Holy smoke! The military / government literally took the best and fittest people in the UK who were doing their National 'Service' and told them to sit down in front of a nuclear test, then look the other way when detonation occurred

These poor young men were human guinea pigs

The British government even sent a Royal Navy ship straight past the fallout zone to assess the effects of radiation on the unknowing crew. Unbelievable but totally totally true!

So if my overlords / gangsters / government is prepared to sacrifice the military men in order to study the effects of weaponry, then what if some of those UFO ships in the sky that in my case at least, crop sprayed us with Manna / G-ds food, then what if this is exactly the same as in the 1950's? Using human beings as a disposable commodity to further the efforts of the MIC scientific experiments?

ET or not, some form of what your describing is almost certainly happening to a not small number of people - in one way or another - around the world right now.

“Craft” could absolutely be the government.

But, that’s a little different than what I’m talking about.

a reply to: quintessentone

I can’t speak to remote viewing, but, I can say you’re right that the craft gave me no sense at all it was “ours”. It was definitely “them”.

To clarify that, it was as though we are somehow the same but very different - and not concerning at all.

As for disclosure, very good point made about not saying what it is when you don’t really know - or are afraid to tell us.

I’m wondering if the government hit the same wall I have… wtf is it? Or they? How?

Or, we’ve met them, know them, and there’s a whole separate human existence in terms of most everything you can think of that’s wildly beyond where we are in “modern society”.

If they’re stuck like me, there’s nothing to disclose.

If they’re the latter, then “disclosure” is exactly what should happen.

I guess they are are probably stuck like me.

Now I’ll have to think on the question - if the above about consciousness and the welcome mat is true, then why are these craft exposing themselves to US military vessels and aircraft? What’s the message there?

We don’t fire on them, so, maybe we learned something.

nice thread!

at least we might find out how the pyramids were built!

a reply to: VulcanWerks

Well I believe we did fire on them but they were too fast in dodging it.

Yes, they must be stuck about something, why else come to us for help?